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 MrKurtz
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 Looking in the Mirror 
#393860 - 09/13/01 10:25 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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i dont no if anyone else gets this sensation... but i am normally quite a confident young man, i get along well with others, can be bright at times and helpful, i try to be warm and all, but sometimes when i look in the mirror and look into my own eyes, i see every bad thing i have ever done in an instant, and it like scares me. i start hating myself, i get really depressed, i cant sleep. i dont no, im probably just rambling, i havent had a good night sleep in a while, and i work to much, maybe i have some deep down self esteem problems or i dont no. it sucks when you cant sleep at 12:30 am and want someone to talk to but your all alone... heh, i feel like huck finn or holden caulfield... ah well, i dont no why im writing this, but what the hell.
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 Jared
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: MrKurtz]
#393943 - 09/13/01 11:38 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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Exercise Two
WARNING: Persons with a history of mental illness are warned against using this exercise without guidance from their therapist. Hatha yoga and/or stretching performed before this exercise will enhance it. You may be siting in the same position for a long time.
Place a mirror where you can sit in front of it and see yourself. If it will make you more comfortable, remove your clothes. Sit in front of the mirror. Look into your eyes. Gaze into them. Try not to blink excessively.
Depending on your susceptibility, after a few minutes to an hour you may start to experience visual disturbances and hallucinations. The latter usually take the form of what Jung called "archetypes." Your image may take on the appearance of animals, mythological beings, people of different race/sex/ culture than your own, etc. Seeing these images where you are used to seeing your own may be disturbing to you. Usually any given image is transitory and will fade to another. If a given imagepersists, and you are bothered by this, take a break from the exercise.
These images can form a basis for self-analysis, but the purpose of this exercise in this context is to enhance your ability to visualize on the theory that such practice improves conscious access to subconscious material.
A variation of this exercise which has less potential to cause disturbance is to look at the face of another person instead of the mirror.
A few words on Vitalism
Philosophers, religionists, mystics, and some scientists have advanced ideas that for purposes of discussion I shall lump together under the classification of vitalism. Put as shortly as possible, the basic idea is that there is an energy associated with life, which is not recognized by traditional western science.
I believe that this idea is one of the oldest in the world. This principle is clearly stated in ancient Egyptian writings, and seems to me to be inherent in the "magickal" practices of prehistoric peoples. Thisconcept recurs throughout recorded history under many names, Ka, Barakka, Prana, animal magnetism, elan' vital, odic force, orgone, etc.
I neither advance nor dispute the claim that this idea is literally true, for reasons which I will discuss later. What I do claim is that there are phenomena which have been observed throughout history which are compatible with vitalist ideas, and which are incompatible with 19th century materialism, which is what many people believe constitutes science.
Two phenomena intimately connected with the concept of vitalism are "auras," and "healings."
Namaste
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: Jared]
#394020 - 09/14/01 02:45 AM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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jared are you for real? i hate mirrors, i try not to look at myself in a mirror ever
mirrors are freaky man :p but im going to try this.
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: Jared]
#394044 - 09/14/01 04:39 AM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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There are many theories as to what the faces you see represent. Some people believe that they are past lives, other believe they are aspects of your higer self, or the faces of spirit guides.
I believe this is the root of the legend of looking in a mirror and saying 'bloody mary' 3 times to see how you will look when you die, as the faces often appear to be disfigured or scary.
This also works with other people as well as mirrors. The technique is exactly the same, but you need two people sitting directly opposite each other, looking into each others eyes.
Take care
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: Phyl]
#394330 - 09/14/01 01:37 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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I did this for 2 minutes when the changes started... They freaked me out enough that I stopped immediatly and haven't tried it yet.. Now I rush when looking in a mirror.. Comb hair, brush teeth, ok done go...
Namaste
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: Jared]
#394691 - 09/14/01 08:05 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looking in the mirror when your tripping can be very strange.
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: cxz]
#394719 - 09/14/01 09:09 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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well i tried it 3 times last nite but nothign happened
i beleive you though.
so you just gaze into your eyes for a few minutes?
cos i was sitting there for 10 minutes and the only thing that happened was me starting to loose my vision then my face dissapeared.. that wasnt very freaky. i lost my patience after that.
but my mum went to like one of those psycic classes and they did this exercise but they did it with a person. and she told me there head turned into a coyote and then she freaked out
hehe
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: ]
#394723 - 09/14/01 09:15 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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dont gaze into your eyes, anaylze your face.. watch it .. look at every part of it.. then again.. never look away.. always watch your face anaylzing it.. if you dont flip, your broken.
Namaste
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: Jared]
#394726 - 09/14/01 09:21 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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ok thanks, im going to try it now
thats what i was doing wrong! i thought u just stare into your eyes
D'oh!
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: ]
#394814 - 09/15/01 12:22 AM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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yea.. im broken
i think im broken or maybe it just takes longer for me
i stopped after 5mins
ill try again in a few hours!
im determined to do this so bad!
don't mess wid a skitzo
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: MrKurtz]
#395137 - 09/15/01 01:35 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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I did it while tripping once, unintentionally and i turned into a black man with a beard.
It didnt freak me out but it was fun
and i couldn't awake from the nightmare that sucked me in and pulled me under
pulled me under
oh... that was so real
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: MrKurtz]
#395274 - 09/15/01 04:24 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey man, that seems pretty fucked up. I suggest you go see a doctor, you shouldn't be getting depressed like that oorrr have crazy mental anguish while looking in the mirror. Hopefully they'll help you out with meds, but if its not that maybe your just going through a phase....?.. good luck man
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: ]
#395291 - 09/15/01 04:42 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't focus what might come, focus on what is there and it will.
Namaste
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: ]
#396726 - 09/17/01 12:49 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't be so hasty to advocate medicating people back to some sort of normalcy. Yes, what is described does seem rather frightful, but youth is often characterized by emotional shifts. The symbolism of the mirror is rather obvious. What perhaps may be of more use is analyzing the situation rather than jumping straight for the happy pills. If you see something in the mirror that makes you sad, all of your past transgressions, then /use/ that mirror, use it to help you eliminate those things in your life that make you ashamed to look at yourself. If you want to know what it is you need to eliminate from your life, what ego game, all you have to do is look in the mirror. Not everyone is so lucky. All I'm suggesting is you try to utilize this perception rather than subdue it outright as something terrifying or beyond the scope of what is 'normal' and what should be experienced. Use your gifts, for if you don't, they /will/ go away. And when you're left standing naked with nothing in the middle of the desert, desperate for anything, then you're normal. Congratulations.
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: Ishmael]
#397000 - 09/17/01 06:27 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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modern doctors and medicine can only do so much, i really believe depression is something people should overcome on their own, like i have in the past, its not fun but it will teach you alot about yourself, just remember that no matter how hard it rains, withstand the pain, you will feel happy again and you will thank yourself for having the strength to pull through, all is not and never will be lost my friend, keep goin man.
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: Jared]
#397157 - 09/17/01 09:22 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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I used to do that when I was little because I questioned greatly my existence. I didn't see any images or hallucinations, but I felt very displaced from the person in the mirror. I didn't know who that was
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dont try it.
they probably have some mental problem, thats why they are seeing these strange visions.
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j00 mushroom heds!
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If you are comfortable with yourself and who you are you will have no problems gazing in the mirror for hours. Everytime that I trip I always stare in the mirror for atleast and hour. It is amazing what you see. You just have to relax and realize that if you see something that you don't like that you can change it within yourself. The scary faces or disturbing faces that you see are only scary because they are strange to you/ Take control of your mind and use it to see beautiful things. Relax your body and allow your arms to move as they wish. If you are tripping you will feel your body wanting to move on its own..allow it...as your arms move they will help to enhance your transformation. I have seen a wolf, a little boy, a native americann women, an egyptian man, a monk(with the hood on), etc ,and even a very sinister looking man....which I later learned represented all the bad thoughts that I have towards the world or others. The more bad thoughts that you have about others and life, the scarier these figures will be. Relax and enjoy life and what you see will be abslotuley amazing!
As everyone stated before it is a little more comfotable to do this staring into someone elses eyes. It is absolutely amazing what our minds are capable of. Even sober I find myself gazing in the mirror. and sometimes the changes still come. If you are afraid of the mirror you are afraid of yourself. take care
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Jared
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"If you are afraid of the mirror you are afraid of yourself." Watching my thoughts is like watching Alice in wonderland, I never know whats coming next and that gives me the right to be afraid.. I'm afraid that I exist, I'm afraid that I don't. I'm afraid I don't know anything and that I never will. I'm afraid that I'm nothing but a compilation of the things which I've seen and not some sole individual spirit. I'm afraid not to be accepted, I'm afraid to be the same. I'm afraid I'm already dead and this is my afterlife, I'm afraid to see who I really might be. I don't much like who I am right now, and it makes me wonder if I really am me.
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: Ishmael]
#398550 - 09/19/01 08:44 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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thanks... i have seen a psycologist, and all he said was i had clinical depression and should take lots of pills. i said no thanks, and after a while i started feeling better on my own. but every once in a while i get hit with waves of depression, and of course its much easier when i see myself. it goes away pretty quick usually, ive only been deeply depressed once which lasted about 3 months... but since then its never been longer then a day or 2. i posted this cause i dont want to be afraid of myself, and i have subdued most of the "evil" inside of myself, but when i see a glimmer of it.. i hate it. i don't believe its ok to do bad things because others do it, i guess im a true christian at heart, forgive everyone and always show kindness, heh. but when i see what i used to do as an adolescent... it sickens me.
from my experiences with psychologists, they don't really understand whats going on at all. just about every time they recommend pills pills and more pills. i refused to take them, thinking they would probably just help in repressing problems.
thanks everyone...
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: MrKurtz]
#398709 - 09/19/01 11:26 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eat 6 grams of shrooms.
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 Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: cxz]
#399393 - 09/20/01 06:12 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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mirrors? they can be your worst ex. but more nice is when YOU look in the mirror and see, the you. you like.
not only like ,but belive is good about you??,or for = you. picture ,you love, or a thought that makes you feel
good again.
dont really want to go back to all the mirrors iv'e broken
mushy muncher
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: Jared]
#400424 - 09/21/01 10:01 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice post Jared.
I agree with everything you said. Except I have a thing or two to add.
Gazing into your eyes in a mirror allows you to see the subconscious aspect of yourself...as Jared said. What you see reflects what is in your subconscious. Don't be afraid if you see hideous monsters, or a grotesque face. Let it flow through you, do not resist it. This will help clear the negative subconscious thoughts.
This excercise is best accomplished in the dark, while sitting in the lotus position, with two candles...one on either side of you. This helps to bring out the images much more clearly.
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: ]
#401104 - 09/22/01 08:22 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have never gone to the point where i have actually seen a hallucination (or whatever the correct term for something like that would be), because sometimes i just look at myself and see the little things that everyone else doesn't see, and it doesn't scare me, it just fills me with self hate... might as well try the excersize and understand why this happens.
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: MrKurtz]
#402557 - 09/24/01 12:55 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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One time I was looking in the mirror for like half an hour while I was trippin... making faces and doing some fluid shit with my arms, and the strangest thing happend! I actually decided that I wasn't that bad lookin'!
But then my dumb ass put my face right up to the mirror and it was quite the opposite. Needless to say... I had to quit looking in the mirror.
Deep in the vortex I rest... clueless to time, for madness has its own circle.
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: Jared]
#402577 - 09/24/01 01:18 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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I did this today and for the first 10 minutes I just saw really grotesque and horrible faces...it was sorta freaky, i wouldn't do it if I was the only one in the house but that probably says something about me personally...after the first 10 mins or so everything started to look really dark, except my face which kinda started to glow....and then i couldn't see anything except the area around my eyes which got really bright. This sounds really far fetched but it wasn't as dramatic as it sounds - probably anything would do this if you stared at it long enough. Quite cool though, more food for the head.
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: Revelation]
#403008 - 09/24/01 08:51 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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Try doing it with somethign inanimate.. Try staring into a block of marble.. or cement. See if it does it. I'm interested to hear the results.
Namaste
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: Jared]
#403412 - 09/25/01 08:19 AM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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At my mom's house there is a rough spot of concrete on the floor that I used to stare at a lot. When you stare at it right, it looks like it is flowing like water, but there are layers of it and they all seem to go in different directions. It's pretty cool.
Deep in the vortex I rest... clueless to time, for madness has its own circle.
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Re: Looking in the Mirror [Re: Anonymous]
#403514 - 09/25/01 10:49 AM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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I do this all the time when tripping. I see a warrior(Native American type), old woman(i'm a guy), my dad when he was my age(this happens more often than the rest), and my dead aunt(that was a little scary, and I looked away, decided that she wouldn't hurt me, tried again, and couldn't get her back).
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