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    #3477548 - 12/10/04 06:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Was the Big Bang the beginning or a beginning?


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Re: Big Bang [Re: spudamore]
    #3477617 - 12/10/04 07:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Who knows? Maybe the universe was taking a cosmic shit?  :confused:


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Re: Big Bang [Re: ld50negative1]
    #3477640 - 12/10/04 07:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It could be THE beginning as well as one of MILLIONS of beginnings happening at the same time or happening one after the other.
I don't like thinking about that though, its too far out from our reason to be able to grasp any of it, so its useless thinking, IMO.


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Re: Big Bang [Re: exclusive58]
    #3477650 - 12/10/04 07:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Big Bang [Re: spudamore]
    #3477802 - 12/10/04 07:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

seems reasonable to think it was just 'a' beginning. that eventually everything would be sucked back into a gravitational center and create another big bang.


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Re: Big Bang [Re: fresh313]
    #3477815 - 12/10/04 07:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

so something would have to exsist before the big bang in order to create an explosion?


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Re: Big Bang [Re: fresh313]
    #3477845 - 12/10/04 07:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It seems more likely that over hundreds of trillions of years, the universe will continue expanding at a faster and faster rate, all matter will decay, stars will form black holes, sucking all the decayed matter into them, and finally even the black holes will decay, leaving absolutely nothing in the universe

I think the Big Bang is a time of unification of quantum physics and general relativity- that is, like quantum physics, it was just a probability that the "universe" came into existence, and it did so in an infinite number of other universes, but each slightly different- all parallel universes, but say, if gravity was stronger in another universe, it may not be able to support life as the earth might be sucked into the sun, and there may not even be a sun. So it is a probability that we live in the only universe we can live in, and our universe, formed by the Big Bang was just one of many googleplexes of universes in this vast multiverse


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Re: Big Bang [Re: Ravus]
    #3477863 - 12/10/04 07:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

then if so how can something be created out of nothing?


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Re: Big Bang [Re: spudamore]
    #3477918 - 12/10/04 07:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

your right spud, for the big bang to happen it would need matter to send flying into space. so yes there would have to 'be' something before the big bang to create the matter. the big bang theory doesn't explain the creation of the matter.


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Re: Big Bang [Re: spudamore]
    #3478002 - 12/10/04 08:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

This is a common misperception, that occurs from general relativity. In our world, yes, nothing can be created or destroyed, only changed, but by reports, the Big Bang may have been smaller than an electron, subjecting it to the laws of Quantum Physics, in which case particles flit in and out of existence. They actually only have a probability of existing until they are directly observed, but then when they're directly observed you cannot see where they're going, only that they exist as a particle. Only when they are a wave can you see where they're going, but then they may not exist. A bit of a catch 22 eh?

On the quantum level, many weird things happen that would take books to explain, but among them, rips in the space-time fabric, particles having only a probability of existence until they are viewed, in which case the viewing changes them, and things seemingly being created out of nothing. Who knows, perhaps the quantum level, the things that are created out of nothing are just coming from parallel universes, but the explanation to it will be odder than the fact itself

It is said that during that Big Bang's expansion, space and time expanded with it. That is, there was no space or time around the Big Bang, only inside it. Impossible to comprehend, though this, ironically, made the biggest explosion of our universe completely silent, many scientists think

There are other odd facts about it if you wanted to go into it. For example, many also believe that there were a billion parts antimatter to a billion and one parts matter approximately, so during the first stages of the Big Bang, in under a second only 1/1000000000th of the universe remained


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Re: Big Bang [Re: spudamore]
    #3478420 - 12/10/04 09:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

"The Big Bang" is not "The Beginning", and was actually never really MEANT to be.

The Big Bang theory describes the EARLIEST moments of the Universe in its current form. It does not lay any claim to what existed "before" time zero, but is instead supposed to explain how a Universe as large as ours came from what apparently was a single point of energy.


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Re: Big Bang [Re: trendal]
    #3478440 - 12/10/04 09:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Calling it the Big Bang was inaccurate...if the universe were collapsed to a singularity it would have existed in no space at all...so what would have transmitted the sound?


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Re: Big Bang [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3478482 - 12/10/04 09:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

the big bang was A beginning. it was like an exhalation, which is inevitbaly followed by an inhalation (drawing in) before another exhalation (spreading out)

as above so below.


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Re: Big Bang [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3478501 - 12/10/04 09:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The second law of thermodynamics seems to refute this if you take it at face value. Entropy.


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Re: Big Bang [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3478513 - 12/10/04 09:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Oh yeah...I forgot...If Albert Einstein were here I think he would agree with me.


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Re: Big Bang [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3478518 - 12/10/04 09:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:lol:

That really is a good cop-out phrase, eh?


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Re: Big Bang [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3478521 - 12/10/04 09:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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the big bang was A beginning. it was like an exhalation, which is inevitbaly followed by an inhalation (drawing in) before another exhalation (spreading out)

as above so below.



This implies that the universe will collapse upon itself. This runs contrary to the current scientific consenus that the universe is constantly expanding.


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Re: Big Bang [Re: silversoul7]
    #3478554 - 12/10/04 09:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

...the end could be with lots of little cold rocks and low level xrays instead of a glorious explosion. Who said that there ever was anything before the big bang? The universe is finite. On that particular point I know Einstein would agree with me.


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Re: Big Bang [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3478598 - 12/10/04 10:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Who ever said that the universe was all there was? There is much much more than the universe, some scientists who study quantum physics think. The universe is like an atom in the universe, ironically enough, if some of their theories are true

Our theories always expand, from the earth to the solar system to the universe, soon I predict it will be an established fact of not only a universe, but a multiverse of trillions of universes

The end, assuming that the universe is going to keep increasing the rate at which it's expanding, which it is doing currently, is a lot more bleak than cold rock and x rays. In the end everything will die out, and perhaps the universe will be just as it was before the Big Bang- no space or time or matter or energy, with no terms or comprehension to describe its void


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Re: Big Bang [Re: Ravus]
    #3478609 - 12/10/04 10:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

hmm can you have an INFINITELY LONG exhalation followed by an INFINITELY LONG inhalation?


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