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reasons need to be given when a person gets banned
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how are people supposed to stop doing whatever it is that gets em banned in the first place if they don't know why they were even banned to begin with  :what:





punishment without explaination reeks of gestapo tactics if you ask me  :tongue:


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Mystical_Craven]
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Who has been banned without an explanation?


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Mystical_Craven]
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not that I myself have been banned unfairly recently, or anything else like that...just a little trend I've noticed





I just think it would be nice if people actually were aware of what exactly they did wrong to warrent retrobution...that's all  :geordinod:


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Anno]
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Muppet


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Anno]
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Every user that is banned gets an email with the reason for the ban, and the ban duration. What else can we do, Muppet?


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Anno]
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Quote:
Anno said:
Every user that is banned gets an email with the reason for the ban, and the ban duration. What else can we do, Muppet?


BZZZZZZZZ. Wrongo Anno.

I was banned and received no e-mail. (and before you ask.... the e-mail addy is correct)


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

Edited by luvdemshrooms (12/01/04 03:00 PM)

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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Can I test ban you for 1 minute and you go check your email and tell me if you got one?
Perhaps there is a problem with the email notification.


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Anno]
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Do you not get the ban message when you try to log in as a banned user?  With older versions of the software, the ban message would display upon attempted login, even if you entered an incorrect password... I know 'cause I used to use the 'feature' to see why people were getting banned before I was an admin.  :grin:


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Seuss]
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No ban message in 6.5 on login, no....
Just that you are banned, and the ban duration.
We could modify it to show the ban message though.


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Anno]
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that would be nice....

the one time i was banned (inappropriatly) i had no idea what the hell had happened.


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.

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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I banned a test username and the email messge containing the ban reason IS BEING sent out.


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Anno]
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Maybe it IS BEING, yet I was banned and received no notification.

Do the records not show a ban? If it's shown is there a record of an e-mail notification? It was a mod ban if that helps.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I swear to GOD I wrote you a nice explination letter Luvdem. With... like... quotes 'n stuff. You gotta' believe me man, you just gotta'!

Edit: I just looked back, it doesn't seem to show any record of the message I typed (We are asked to type one), but since then, there are better records being kept. I know, I at least explained the reason, and linked to the offending thread. Sorry I can't resend what I wrote... I thought you got it... ah well... water under the bridge... for me at least.


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Edited by Rose (12/01/04 09:02 PM)

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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Rose]
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Right. I can imagine how it went......

Nah nah nyah nyah na..... I'm a mod and even though you're right.... I'm gonna ban you anyway just to shut you up. So there poopy head!


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Rose]
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Right. I can imagine how it went......

Nah nah nyah nyah na..... I'm a mod and even though you're right.... I'm gonna ban you anyway just to shut you up. So there poopy head!

Water under the bridge? It always was but as mods go.... you suck.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Yeah, it was flaming like that, which lost you 24 hours of Shroomey time :frown:... poor guy. Telling someone they suck (Other than Mr. You_Suck himself) in PA&L is a banable offense. Especially when you have been repeatedly warned and it is election season. Telling a Mod they suck, in a forum which bans flamers, is playing with fire.

Yeah it is cheap, but it is the standard of the forum (Ask Pinky... I see who he bans, and why he makes his bans. I simply follow his lead.) Also, it felt pretty good to send you away for a day... You were my first... you popped my cherry!

Sorry, I didn't think you wanted to talk about your ban, so out of respect, I never said anything in public until this thread. I was only trying to protect your reputation.

This conversation sounds familiar. Didn't we have it before, like the day I banned you? http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3251335/page//fpart/all/vc/1

But like I said, what's done is done... water under the bridge... for me at least. Sorry you didn't get the e-mail. I hope this post makes up for it.

p.s. Nice double post.


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Rose]
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Sure it was. Sure.

But that's OK. You sucked then, you suck still.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Some poeple just don't get it....
You earned yourself a 3 day ban.


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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And you are a slow learner...

Thank God I have a thick hide... and the rules of PA&L are more strict than my feelings.

Anyway, a word to the wise, you shouldn't keep doing the thing that got you banned. That always ends badly.


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Rose]
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I don't understnad how someone can get banned for speaking thier opinions. Anno was not very cool the other day when I was trying to figure something out for a fellow shroomerite. I said he/she ( sorry don't know if you are male or female) was mean and I didn't get banned. I guess telling someone they are mean is different than saying they suck. I don't think Anno sucks and I have been warned that Anno can be short at times and maybe I took it wrong but thats the kinda guy I am. Oh well I am not banned and am glad I'm not !!!


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: JettaJay]
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>Anno was not very cool the other day when I was trying to figure something out for a
>fellow shroomerite.

Just for the sake of objectivity, here is the link, where "Anno was not very cool":
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3431799


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: JettaJay]
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Hahaha, yeah, the thing is (in luvdem's case at least), the original offense took place in the Politics forum. That forum is FOR ARGUING. There are strict rules in place to prevent personal attacks, so the ARGUMENTS can stay on topic, and people can express their opinion without fear of being personally attacted. Simply, if personal attacks were allowed in PA&L fewer people would share their opinions.

In other forums, the flaming rules are more lenient (but still strictly enforced). Most mods, of other forums, look the other way when someone says they "Suck".

This case is a little different.

Here's a copy of Rono's PA&L rules:

1) NO FLAMING ...if you can't state your case or refute someone elses case without calling them "stupid" or an "idiot"..etc...Then don't bother posting here. This forum is for intelligent debate, not to try to belittle someone that doesn't think like you. THIS WILL BE STRICTLY ENFORCED ... If you have been warned already, you will receive a temporary ban, if you continue to flame you will be banned permanently...choose your words wisely or suffer the consequences.

2) Although not always possible, when quoting a source please provide a link.

That's it.
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Rono states examples of flames, his examples: "stupid" or "idiot"..etc... I believe, in THAT forum, "Suck" fits in somewhere between "stupid" and "idiot"... therefore I deem saying someone "Sucks," in PA&L to be Flaming. After a warning, it is banable offense. Actually, I gave luvdem more warnings than he was entitled to.

I hope you understand, this has nothing to do with my personal feelings. I understand why some people may consider it strict... but Rono says in the Rules in BOLD: "THIS WILL BE STRICTLY ENFORCED". To be a Mod, I must follow and enforce the rules of the forums I moderate, even if the Rules are strict.


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Rose]
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Cervantes said:
Hahaha, yeah, the thing is (in luvdem's case at least), the original offense took place in the Politics forum. That forum is FOR ARGUING. There are strict rules in place to prevent personal attacks, so the ARGUMENTS can stay on topic, and people can express their opinion without fear of being personally attacted. Simply, if personal attacks were allowed in PA&L fewer people would share their opinions.

In other forums, the flaming rules are more lenient (but still strictly enforced). Most mods, of other forums, look the other way when someone says they "Suck".

This case is a little different.

Here's a copy of Rono's PA&L rules:

1) NO FLAMING ...if you can't state your case or refute someone elses case without calling them "stupid" or an "idiot"..etc...Then don't bother posting here. This forum is for intelligent debate, not to try to belittle someone that doesn't think like you. THIS WILL BE STRICTLY ENFORCED ... If you have been warned already, you will receive a temporary ban, if you continue to flame you will be banned permanently...choose your words wisely or suffer the consequences.

2) Although not always possible, when quoting a source please provide a link.

That's it.
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Rono states examples of flames, his examples: "stupid" or "idiot"..etc... I believe, in THAT forum, "Suck" fits in somewhere between "stupid" and "idiot"... therefore I deem saying someone "Sucks," in PA&L to be Flaming. After a warning, it is banable offense. Actually, I gave luvdem more warnings than he was entitled to.

I hope you understand, this has nothing to do with my personal feelings. I understand why some people may consider it strict... but Rono says in the Rules in BOLD: "THIS WILL BE STRICTLY ENFORCED". To be a Mod, I must follow and enforce the rules of the forums I moderate, even if the Rules are strict.



Agreed

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Bring the smack down !!! j/k


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: JettaJay]
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Oh, and just so you know... Anno's a teddy bear. It cracks me up how many people think he is being mean (I did when I first read some of his posts). I swear, if you ever heard Anno talk, you'd hear his good nature in every word he types! And Anno is a guy. He's not Anna. :smile: He is from the land of AHHHNOLD. He talks like a Hippie Terminator.

Hope that clears things up.

:tongue:


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Rose]
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Am I correct to understand that Luvdem got banned for saying that you suck as a moderator? What if Luvdem had said, "Cervantes, old chap, I dearly love you but I must sadly report that, for reasons previously exposed in this same thread, you are really not up to the task of a proper moderator, in this forum or any other?" Would he have been banned then? Isn't saying that you "suck as a moderator" the same thing, though without the honorifics. He was, in point of fact stating his case. His case was that you suck as a mod. (I make no assertion as to my own opinion}. Is it forbidden to criticize a mod, or to use the word suck. He said you suck as a mod, he believes it, judging by the thread you linked he has a reasonable argument. This is not a flame boys. He didn't just scream "YOU SUCK." He said you suck as a mod. I'm sorry, you are wrong here


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Rose]
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I like Anno because I tend to develop crushes on authority figures.

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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: zappaisgod]
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>am I correct to understand that Luvdem got banned for saying that you suck as a moderator?

No, you are not.

>Is it forbidden to criticize a mod, or to use the word suck.

Neither is forbidden per se.
It depends on who, when, whom, how frequently, and with what previous ban history uses it.

>I'm sorry, you are wrong here

You are free to have your opinion on things.


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
Right. I can imagine how it went......

Nah nah nyah nyah na..... I'm a mod and even though you're right.... I'm gonna ban you anyway just to shut you up. So there poopy head!

Water under the bridge? It always was but as mods go.... you suck.


Sure looks like it to me. He just left out the "as a mod" part in the next post, figuring it was understood. You guys are wrong.


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: zappaisgod]
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You are free to say I suck as a mod in Trip Tips, the other forum I moderate, although... if you kept it up for too long, I'd eventually get around to showing you exactly how much I suck.

Luvdem said I suck in PA&L (a forum with strict rules, especially in Oct of a year divisible by 4), and I warned him. He continued to post OFF TOPIC posts after several repeated warnings until I was left with no choice but to ban him... to allow the "Go out and vote" thread to get back on topic. If you look at the thread, it WAS able to continue for quite some time once it returned to its topic of discussion. Also, I made no refrence to his ban in the thread to prevent further off-topic drama.

I stand by the ban, and the second ban for Luvdem's continued ignorance of the rules that banned him the first time.

Trust me, Luvdem knows the rules well enough to cry foul when other people break them.

Conclision; don't fuck with people that have the ban button, by continued breaking of the Forum rules, unless you are willing to suffer the consequences. And don't break the same rule again, after you have been banned once before, unless you are willing to suffer even harsher consequences..

What are the consequences exactly? Well, you get to visit all the websites on the Internet but this one until your ban is lifted.

Not very harsh really, in the grand scheme of things.


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Rose]
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I can't argue that the original ban was not justified on the basis of his thread derailment (although there seemed to be two involved in that). But this one is just wrong. The title of this forum is Shroomery feedback and administration. Wouldn't this be the appropriate place to express your opinion that someone might suck as a mod? And isn't that all he did. Or is the lesson he failed to learn that you don't tweak the "man". You have become what you hated. "Don't fuck with people who have the ban button," indeed.
"Not very harsh?" Sure, but wrong nonetheless. Surely your not trying to justify unfair punishment by pointing out that the punishment isn't very bad.

This is like shooting fish in a barrel.


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: zappaisgod]
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I was not the one that banned him today, nor did I ask for his banishment. And I don't care too much about my personal suckage. I have no more authority than you do in this forum. A moderator of THIS forum, or an Admin, saw what luvdem said, and acted accordingly. Hell, I actually replied to luvdem before I knew he was banned. The first post I made after Anno said he was banned, was written during the BAN itself. I didn't know about luvdem's banishment until I finished posting my reply to luv's last post. Then I saw Anno had posted before me, and discovered that luvdem had been banned.

Hope that clears things up.


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Rose]
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I realise who banned him.  You're the one who kept responding though.  I hope Anno reads this. :peace:


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: zappaisgod]
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Zap, let me reconstruct what I can, I imagine Anno's sleeping right now.

I was simply responding to let Luv know what he had missed, when he did not receive his E-mail, which I did write.

He obviously wished he had that information, and since no record remained of the banning itself, I was the ONLY person who could provide Luvdem with the information surrounding his banning.

When I did convey this information to luvdem, in this thread, I did not go into specifics. Specifics were intentionally withheld so luvdem wouldn't be publicly humiliated for a ban which he had already served. That is when Luvdem started saying I "Suck" in this forum.

Obviously, Luvdem remembered the word that got him in trouble (SUCK), but didn't know why he was banned (I figure, since he was still saying I SUCK), I went into specifics, to show him that, yes, "Suck" was the word that got him in trouble. I even provided the link, in the interest of full disclosure :smirk:. This was the FIRST TIME, I had ever said ANYTHING SPECIFIC about the event in PUBLIC. Only after Luvdem repeated his offense, did I go into specifics. Until then, I really was concerned with keeping his ban private, or between him and me. After his actions today. Fuck it! It seems he wants full disclosure. I'll talk about everything surrounding his ban, while he isn't here to remind me of my personal suck rating.

After I went into specifics with Luvdem, in this thread, he said I suck a second time, in a double post (actually, he only said "SUCK" in one of those posts... must've been an afterthought). I wrote my reply (which you can scroll up and read) after Anno had already reported luv's banishment.

p.s. I keep replying to you, does that mean I suck?

:smile:

I hope, my Cliff's note's version of the events you can READ FOR YOURSELF IN THIS THREAD, help you in understanding the situation, the order of events, and the logic behind the decisions that I, and others made, and continue to stand by. Besides, explaining my Mod-Logic for a banning keeps this thread on topic.

I can not speak specifically about the logic behind Luv's banning today (Perhaps Anno will later), but it obviously happened because he continued to publicly break the rule that banned him. Flaming mods in public is not smart. I didn't create the rule, and today, I didn't need to enforce it.


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Edited by Rose (12/02/04 07:54 PM)

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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: MOTH]
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EllemyshShade said:
I like Anno because I tend to develop crushes on authority figures.


Haha, same here!  :wink:

I got banned on thanksgiving. I assumed I was banned for post whoring in the pub which I don't believe I was doing. I'm not mad about it though.
I WAS NOT sent an email explaining why I was banned. A very friendly mod explained to me the reason only after I was allowed back.
If a message was sent..I did not recieve one.

BTW, Anno...are you single? :smirk:


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
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I don't know if he's single, but he has an accent. :heartpump:


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Rose]
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:loveeyes:


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The secret to being funny is to say smart things stupidly, or is it stupid things smartly? Whatever..it's not rocket surgery...or something like that.

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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
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He is also a man of few words... just like Ahhnold.

Yeah, Anno's the Shroominator.


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Rose]
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:thumbup:


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Anno]
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Anno said:
Some poeple just don't get it....
You earned yourself a 3 day ban.


redicklous.


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tiny_rabid_birds said:
"your avatar is dirty."

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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Maybe it IS BEING, yet I was banned and received no notification.

Overzealous spam filter?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Anno]
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Anno said:
>Anno was not very cool the other day when I was trying to figure something out for a
>fellow shroomerite.

Just for the sake of objectivity, here is the link, where "Anno was not very cool":
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3431799


Since Anno was not trying to be a dick I am making a public appology. Sorry Dude, Must be my overactive imagination or maybe I just smoke to damn much and that makes me touchy. At any rate I am sorry Dude.


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Mystical_Craven]
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OK...there has been an issue with the email notification which made it possible that under certain circumstances the ban notification email hasn't automatically been sent out.

This issue has been fixed today, and in addition to this now every user that is banned is displayed the ban reason and the ban duration(where applicable) when he tries to log in.


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Rose]
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Cervantes said:
Zap, let me reconstruct what I can, I imagine Anno's sleeping right now.

I was simply responding to let Luv know what he had missed, when he did not receive his E-mail, which I did write.

He obviously wished he had that information, and since no record remained of the banning itself, I was the ONLY person who could provide Luvdem with the information surrounding his banning.

When I did convey this information to luvdem, in this thread, I did not go into specifics. Specifics were intentionally withheld so luvdem wouldn't be publicly humiliated for a ban which he had already served. That is when Luvdem started saying I "Suck" in this forum.

Obviously, Luvdem remembered the word that got him in trouble (SUCK), but didn't know why he was banned (I figure, since he was still saying I SUCK), I went into specifics, to show him that, yes, "Suck" was the word that got him in trouble. I even provided the link, in the interest of full disclosure :smirk:. This was the FIRST TIME, I had ever said ANYTHING SPECIFIC about the event in PUBLIC. Only after Luvdem repeated his offense, did I go into specifics. Until then, I really was concerned with keeping his ban private, or between him and me. After his actions today. Fuck it! It seems he wants full disclosure. I'll talk about everything surrounding his ban, while he isn't here to remind me of my personal suck rating.

After I went into specifics with Luvdem, in this thread, he said I suck a second time, in a double post (actually, he only said "SUCK" in one of those posts... must've been an afterthought). I wrote my reply (which you can scroll up and read) after Anno had already reported luv's banishment.

p.s. I keep replying to you, does that mean I suck?

:smile:

I hope, my Cliff's note's version of the events you can READ FOR YOURSELF IN THIS THREAD, help you in understanding the situation, the order of events, and the logic behind the decisions that I, and others made, and continue to stand by. Besides, explaining my Mod-Logic for a banning keeps this thread on topic.

I can not speak specifically about the logic behind Luv's banning today (Perhaps Anno will later), but it obviously happened because he continued to publicly break the rule that banned him. Flaming mods in public is not smart. I didn't create the rule, and today, I didn't need to enforce it.


I read the thread before I started commenting on anything.  In fact, when I saw it I remembered it.  He said you suck as a mod  He didn't say you suck as a person or a lover or a writer or child molesting priest.  You might be a perfectly adequate child molesting priest.  Neither here nor there.  Banning him for continuing to derail a thread is, well, OK, I guess, but you were a participant in that as well.  But this is ridiculous.  And Anno is ridiculous as well.  Now I know why you guys don't give reasons.  It's because your reasons SUCK.  Thanks for your time. :3stooges:


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3 stooges doesn't work. :smirk:

Anyway, like I said before, Rono's rules clearly state you can't call someone an "Idiot" or "Stupid"... and as I understand it, in the context it was used, "Suck" is a flame, in the same league as "Stupid" or "Idiot".

Sorry, but saying I suck as a mod is still a personal attack.

It'd be like me saying YOU suck as a Shroomerite.

or...

Like me saying ANNO sucks at cultivation.

Those are personal attacks... ridiculous, yes, but personal. Also, it is not true, I rule as a mod... therefore I simply can't suck. :smile:

Let me explain it another way. Luvdem said I suck. If he had said one of my acts of moderation had sucked, that would be fine. Indstead he attacked ME as a moderator. There is a BIG difference... and THAT is why his attack was personal. I still have NO clue why Luvdem thought I sucked as a moderator. He was too busy ATTACKING ME to explain. In BOTH cases, Luvdem was given a chance to explain, or back out and change his tone of voice, but he chose to continue playing offense instead. Understand? Good.

Luvdem said I suck as a mod, in part, because all he knows about me is my political stance, my user name, and that I am a mod. My political stance, is the ONLY thing he is allowed to argue in PA&L. There are other forums in this Website where Luvdem could argue about my username, or Modship... but not PA&L, where those actions are deemed OFF TOPIC and PERSONAL attacks.

Now, if he wishes to keep saying I suck, after his banning has been THOROUGHLY explained, in THIS thread, he is BLATANTLY, AND DISRESPECTFULLY IGNORING THE RULE THAT GOT HIM BANNED IN THE FIRST PLACE... IN PUBLIC. That set an example which Shroomery Mods and Admins will never stand for. Public acts of disrespect towards mods and administrators are FROWNED upon in this forum. Repeated attacks, after warnings, explination and bannishment... is playing Russian Roulette.

I can't help it if Luvdem chooses to make most of his posts in forums with STRICT, No Flaming policies. I know he is aware of the rules. It seems, he only breaks the rules to tell me how much I personally suck.

No, it doesn't really hurt my feelings and yes, I personally think the whole situation's pretty funny. But what Luvdem did sets an AWEFUL example for the community. He had to be banned. When a VETERAN member of our community, BLATANTLY breaks the rules to FLAME A MOD without ANY EXPLINATION (or hint of humor EMOTICONS PEOPLE! :smile: EMOTICONS!)... something must be done, or ALL VETERAN USERS will feel they have the right to act the same as Luvdem. Luvdem's flames send a message to the community. Luvdem's bannishment is The Shroomery's reply to Luvdem's message.

I think the community's health is more valuable than Luvdem's right to bizarrely tell me how much I suck, every chance he gets. Mods MUST act in these cases, or they will lose respect of the community. Haven't you heard the saying, "Give 'em an inch..." ?

Plus CHICKS DIG AUTHORITY FIGURES!!!!!

Sure, you're arguing now Zap (and I don't mind the discussion at all, I think it is fun and important)... you bitching about a moderation DECISION is a helluva lot better than having someone say "I Personally Suck" as a mod in the Websites, Announcements and Feedback Forum, until the thread is completely derailed. Also, you are breaking no rules. You are disagreeing with a decision, not the person. This keeps the discussion from being personal. You can say "The decision sucks donkey dick" with no fear of banishment. But only I can say, "Cervantes sucks donkey dick as a mod," in this forum. Well, if you are clever, I bet you could figure out one or two ways to say "Cervantes sucks donkey dick as a mod," without fear of banishment... but only if you're clever.

I hope you see, if Mods allow people to keep breaking the rule that banned them, many other MODERATORS will get fed up and leave. The Shroomery doesn't pay us enough to stay, so the Shroomery protects us, and our ability to do our job. Without this protection, many mods would just get fed up and leave. It is a mod's duty to make unpopular choices, and here, AT LEAST ONE PERSON ALWAYS DISAGREES WITH ANY DECISION. If we are not protected, what on Earth would compell us to do our duties? The remaining mods could only make popular decsions, but not necisarily smart decisions... unpopular, but necisary decisions would also, be a thing of the past.... and you just can't please all the people all the time.

As you can see, I am more than happy to share my opinions and logic with you, but I probably wouldn't feel that way, if people were simply allowed to flame me while I explained my decisions in this Forum. I sure wouldn't feel like doing it agian. But since I am allowed to come in here, and explain my actions, without getting flamed, I will keep participating in here, when needed. Simple.

Sometimes, these rulings may seem a little grey to Shroomerites, but as a Mod, I understand why it was done and I agree completely.

If Luvdem wants to complain about me, he should do it by PM, if he wishes to complain in this Forum about me, he should use a respectful tone. Here is a link to a thread, from THIS forum, that LUVDEM HAS PARTICIPATED IN, that explaines the suggestes tone you should use when complaining (Yeah, it is WAY over the top, but the point is clear), the thread is called Courtesy and Respect - Lessons in the art of complaints: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1832958/an/0/page/0

If luvdem wishes to bitch like a child, he can go to OTD and post whatever he wants about me. I DON'T CARE. He is allowed that right, except during bans. Just like we are all given the right to PERSONALLY RATE ANYBODY any rating we wish on this website.

Luvdem has many ways to make a complaint. Saying I suck as a mod, again, in this forum, after I politely GAVE HIM WHAT HE WANTED, was disrespectful, stupid, Off-Topic, stupid, Trolling, Worthy of Banishment and Stupid. It also sucked.

Dude Zap, if we disagree, we disagree, but those are the rules... I trust you won't go and try to be a martyr and test the rules out yourself. You may disagree, but the rules still stand, and as I have shown you, there are STILL MANY MANY WAYS to forge a complaint about a moderator... without getting banned.

Weather you agree or not, I will still protect you from flames in the forums I moderate. That is simply my job.

Anno did the same for me.

BTW and FYI, Luvdem's ban's been lifted early (he could be back right now for all I know), I wonder if he got an e-mail this time.

p.s. I understand Luvdem has a sense of humor, and did not take his acts in THIS forum personally. I personally had a hunch he was kidding, and reacted as such... still it goes to show you why you shouldn't make personal attacks without explination. His posts leave little room for interpretation. Play nice with us mods and we'll bend over backwards for you... fuck with us, and you are fucking with people who CAN ban you... doesn't mean we should ban you, but we ALWAYS CAN. Keep that in mind. Best to be respectful to the people with the keys to the locks... unless you like being out on the porch.


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Annot-c


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: zappaisgod]
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> Now I know why you guys don't give reasons. It's because your reasons SUCK.
Everybody is REQUIRED to give a ban  reason! You can no ban anybody if you don't give a reason, the software doesn't permit it.

>Thanks for your time
Thank you for waisting my time.  :thumbdown:


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Anno]
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For the record, as I recall it...

The (REQUIRED, ie: I couldn't ban him without providing one... not even if I wanted to.) reason I banned Luv was:

Flaming, Trolling, Off-Topic derailing of a thread and ignoring repeated warnings.

Duration: 24 Hours

I ALSO, added a special note to ALL THE SHROOMERY ADMINS with a link to the offending thread, the note said, "Please look at this. If I made the wrong decision or was wrong in any way, please let me know. Thanks, Cervantes"
____________________________________________________________

I recieved no reply from an admin for my actions, although I suggested they double check my work.

Believe me, I provided more info than most bannings need, or get.

I did not know that Luvdem never saw the reason for his ban... I wrote what I wrote will full intention of him seeing it. In a perfect world, it would have been automatically sent to Luvdem, all the mods, and the administrators... it seems Luvdem, and other users have simply been out of the loop due to a technical glitch. Only Admins could see the extra note I wrote to them.

I probably flowered up what I said in the original pm when I re-posted it tonight. Memory always makes you remember using better grammar than you actually used. I may have left a detail out of the original message but I really believe that is the jist of what I posted to Luv, even though he never saw it, and possibly never will.

If an Admin wishes to post their ADMINISTRATIVE copy of the PM (If one still exists) to confirm or deny what I have just said, please feel free to do so. If that isn't kosher, no worries.

Full disclosure's fun.


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Rose]
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i think you mods need to smoke a joint  :stonedjerk:


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tiny_rabid_birds said:
"your avatar is dirty."

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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: 40oz]
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Jesus... what do you think I was smoking that makes me talk so much?

:smile:

Who died and made you so surly?

Wait! Let me guess... Yon't have no valid point to make, so you're  getting your licks in while you still can?

That's precisely the type of post I am talking about. You said something, but, you really just bitched and ran (Lesser mods would call that trolling, but I , an Ubermod, know better: You are just grumpy today 'cause luvdem's been getting all the attention).

Your entire post serves one purpose... dissing mods. I know you are not satisfied, but there is little help I can provide after reading your post (assuming I would EVEN want to after reading your post). Thanks for keeping that post from becoming personal... but really, your post offers nothing I can do to help you with your surly demeanor, except maybe smoking another joint.

Thanks for the perfect example of how NOT to talk to a mod, to get something you want, 40.

You'd think I've never come to your defense when people were picking on you...  :rolleyes:

Great example!

Thanks for playing!

Oh, and thanks for the suggestion, the joint was great.

Perhaps you should smoke one too... or if the smoke is agitating you, perhaps you should take some time off. If you can't stand the smoke, get out of the crack den.


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I think we should institute a random banning feature where you get banned for 2hrs for no good reason.

I think 'fun bans' would make it more interesting.

We all take things too seriously to begin with anyhow.  :grin:

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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Rose]
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Cervantes said:
Jesus... what do you think I was smoking that makes me talk so much?

:smile:

Who died and made you so surly?

Wait! Let me guess... Yon't have no valid point to make, so you're  getting your licks in while you still can?

That's precisely the type of post I am talking about. You said something, but, you really just bitched and ran (Lesser mods would call that trolling, but I , an Ubermod, know better: You are just grumpy today 'cause luvdem's been getting all the attention).

Your entire post serves one purpose... dissing mods. I know you are not satisfied, but there is little help I can provide after reading your post (assuming I would EVEN want to after reading your post). Thanks for keeping that post from becoming personal... but really, your post offers nothing I can do to help you with your surly demeanor, except maybe smoking another joint.

Thanks for the perfect example of how NOT to talk to a mod, to get something you want, 40.

You'd think I've never come to your defense when people were picking on you...  :rolleyes:

Great example!

Thanks for playing!

Oh, and thanks for the suggestion, the joint was great.

Perhaps you should smoke one too... or if the smoke is agitating you, perhaps you should take some time off. If you can't stand the smoke, get out of the crack den.


you seem to be lacking a sense of humour.
my post was just a subtle hint to chill out.,
not to be interpreted as an "attack" :smirk:
take it as offensive if youd like,
not my problem :shrug: 
:kiss:

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tiny_rabid_birds said:
"your avatar is dirty."

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Thor said:
I think we should institute a random banning feature where you get banned for 2hrs for no good reason.

I think 'fun bans' would make it more interesting.

We all take things too seriously to begin with anyhow.  :grin:


ban me ban me!

(2 hours only plz) :wink:


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tiny_rabid_birds said:
"your avatar is dirty."

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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: 40oz]
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OOOOOOH can I?

40, THAT was a joke.

:smile:

EMOTICONS  :whatever:

I get chatty when I'm stoned.

My only point was, considering the subject matter of the thread, you could have phrased your comments more politely. It was sorta' aggravating to hear THAT, after several of the points made in here. I'm sure you are smart enough to know what I am saying.

Thx
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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Rose]
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tiny_rabid_birds said:
"your avatar is dirty."

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:rotfl:

Now you're getting it.


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Re: reasons need to be given when a person gets banned [Re: Anno]
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Hey Anno...do you really have an accent?

:flaming:


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Hehe, sure I do.


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Quote:
And you are a slow learner...


So "you suck as a mod" is flame but that isn't? An intended insult to my learning ability? Thanks for demonstrating so clearly why my statement was, and remains, accurate. You lost an argument and because you didn't have the stones to admit it, you resorted to a ?winning" by banning.


I've been here a long time and never have my feelings for a mod necessitated a comment like that from me.


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I hope you understand, this has nothing to do with my personal feelings.


Bullshit.


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I stand by the ban, and the second ban for Luvdem's continued ignorance of the rules that banned him the first time.


There was no ignorance on my part.


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He obviously wished he had that information


Bullshit again. I didn't ask. I didn't even mention who had done it, yet you felt the need to be petty enough to hop in. All I did was state I didn't receive an e-mail notification. Go back and read it again. Maybe you'll comprehend what you read this time.


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Until then, I really was concerned with keeping his ban private, or between him and me.


Liar. If that were true, seeing as I never mentioned your name you have had enough class to not say anything.

Added to that the fact you continued in this thread when I couldn't be here to respond shows a complete lack of class.

If you were man enough to be a mod.... you'd see why someone who displays a lack of tact such as yourself doesn't deserve to be a mod.




Now Anno, what you did was wrong here. Sadly I doubt many will say so. Despite the fact that I could have been back here 5 minutes after you banned me... I did not do so then and I'll not do so if you ban me for this post. That doesn't change the fact that what you did here sucked.


Zappa.... thanks. It's good to see someone here show some intelligence.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Thank you,
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