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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Psychedelics and death. [Re: Gomp]
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pretty posts...


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.

~Casil



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Re: Psychedelics and death. [Re: JacquesCousteau]
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the only death I experienced was a mental or egotistical death.

there's still physical death that we have no idea of yet.

and there's still the death of awareness that we haven't experienced yet.

metal death for me was all about silence.  being quiet, being still, and not having a judgemental attitude with everything that is.

the death I experienced showed me the beauty it a lot of silence and the beauty of not knowing.

my label had completly vanished, but my existence was still here. I didn't know where i was, nor who I was, but I was still here for some reason :wink:

and for some reason, I didn't care either.  my mind was so quiet from this experience, I couldn't think of a thing.  i noticed how often my mind was chattering and it felt calming and soothing to lessen the input and let go.

now I can only realate this to physical death by the same things that went away from mental or ego death, but it pales in comparison

the where is gone
the input is gone

what are you left with?

you could have awareness, and with no physical input, and there's nothing for the awareness to experience but silence.

silence on a level we know not of because there's  always noise and there's always input.


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Psychedelics and death. [Re: kaiowas]
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my own deaths have lead me to believe that i will die again, and it will be as comfortable of an experience as i make it.

you may not see me smile when i die, but that is only because ill be paying attention to whats going on.

peace


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.

~Casil



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Re: Psychedelics and death. [Re: Todcasil]
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I still mainly believe that once you die thats the end.  You wont realise it, but it doesnt matter as the next human born could be YOU!!

Thats a strange thoguht to think about, as soon as you die there will be a conciousness born somewhere and instantly one of us will be created anew :laugh:


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Re: Psychedelics and death. [Re: MovingTarget]
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Death occurs in "linear time" transition infinitely. There, you just died, and so did I :smile:

The problem arises when we (or dundunduuuun... the 'ego') relates its sense of self back to previous moments of the organism. When we think that we are the "person" that sat down at the chair that 'we' are sitting at right now. Really, that person is "dead" in our sense of the word, lost 'behind' this frame in time and inaccesable by our known means.

That person still exists in spacetime though, which is another thing which is often forgotten and makes death seem much more 'permanent'. We've already died and we haven't been born, and yet we're here simuntaneously. Everything, not just spatial happenings in a single moment, but in all momemts and all "dimensions" - exists as one singular "thing". Even after other's 'linear' consciousness flows past the event of our bodily death, the 'us' that 'once' lived is still alive, here :smile:

We die infinitely in the sense that us (which is constantly changing - both on the atomic level and on levels more relative to our perceptions - personality, appearance, ect ect).

And yet we are never 'dead' in the sense that all always exists forever as one.

Or something :smile:


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Re: Psychedelics and death. [Re: deff]
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i think we're talkin death when like our heart stops beating lol


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Re: Psychedelics and death. [Re: MovingTarget]
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it stopped just there...
oh, it went again (i think)
:smile:

I realize what 'death' is, heh, but I was saying why the concept of it one usually associates with the word is sort of misleading. The seperation between your body and the not-body is not absolute like most assume, but is infinitely interchanged, grey, and always changing through time.

It is our precision of awareness which leads to this black/white model of self. Really, the structure of the body is always changing, and thus always dying to it's next timeframe, its next form. You can say that when the body stops functioning in the way we associate life with, then death occurs, but this is just an external observation.

The atoms that make up our bodies are thought to never die. It is only the mutual organism that arises out of the complex structure of them that ceases to 'function'.

I dunno, I don't think life and death is black and white like it seems :smile:


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Re: Psychedelics and death. [Re: deff]
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Ok i totaly understand what your saying!

BUT

Maybe this thread shoulda have been titled

'Psychedelics and our perception of the death of our mind'  to avoid confusion

:laugh:


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Re: Psychedelics and our perception of the death of our mind. [Re: MovingTarget]
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Heh, probably :cool: ^


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Re: Psychedelics and our perception of the death of our mind. [Re: deff]
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so, if linear time is an illusion, and all things happen simultaneously, how can we die? but then, how can we be born? unless, we are constantly being born and dieing every illusonary instant!

:eek:


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Everything I post is fiction.

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Re: Psychedelics and death. [Re: MovingTarget]
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MovingTarget said:
I worked hard to today so i can trip tomorow

gonna make some strong liberty cap brew, and go for a walk into tha wilderness :laugh:


Its almost time  :laugh:

although i met be better stayin inside as its pitch black outside  :smirk:


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Re: Psychedelics and death. [Re: MovingTarget]
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Good 'luck' :cool:
Hope you have an insightful journey :thumbup:

And moonshoe - Yes :smile:. But keep in mind you're trying to condition these experiences around the faulty logic of absolute life/death. It sounds absurd, but you're absolutely right :smile:


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Re: Psychedelics and death. [Re: deff]
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thanks man, its brewing this very moment


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Re: Psychedelics and death. [Re: MovingTarget]
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""so, if linear time is an illusion""

or linear time is a meschure metode inverted by man? and all things happen simultaneously only changing? :P


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Disclaimer!?

Edited by Gomp (10/27/04 04:07 PM)

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Re: Psychedelics and death. [Re: Gomp]
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same difference :laugh:


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Re: Psychedelics and death. [Re: deff]
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illusion is man made?
is it not only man made letters making a word? :P hihi not arguing you statment. just adding a wiev.. :wink:
dont mind this off-topic post, got caried away a bit there ;P


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Disclaimer!?

Edited by Gomp (10/27/04 04:10 PM)

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Re: Psychedelics and death. [Re: Gomp]
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of cause illusion is a man made word, see past that if you can and use the meaning that we know applies to the word,  stop trying to confuse everyone!

or maybe its just me lol, a can never understand you :smile:


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Re: Psychedelics and death. [Re: MovingTarget]
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""the meaning that we know applies to the word""

i don't know the meaning, i know there are meanings to all words and we apply the individually? those "consept" seem upside down to me?


""or maybe its just me lol, a can never understand you ""


no, joine the club :P
only place i found response not about me beeing un -understandable is this forum, infact this is the first time i have noticed :wink:  :thumbup:

""stop trying to confuse everyone""
how can you ever do, before you stop trying to do, and do instead?


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Edited by Gomp (10/27/04 04:22 PM)

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Re: Psychedelics and death. [Re: Gomp]
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understood up to that last sentence :smile:

the concepts seem upside down to you? how do you mean?


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Re: Psychedelics and death. [Re: MovingTarget]
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I assure you he's not trying to confuse everyone... he just doesn't speak english very fluently..

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