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 Re: Observations on Mayan Calendar  [Re: uriahchase]
#3465215 - 12/08/04 02:56 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you want me to make a comment on that?
The meaning you have to derive yourself because the symbols they mention mean something different to you than me. However, I do know white dogs have issues of loyalty to people or action. Also, consider that it is highly translated, so you have to use a best-fit mode of mind, or just think about it a while longer. Maybe use gomp's link, because it describes more than mine and makes things a little easier to understand.
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Re: Observations on Mayan Calendar [Re: vampirism]
#3465300 - 12/08/04 03:12 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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astrology is not mystical 
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Please tell me what IS mystical.
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Re: Observations on Mayan Calendar [Re: Diploid]
#3465359 - 12/08/04 03:21 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm suggesting that Mayan "astrology" is essentially applied Mayan astronomy with onorthodox vocabulary.
What IS mystical? Why absolutely nothing if its true 
In the natural Universe, everything has an explanation or it does not exist, for it cannot exist.
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Re: Observations on Mayan Calendar [Re: vampirism]
#3467032 - 12/08/04 07:49 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Morrowind said:
To my knowledge, I have looked into the Mayans the most on this board.
Maybe so, maybe not. You're not the first person who's gone through plugging in birthdays of famous people. My favorite is Einstein's result....the most farsighted person in human history and he's 13/20 on a GAP.  I love it. If you're interested in kicking some program ideas back and forth, possibly cooperating, pm me. (I know Java but I'm a bit rusty on netcode)
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I think Java would be way too inefficient for looking at hundred thousand + people, but I'm starting to question the project in the first place.
I just have noooo clue how it would be done - census information doesn't include the birthdate, and occupation isn't really a good indicator.. But then if you do occupation + "do you love your job?" it gets too subjective and directed =/
Itd be a neat idea to look into , but I think we'd have to set up some system where people go to a site, submit *truthful* information, and once alot of that is collected, you run it through some c.. BUT how do you get people to submit truthful information? blah...
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oh, and as to the knowledgeable bit, that's from reading alot into the whole thing, it's basis, etc as well as plugging in lots of people - well known and personally known, then looking at any interactions I could find. I just doubt that many people spend alot of time looking into the Mayan thing specifically- for example, Shroomism has looked into a huge amount of information, but horoscope-wise it seems like he prefers the regular zodiac.
Edited by Morrowind (12/08/04 07:57 PM)
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Re: Observations on Mayan Calendar [Re: vampirism]
#3467238 - 12/08/04 08:29 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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One of the main challenges with Mayan Astrology, just as with Western Astrology is that there are multiple energies at work at the same time. It's hard enough getting a good concept of what one of these energies is, but then you gotta wrap your head around a bunch of em at the same time for a celebrity's private self. Hell, I dunno if I even really know myself let alone Jimi Hendrix.
You know about the main glyph, the tone, the challenge power, the support power, the occult power and the guide power.... But then there's also the different energies in a person's four-year cycle.... and then there's also a person's long-count glyph. You know this stuff, does that one resonate for you like your dreamspell glyph? Mine does. A friend has suggested a theory about the significance of a person's long count glyph vs. their dreamspell glyph.
Anyway, I plan on writing a program to try to just help people on a case-by-case basis and I'm going to get started soon.
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You are going to run into problems wherever you try to create a dichotomy between between the sides of the brain and any facet of a person's life.
Einstein developed his theory of special relativity while daydreaming about riding sunbeams.
Classical composers used complex mathematical formulas in their pieces.
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Re: Observations on Mayan Calendar [Re: oceansize]
#3467356 - 12/08/04 08:51 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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this is an awesome site.
http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/1.htm
it shows how the mayans, sphinx and about 50 other ways to reach the year 2012 as a turning point. not the end of the world but a turning point for humans. its pretty amazing.
The whole reason I got interested in the Mayans was becaues Terence Mckenna's Time Wave Zero theory matched up with the Mayans which was published in the 70's. while suprisingly the whole 2012 thing with the mayans wasn't released till 80's according to the information I have. So that means McKenna didn't fabricate his data to make the time graph end at 2012 to match the Mayans.
I was really discouraged when somebody posted a website with a critique of Mckenna's math being incorrect. I read more and more and more and I found that his math was recrituqed by a nuero physicist and was found to be accurate. Check out the site its pretty amazing, its a fountain of knowledge.
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Re: Observations on Mayan Calendar [Re: Rebirtha]
#3467375 - 12/08/04 08:54 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would just like to add that I got out my I Ching and my Mckenna instructions and tried to do the same thing he did. jesus christ its complicated. i'm about 5% done haha.
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Re: Observations on Mayan Calendar [Re: Rebirtha]
#3467497 - 12/08/04 09:19 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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The whole reason I got interested in the Mayans was becaues Terence Mckenna's Time Wave Zero theory
Nevermind that McKenna himself admited that he'd gotten it all wrong:
"Strangely, McKenna's description of the derivation fails to yield the data points which appear in the appendix and which have been used since."
and
"By the final discussion he [McKenna] seemed to have fully grasped the nature of the problem, and had admitted that the theory appeared to have "no basis in rational thought."
and
"As a mathematician who has met and talked with him [McKenna], who is sympathetic with the majority of his other work, and who is only interested in spreading clarity, I must conclude that the "timewave" cannot be taken to be what McKenna claims it is."
http://serendipity.nofadz.com/ft/autopsy.html
Of course, the complete debunking of the basis for a True Believer's beliefs has never stopped one from continuing to believe.
Edit:
I found that his math was recrituqed by a nuero physicist and was found to be accurate.
John Sheliak 'adjusted' the Time Wave Theory to force-fit the system to reality. This is what scientists call Fudging, and it's not allowed if you're seeking the truth.
Math can't be 'slightly wrong'.
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Re: Observations on Mayan Calendar [Re: Diploid]
#3467527 - 12/08/04 09:24 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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And what about the nuero-physicists' recritique?
McKenna's thoughts are irrelevant- Einstein regretted introducing a cosmological constant for the acceleration of the Universe and said it was the stupidest thing he ever did, but ~5 years ago we found out he was, in fact, right.
edit: nevermind, you edited your post. Do you have more information on the editing?
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 Re: Observations on Mayan Calendar [Re: vampirism]
#3467586 - 12/08/04 09:34 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you have more information
What more do you need? McKenna was wrong, so his proponents just change everything around until the data fits again.
This is Mystic's Standard Excuse #4: When the prediction doesn't come true, change the prediction. 
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Re: Observations on Mayan Calendar [Re: Diploid]
#3467701 - 12/08/04 09:57 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, what sort of changes were made? The mathematics were shown to be wrong beforehand, so why would a version with only repaired math be inherently wrong? It's as if the first attempt was wrong in one key point, and the second attempt was simply a more coherent version of the first- almost as if a mathematician picked up on another's, repairing only one fundamental, but flawed lemma.
Basically, I'm just asking how you can be sure that all they did was baseless re-arranging.
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Re: Observations on Mayan Calendar [Re: vampirism]
#3467715 - 12/08/04 10:00 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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how you can be sure that all they did was baseless re-arranging.
I read the re-critique.
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Re: Observations on Mayan Calendar [Re: Diploid]
#3467751 - 12/08/04 10:08 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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do you have a link to it?
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 Re: Observations on Mayan Calendar [Re: vampirism]
#3468566 - 12/09/04 12:35 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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do you have a link to it?
I have Sheliak's treatise in PDF form. PM me, and I'll hook you up with my FTP server.
All Sheliak did was reanalyze the data using vector math. If you keep poking and prodding the data, you will eventually accommodate it to fit anything you want. This applies to horoscopes too, and palmistry, and numerology, and Diploidology.
Here, my reading:
Your life keeps you busy much of the time, there may be changes in your life or in a loved one's life in the near future, changes at work, possibly a promotion, or you've been thinking about changing jobs, or there may be a move in your future, or a vacation or travel of some sort, and you've lost a loved one, perhaps not too long ago, or perhaps it was a pet, dog? cat? fish, bird? Ah yes, see, I was right. (That'll be $20, please.) 
Also, the amazing 'coincidence' that McKenna and the Mayans appear to have independently converged on December 21, 2012 is a myth. Both McKenna's original and Sheliak's revised Time Wave pick December 21, 2012 *arbitrarily*.
Let's repeat that part because it's important and the True Beleiver is known for conveniently selective memory: McKenna chose December 21, 2012 *arbitrarily* because it 'fit' his invention, not because his invention picked that date.
Proponents of the Time Wave superstition are usually not aware of, or conveniently ignore, this fact. Despite what they will tell you, there is nothing inherent in the King Wen Sequence or in the I Ching, or even in the Time Wave itself that leads to this date. The fact that McKenna's arbitrarily-chosen date and the end date of the Mayan calendar coincided should not be surprising considering McKenna's consuming obsession with mushrooms and with the Mayan culture in which mushrooms figure prominently.
Add to this the fact that McKenna and company conveniently decline to define a metric for 'Novelty', a concept at the cornerstone of the theory. Without such a definition, the data must be interpreted and has no sound basis in mathematics or science. This renders the Time Wave subjective and meaningless.
McKenna: "[The Time Wave] is what accounts for fads and fashions, hemlines are rising and falling in a rhythm based on the rise and fall of empires millennia ago and these things are as causally linked as the orbit of the Earth is to the sun, you see."
Yeah, right. Makes perfect sense when you're so clobbered by drugs that you can't even remember where you are. The rest of the time it's just so much delusional drivel. 
By the way, I liked McKenna and appreciate a lot of the other things he came up with, but BS is BS, and the Time Wave is a pile of it.
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Edited by Diploid (12/10/04 10:06 PM)
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