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Re: Mayans [Re: Shroomism]
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TM was an artist and pseudoscience was his medium. I love his theories on humanity evolving with mushrooms as a catalist. Why? it is creative, inspiring, and novel. However, it isn't true. When all was said and done, McKenna himself knew that, but he knew what value was in his work.

Noone looks at a painting by Picasso and calls the distorted cubist faces "innacurate" or "amazingly lifelike" It is art, and that is the key to understanding TM. I strongly urge anyone that either discounts McKenna or bases their worldview on him to read his chapter "Rational Mysticism" I can't remeber the author, but it is one of the last interviews of his life, and he discusses his life's work and what one should get out of it.


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"And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh." - Friedrich Nietzsche


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Re: Mayans [Re: BBin]
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I DID say there are spiritual references in the Mayan calendar, BUT the symbolism of the calendar ending and restarting was symbolic of the continuity of life and renewal...both common shamanic themes. Read: "A Forest of Kings : The Untold Story of the Ancient Maya" by David Freidel, Linda Schele. It is one among many fine books about the Mayans. I am tired of seeing this doomsday crap associated with the Mayan culture...it is simply not relevant to that subject. As far as the Mayan spititual traditions go, outside of the symbolism, very little detailed information is known, other than they were a polytheistic culture ruled by a lineage of Shaman/Kings. It is thought (conjecture) that the collapse of their culture was caused by Aztec influences creeping into their belief system leading to widespread human sacrifice and the seizure of wideranging political power by the preisthood causing the populace to desanctify their idols and shatter their alters before abandoning the cities. Many of their mythological stories are known, but their actual spiritual practices are mostly educated conjecture.

Edited by Huehuecoyotl (11/20/04 07:42 PM)

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Re: Mayans [Re: oceansize]
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Good Post


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Mayans [Re: oceansize]
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I've listened to every lecture I could get my hands on. And i've come to a similar conclusion you have. Terence wasn't preaching at all, he was just trying to get people to THINK, get people to ask questions. Question authority, society, science, religion, all of our values. He definetly was a great man, one of the best thinkers? WHo knows, who comes up this these titles anyway? I've always enjoyed his ideas..

He really taught me that we really know absolutely nothing for sure. We are constantly staring mystery in the face. And remember mystery is not the same as an unsolved problem.

And another thing..Why so much hate? Can't people have opinions?


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Re: Mayans [Re: MovingTarget]
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MovingTarget said:
as in, a few years were missed out a oouple centuries back.  I dont know the details, i could try and find out though



That is a good point. Although I believe that humans have been keeping good time around the world I don't know with all certainty. My knowledge regarding time keeping is limited.. one thing I did think about is carbon dating; with that alone we could figure out we are in the correct year. But you bring up a very strong point  :thumbup:

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Swami said:
Its not poetry it IS science.

And for your comment about the sun standing still, thats what solstice means. It means SUN STANDING STILL in Latin.

Ther is nothing to STOP the sun from moving (See: Newton); hence this is a poetic and not a scientific description.




During a solstice it appears to stand still. And that is what I said. Just the illusion of it standing still. When I said "and hold still for a while, since it is solstice day" I used it in the context of observing the sky. Here is how the sun appears to stand still during solstice:

"The word solstice derives from the Latin and literally means sun standing still. (Sol meaning sun and sistere meaning to stand still.) "How can the sun stand still?" you ask. Well, it doesn't actually stand still in the sky, it continues its unrelenting daily march westward across the sky, but for a moment, its north/south movement is halted. On this day, the annual swing of the sun's position reaches its northernmost point and, like a pendulum at the apex of its swing, halts momentarily and then reverses direction.

If you have been watching the elevation of the noonday sun increase daily since the equinox (actually since the winter solstice last December) or the northward advance of the points on the horizon of sunrise and sunset, you will have noted the change in position slowing over the past few days (in sharp contrast to the rapid changes occurring around the equinox). In the days following the solstice, the position of the noon elevation will be a little lower, and the positions of the sunrise and sunset a little further south. But during these few days surrounding the solstice, the changes may be almost imperceptible to the eye. This gives the impression that the sun is standing still in the sky." (http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weather/almanac/arc_1999/al99bjun.htm)


That is what I was referring to, and I'm sorry If it seemed as if I were saying the sun physically stopped. But once again, if you actually knew what a solstice was you wouldn't have played devil's advocate.

Edited by Rebirtha (11/20/04 11:38 PM)

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Re: Mayans [Re: Rebirtha]
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J4SON, that was a great post :smile: I encourage everybody to listen to a terence McKenna lecture before just blowing him off as a psychonaut who knows nothing. He really does make you think!

http://deoxy.org/mckenna.htm
Scroll down "Spoken Word : Digital Audio"
give him an hour of listening before bashing him is all I ask :smile:

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Re: Mayans [Re: oceansize]
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oceansize said:
TM was an artist and pseudoscience was his medium. I love his theories on humanity evolving with mushrooms as a catalist. Why? it is creative, inspiring, and novel. However, it isn't true. When all was said and done, McKenna himself knew that, but he knew what value was in his work.

Noone looks at a painting by Picasso and calls the distorted cubist faces "innacurate" or "amazingly lifelike" It is art, and that is the key to understanding TM. I strongly urge anyone that either discounts McKenna or bases their worldview on him to read his chapter "Rational Mysticism" I can't remeber the author, but it is one of the last interviews of his life, and he discusses his life's work and what one should get out of it.



I didn't read this whole thread, but I happened to read that post, and that was a great post right there.

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Re: Mayans [Re: JacquesCousteau]
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I agree. That was a great post. My brain goes into a totally different mode when interpeting the things TM says. I love it.

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Re: Mayans [Re: Rebirtha]
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Evan and MovingTarget:

No, we didn't miss out a few years. Carbon dating wouldn't be our best bet here, it has a large margin of error, just simple stuff you would overlook, for example:

-Recurrances of Haley's Comet (75? years) which has a record going back to sightings 1000 years ago

I am sure there are other celestial events that can tell us we didnt just forget to change the calandar for a year or two


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Re: Mayans [Re: oceansize]
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fair enough, but i'm not convinced.

Still need to find out more about this though


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