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Offlinegribochek
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Seing it vs. being it
    #337684 - 06/08/01 10:01 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

The following story was once told to me.

A father once witnessed his three year old try to go potty. The little boy was approaching the potty facing it and would then try to sit -- didn't work, 'cause the potty was in front of him. Slowly the realization came and the boy turned his back to the potty, but now that he couldn't see it, there was no way of knowing where it was, so the boy turned around facing it again, and so it repeated.

Edited by gribochek on 06/08/01 10:06 AM.



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Re: Seing it vs. being it [Re: gribochek]
    #339604 - 06/13/01 02:39 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe that is why we have mirrors. They enable us to have a view that without them we would never have. They show us that the "world" behind us continues to "exist" even though we can not see it. Thats a very interesting story.



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Re: Seing it vs. being it [Re: shroom-girlie]
    #339798 - 06/13/01 09:22 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Everything I see in the mirror is in front of me, including that guy who always sticks his ass in my mirrors, so obnoxious of him, although I don't mind so much 'cause he never talks anyway...



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Re: Seing it vs. being it [Re: gribochek]
    #340595 - 06/14/01 01:55 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Seeing IT vs. Being IT
Do you mean like....
Knowing the path vs. Walking the path



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Re: Seing it vs. being it [Re: Sclorch]
    #340603 - 06/14/01 02:08 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, i guess. Although I don't quite know what the Path is...



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Re: Seing it vs. being it [Re: gribochek]
    #341115 - 06/15/01 01:58 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

the gnarly one spiralling up the mountain



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Re: Seing it vs. being it [Re: gribochek]
    #341298 - 06/15/01 10:12 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Here's hoping junior got it sorted out eventually...;)



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Re: Seing it vs. being it [Re: Pynchon]
    #341312 - 06/15/01 10:33 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Of cource, by surrendering into the hands of God (represented by his father), the little fella achieved his goal and, I'm sure, not without much pleasure. As we should all. Amen.



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Re: Seing it vs. being it [Re: gribochek]
    #341401 - 06/15/01 01:10 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

This is what you get when you rely to much on your eyes. Does being rely on seeing? I think the reverse is true.
There are many other senses, some people take awhile ( or never ) to dicover them. More often than not children have a better grasp, being in the preprogram stage.
Which is better, this back and forth, or just pissing with faith?
I piss with faith all the time. It may, or may not be better in the big picture, but at least my bladder doesn't hurt from indecision.


Jason



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Re: Seing it vs. being it [Re: gribochek]
    #341658 - 06/15/01 06:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I think that the dichotomy between seeing and being has to do with self-consciousness. We are all the time looking at the world through our conditioned lenses to make sure that it's safe. Conditioning is a process of "securing" the world through language, through habit, through knowledge, control, will. So we are always acting on the world--at a distance, however subtle--through some mediation, some tool, whether it be language, habit, or knowledge. BEING is some whole other thing. TO BE, one must shed the filters, or at least put them aside for a while and TRUST. This is where the bumper sticker (let go and let god) comes from. Sometimes you have to trust and allow the contents of your heart (as opposed to the constant judgmental discourse of thinking) to act in the world without knowing, without being attached to outcome. This is faith, but not the Christain sense of that word. It isn't "blind" (it's rather a profoundly sensitive and alert state), it just isn't self-conscious. Read the poetry of Rumi for a sweeter revealing of this truth.



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Re: Seing it vs. being it [Re: Blue333]
    #342203 - 06/16/01 03:30 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Right on!



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Re: Seing it vs. being it [Re: Blue333]
    #343416 - 06/18/01 09:40 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Rumi is great!



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