Auto-SummaryThis post argues against the notion that moderators at a community forum are acting out of negative intentions when accused of wrongdoing. The author contends that these accusations are often unfounded and clouded by assumptions, resulting in a distorted understanding of reality. They emphasize that true spirituality and growth require facing and transcending such delusions, and that this process ultimately leads to higher states of awareness and well-being. The author also defends Swami, a figure mentioned in the thread, as an enlightened guru whose intentions, while not perfect, have positively impacted many others through his selfless service. They urge readers to consider the potential benefits of Swami's presence in fostering spiritual growth, rather than dismissing him based on personal biases.
This started off as a reply in another thread, but it quickly became... something more. So, to break my absence (which will continue afterwards  ), here's my thread.  (I love you guys!    )
Oh, and I haven't read through it at all, or checked any of it, this is all just streamlined thoughts, so if anyone notices any noticeable ( ) flaws that alter the meaning that appears to be meant, hinted by context, let me know so I can change it... one little word changes everything... 
Now, first off, I don't have a lot of time (Ed Note: I certainly made time ), so I will not be able to express myself as intended, in as great of detail as I feel necessary to clarify my points in this... nevertheless, I feel compelled to post.
I find it amazing that the same people who will define for us who Swami is and what it is that he does, and that what he does is wrong and is harmful to this community, will themselves conduct themselves in a manner that actually serves as a fine example of the exact same behaviour they proclaim Swami demonstrates.
I find this ironic, because another aspect of this ongoing ordeal that has spanned weeks, forums, topics, and bannings is the discussion of the distintion between one's comments, and other's reactions to those comments. We wonder if, whether or not the poster who made the comment in question is responsible for the reaction of the next poster who reads their comments. Does their intention even matter? How easy is it to determine another's intentions behind posting? Once again, does their intention even matter, as long as the comment itself stands objectively, free of any hidden intention, and can be interpreted in any given way by the next poster who reads that comment?
The ability to determine someone else's intentions certainly is not an easy skill to be proficient at, and over a medium that severely limits one's capability to express subtle, nonspoken meanings, without the ability to observe another, it is next to impossible. One variable that is not taken into consideration will completely disable another's ability to really understand the intended message and meaning.
When someone proclaims that another poster has negative intentions for posting, when someone feels that they have a complete enough understanding to define another poster, down to the inner workings of their own mind, their motivations, etc. etc. etc., I cast an extreme shadow of doubt on their proclamation. I know that someone in one perspective is entirely limited by their perspective when taking in new information. If there aren't enough of the right variables that are understood and taken into consideration when trying to know an aspect of reality, reality as it naturally stands will not be reflected by that understanding, by that perspective.
In fact, a person can only know what they know, and more often than not, instead of a perspective reflecting reality as it stands, as it naturally is, they instead project onto reality. Instead of observing reality, in the eyes of a passive observer whose awareness exists previous to any sense of identity, thought, or preconceived notion of what is, their preconceived notion of what is is projected over reality.
Of course, this creates an insane seperation from that person's perceived reality, and true, naturally unfolding, purely observable reality. This is the supreme source of ignorance and misunderstanding, which almost inevitability results in intolerance, misapplied force, etc.
Thus, it is when I find a person making accusations regarding another, involving things that are near completely impossible to know, and not only that, but also that the same people making those accusations are themselves doing the exact same things they are accusing others of doing (and, of course, labeling those actions of the other as wrong), that I feel the need to disregard their perception of the actions and intentions of the original poster called into question, as their perspective is too clouded and obstructs reality too much. I do not stare at a wall that is painted black in order to see my face's reflection, I stare at a clean, smooth mirror that has proper lighting supporting it.
Wiccan_Seeker said:
Indeed. that statement you just made is BS.
You haven't been reading have you? What a lot of anger, all this whipped-up and emotion stoning people for your self-invented sense of Justice will make the Master of Intellectual Debate very proud.
Wipe the foam from your mouth and read.
This is not at all about one Mod who's beliefs were challenged, it was stated over and over again and again and again I repeat my words against the same BS.
Read.
You are, in your own words, an active participant in this community for a pretty short time. Argue about lurking till you are blue in the face: that is not participating. And not even 200 posts to your name.
And here I see a post full of aggression, foaming at the mouth with anger against the volunteers who run and OWN this place rambling about things that were done away with ten times over in this thread alone.
Is this the quality of your contribution to this site?
Where is the respect when you come barging in and while your coat's still cold accuse the Administry of BS?
When one assumes that another is acting out of negative intentions, as they do not have an understanding of deeper, more advanced, higher intentions that definitely could be at play, their understanding no longer reflects reality. An assumption that cannot be made, but is made anyways, is a supreme obstruction of that person's understanding. Their entire perspective on any matter related to their assumption is not based in reality. They already assume they know reality, and instead of passively observing reality through unclouded awareness and understanding, they project their definition of reality over reality itself. As their projection is not based in reality, and their projection Only exists in their own mind, they are, therefore, delusional.
Someone who is delusional is seperated from reality and the pure experience of reality. Their understanding and their insight in matters relevant to their delusion is poisoned and is unsupported illusion. Spirituality itself is a pathway away from this.
Someone who is delusional has to be shown that they are delusional. The problem has to be directly faced. As the person with the delusion is not reflecting reality, as they have a false sense of understanding, it is incredibly likely that they have no idea that they are delusional. The longer the faulty assumption, the delusion, is not faced and transcended, the longer that person does not reflect reality. As their mind does not exist in reality, they subsequently suffer. Spirituality itself is a pathway away from suffering.
The purpose of our minds and our ability to think, all stemming from a transcendant fact that we are all conscious and aware, is to know, understand and be aware of reality, as it is. Having a properly functioning, sound, reality-reflecting mind is of the upmost importance. The sooner glitches in our minds and our logic and thinking are resolved and healed, the sooner we can continue living in higher states of awareness (spirituality itself, as one might suspect, is a pathway to higher states of awareness, being, and existance).
Not only this, but, as I touched upon, delusion (seperation from reality as it exists) creates suffering, which, of course, relates to pain, harm, and cuts against the grain of life itself. Spirituality itself is a pathway to the proliferation of the quality of life, and suffering is something that spirituality moves away from. Facing the source of the delusion, assumptions not supported by reality and illusory projections onto reality is a very difficult, painful thing to do - sometimes, to even be made aware of the problem is incredibly hurtful for the individual experiencing it.
However, from the longview, to make someone aware of the delusion is the only viable option, as pillars of spirituality involve quality and the proliferation of the experience of life, and of life itself, and a movement away from suffering and into higher states of being and awareness. The sooner the problem is addressed, the sooner the oppurtunity for the healing of the problem arrives, which means the sooner the potential for living as a vibrantly cosmic, aware human being is there for everyone to utilize.
And, as we are all aware of, there is another variable in this equation: the other poster, the reader of the comments. It is only their own choice - to react out of emotion, out of the very delusion that is plauging them, to attack and confront the person making the comment..... or to humbly exist in a state of observation and understanding that radiates with reality, taking the blessed oppurtuntity to learn and to grow, to heal, and to become human.
You say that Swami is an egotistical, immature dickhead that loves to soak in attention, loves to push buttons for no other reason than to incite a response, that he is an intelligent loser with nothing better to do than to live to spite others and spread diseased cynicism.
I say that Swami is an Enlightened guru who has been on this Earth longer than a fair share of the rest of us, and that he has the intelligence and the perceptiveness, as well as the experience to not only learn valuable lessons relating to life and spirituality, but also to utilize those lessons by selflessly serving others, helping them grow, heal, and be human beings.
Now, I am not the only one who holds my contention, as you are not the only one who holds yours. Even if Swami is exactly the person that you say he is, there is a great handful of people that have gotten what I say Swami definitely could be, and they have truly grown as spiritual individuals because of that. It doesn't not matter what his intentions are - the only thing that matters is how we, ourselves, get from his being there. To deny others the oppurtunity for others to experience great spiritual and human growth because you personally get anything good from Swami is very hurtful to others.
From what I understand, Spirituality and Philosophy wants to be Spirituality and Philosophy, without obstruction, and we could certainly benefit from having our Buddha.
 
Peace.
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For I've never known completeness
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)personal, spiritual growth. Even if I certainly did have negative, self-serving intentions behind my statement, these readers would not assume that I had negative intentions, although they certainly should be aware of the possibillity that I had negative intentions, and also then investigate further to discover how likely I actually do have negative intentions. No matter what, they should always be able to observe from a neutral, objective perspective of reality as it is experienced and known. 
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