Home | Community | Message Board


The Spore Depot
Please support our sponsors.

General Interest >> Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Amazon Shop for: Microscope

Jump to first unread post. Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]
InvisibleSwami
Eggshell Walker

Registered: 01/19/00
Posts: 15,413
Loc: In the hen house
Mystical Experience?
    #1714012 - 07/14/03 01:44 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone here have a genuine (your defintion) mystical experience NOT on drugs?


--------------------



The proof is in the pudding.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineMalachi
stereotype

Registered: 06/19/02
Posts: 1,294
Loc: Around Minneapolis.
Last seen: 7 years, 6 months
Re: Mystical Experience? [Re: Swami]
    #1714080 - 07/14/03 02:07 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

do dreams count?


--------------------
The ultimate meaning of our being can only be fulfilled in the paradoxical leap beyond the tragic-demonic frustration. It is a leap from our side, but it is the self-surrendering presence of the Ground of Being from the other side.
- Paul Tillich


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleSwami
Eggshell Walker

Registered: 01/19/00
Posts: 15,413
Loc: In the hen house
Re: Mystical Experience? [Re: Malachi]
    #1714091 - 07/14/03 02:09 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

No, dreams and illness (fever delerium) do not count.


--------------------



The proof is in the pudding.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineMarkostheGnostic
Elder
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/10/99
Posts: 12,756
Loc: South Florida
Last seen: 6 hours, 47 minutes
Re: Mystical Experience? [Re: Swami]
    #1714748 - 07/14/03 05:01 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

"Mysticism is the art of union with Reality." These words were penned by Evelyn Underhill in 1912, but I've used them so often that I have formerly adopted the terse definition.


--------------------
γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineEarth_Droid
Stranger
Registered: 04/19/02
Posts: 5,240
Last seen: 10 years, 4 months
Re: Mystical Experience? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1714754 - 07/14/03 05:03 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I have had mystical experiences just spontaneously.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineDogomush
Barbless Aryan

Registered: 10/05/02
Posts: 1,286
Loc: The Canadian west coast
Last seen: 11 years, 8 months
Re: Mystical Experience? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1714757 - 07/14/03 05:03 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

maybe. I don't know how anybody'd know.

And don't say "OH, YOU'D KNOW ALL RIGHT!"


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineDogomush
Barbless Aryan

Registered: 10/05/02
Posts: 1,286
Loc: The Canadian west coast
Last seen: 11 years, 8 months
Re: Mystical Experience? [Re: Dogomush]
    #1714760 - 07/14/03 05:04 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

but then you probably would know wouldn't you?


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineEarth_Droid
Stranger
Registered: 04/19/02
Posts: 5,240
Last seen: 10 years, 4 months
Re: Mystical Experience? [Re: Dogomush]
    #1714803 - 07/14/03 05:20 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I am sure everyone has some sort of so called mystical experiences. Does sexual activity not count either?


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleSclorch
Clyster

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 07/13/99
Posts: 4,805
Loc: On the Brink of Madness
Re: Mystical Experience? [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #1715006 - 07/14/03 06:19 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I've had many mystical experiences whilst sober.

I had one a week ago... cruising up Pacific Coast Highway, blasting Hail to the Thief, and watching the sun disappear beneath the waves of Malibu. VERY intense for about a half hour.

I've had psychedelic-like (low visuals) experiences ever since I was a young boy. New stimulus tends to provoke them. Most are good/happy, a few have been bad/depressing. I usually end up in some meditative trance where my mind is blank and I "feel" everything in my sensory realm. This trance doesn't necessarily incapacitate me, as such experiences have happened when i've been driving a car and riding a motorcycle.


--------------------
Note: In desperate need of a cure...


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineStatic
Can you hear menow?

Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 113
Last seen: 12 years, 10 months
Re: Mystical Experience? [Re: Sclorch]
    #1715126 - 07/14/03 06:46 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I get impressions from people and places, sometimes I see flashes of insight about them and their "nature", it is hard to describe really. Sometimes it is comforting and pleasant and other times it is totally evil and wicked. It is at those time I wish it did not happen :frown:
I sometimes fear they will turn in to full blown "visions". It just happens on its own as I do not try to envoke them.


--------------------
Astronauts get all the tang they want.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleinfidelGOD
illusion

Registered: 04/18/02
Posts: 3,040
Loc: there
Re: Mystical Experience? [Re: Swami]
    #1715484 - 07/14/03 08:14 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I've had many mystical experiences while sober.

get out of the city, away from all the heads... on a moonless night find a nice quiet spot out in nature under the darkest, clearest skies you can find. we love dark skies... look up at the riotous night sky filled with countless stars, it is exhilarating, yet so serene. there isn't a more beautiful sight in all of nature. it feels as if I'm floating among those stars and in a way, I am. millions live out their lives in the city without ever turning their gaze toward the night sky. seekers, you won't find what you're looking for in the murk of city lights. the mystical experience awaits.

take a drive up to the Sierra Nevadas, we long for the forest. some forests are dark and unfriendly with narled trees in hideous poses. some forests are indifferent. newly seeded and artificial - they lack soul. well, the forests of the High Sierras... they're unique - ancient groves of redwoods, growing straight and tall, brilliant shafts of sunlight streaking through the canopy, you can literally see the light. it's a very friendly and inviting forest. hiking is easy in the shade, though the altitude takes some getting used to. beauty is everywhere. up here. we walk along a misty trail in the shade of giant trees, granite peaks tower above, with many snowcapped peaks rising over 14,000ft. maybe we'll try for some of them. someday. a mystical experience? maybe it's the beauty that we're surrounded by, maybe it's the lack of oxygen at this altitude but we feel giddy and light-headed. and there is just this feeling like something's gonna happen...

driving back down.. what a beatiful drive down the foothills into the farmlands, we could feel the air getting thicker and hotter. our thoughts thicken as well. the light, spontaneous mind giving way to a weightier thought process. the human animal is an entirely different beast down here, we surmise. but we drive on towards the west and the setting sun as the sky glows orange, then red, then purple, then black. driving through the darkness now, up the coastal ranges and as we descend we run into heavy fog and we could smell it now. we could feel it in our bones, the fog, the salty air and soon the sound of waves crashing. the Pacific Ocean. the sound. the gentle waves.. it sounds like someone breathing. the smell. I'll wager it would be recognizable to someone who's never even seen the ocean. it's familiar somehow, it's odd, like childhood memories, I KNOW this smell. the ocean is our home... looking out over the water into the darkness, it blows my mind that here I stand on the edge of a continent and stretched out before me is a body of water that covers half the globe.

it's all too overwhelming at this point. the sights and sounds and smells of nature. the ocean, the trees, the stars are all trying to say something to me. it's like some ancient language of nature that has long since faded into the background noise. the message is clear to me, for a moment, then it fades quickly, like the memory of a dream. try as I might I cannot remember it. but alas, I must return to the city, away from all this, back into the madness, back to the sounds of honking horns, sirens wailing, power lines buzzing loudly and swarms of news copters chasing some nut all across the city. the trip must end. we must get back. the light inside dims, metal and concrete is all I see as I ease back into the machine. fade to gray.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinewietstocker
product ofevolution

Registered: 07/14/03
Posts: 319
Loc: Cranium, PNW
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
Re: Mystical Experience? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1715978 - 07/14/03 10:21 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Every time I climb out of my routine and do something out in the true wilderness I feel true mysticism. Something about disconnecting yourself from the chaos of society makes me feel so primitive, the way life ought to be lived.


--------------------
Echoes


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineMalachi
stereotype

Registered: 06/19/02
Posts: 1,294
Loc: Around Minneapolis.
Last seen: 7 years, 6 months
Re: Mystical Experience? [Re: wietstocker]
    #1716010 - 07/14/03 10:31 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I suppose the end of a long run gets a bit mystical, but I'd prefer to call them peak experiences. just cause I the word mystical to me has totally otherworldly connotations, not just a shift type experience I'm talking about with running or ritual dancing/drumming.



--------------------
The ultimate meaning of our being can only be fulfilled in the paradoxical leap beyond the tragic-demonic frustration. It is a leap from our side, but it is the self-surrendering presence of the Ground of Being from the other side.
- Paul Tillich


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineStrumpling
Neuronaut
Registered: 10/11/02
Posts: 7,571
Loc: Hyperspace
Last seen: 5 years, 6 months
Re: Mystical Experience? [Re: Swami]
    #1716017 - 07/14/03 10:34 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

"Anyone here have a genuine (your defintion) mystical experience NOT on drugs?"

No :wink: :tongue:


--------------------
Insert an "I think" mentally in front of eveything I say that seems sketchy, because I certainly don't KNOW much. Also; feel free to yell at me.
In addition: SHPONGLE


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineAdamist
ℚṲℰϟ✞ЇѺℵ ℛ∃Åʟḯ†У
Male User Gallery

Registered: 11/24/01
Posts: 10,211
Loc: Bloomington, IN
Last seen: 1 year, 9 months
Re: Mystical Experience? [Re: Swami]
    #1716023 - 07/14/03 10:35 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Many childhood experiences. Many sexual experiences. Many experiences in scenic places that contain 'new stimuli'. :smile: I also get mystical experiences when looking at 'normal' things in a completely different way.

Oh, and of course many on drugs.


--------------------
:heartpump: { { { ṧ◎ηḯ¢ αʟ¢ℌ℮мƴ } } } :heartpump:


Edited by Adamist (07/14/03 10:37 PM)


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleDoctorJ
Stranger
 Arcade Champion: Frogger

Registered: 06/30/03
Posts: 8,451
Loc: space
Re: Mystical Experience? [Re: Adamist]
    #1716891 - 07/15/03 02:03 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

had many mystical experiences whilst meditating and completly sober.

had even better mystical experiences whilst meditating and trippin ballz


--------------------
peace, pot, and microdot!


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineRhizoid
carbon unit
Male

Registered: 01/23/00
Posts: 1,718
Loc: Europe
Last seen: 18 days, 7 hours
Re: Mystical Experience? [Re: Swami]
    #1717333 - 07/15/03 05:12 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I have never had sudden and extreme shifts of consciousness without drugs, which is what I would call a "full-blown" mystical experience.

But I have had moments that were accompanied by a "mild" mystic awareness, triggered by synchronisms, observation of the intricate beauty of nature, a mathematical insight, or from that moment in the flow of consciousness when I stop thinking about one thing just before I start thinking about another.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineMarkostheGnostic
Elder
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/10/99
Posts: 12,756
Loc: South Florida
Last seen: 6 hours, 47 minutes
Re: Mystical Experience? [Re: Swami]
    #1717693 - 07/15/03 09:58 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

All the time Swami. Why, I just PM'ed someone with a fairly irreverent fiction. Damned if the post did not go through, and when I hit back, the post was erased. This thing happens infrequently, and always, it seems, when my heart is not in the right place.

This may not sound mystical to you by itself, but it is like the particles of someone elses clothing that got sucked into the barrel of a gun after firing (vacuum), and then blasted out into another victim (from CSI Miami last night). From microscopic fragments (like my above example), an entire 'fabric' of Reality can be discerned. My frequent experience is that GOD is right here with me - like the 1000 eyed Argus in Greek mythology, or better still, like Ezekiel's eye-covered wheels-within-wheels (symbol of omniscience), GOD 'sees' through each of our 'I's.'


--------------------
γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself


Edited by MarkostheGnostic (07/15/03 04:18 PM)


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleSclorch
Clyster

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 07/13/99
Posts: 4,805
Loc: On the Brink of Madness
Re: Mystical Experience? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1717814 - 07/15/03 11:58 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Damned if the post did not go through, and when I hit back, the post was erased.

With my longer posts, I make sure to copy all the text (ctrl-C) before I click continue. It hasn't happened in a while, but it is DAMN annoying.


--------------------
Note: In desperate need of a cure...


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinelucid
Jack's AlteredConsciousness

Registered: 03/29/03
Posts: 6,319
Loc: up on the bidet
Last seen: 3 years, 1 month
Re: Mystical Experience? [Re: Sclorch]
    #1718045 - 07/15/03 02:04 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I used to have experiences that I would consider Mystical.
Times, while meditating or while watching the stunning Landscape
in New England, when everything inside of me would fade away
(my troubles thoughts etc) and all of a sudden I'd have an
overwhelming realization of the stunning beauty that was unfolding
in front of me and the overwhelming realization that "there I was" !
sometimes I'd feel immersed in my environment. Almost always, such
intense and blissful feelings were accompanied by tingling in the
spine upward followed by a jolt of the body/quivering an exquisite
feeling of euphoria (standard adrenaline rush I guess). Once this
state was present it would generally last a while 30 minutes to
an hour or sometimes even blissfully more. Afterwards I'd be left
with a drained peaceful calm, like everything was just right, the
world was beautiful and I was blissfully peaceful. During the
euphoria I would often weep with joy at just how amazing everything
was and how lucky I was to experience it. This was all without any
drugs at all (I've only used mj twice in my life just to experiment
- hated it - and shrooms one... which turned out to be the worse
ongoing nightmare of my life).


--------------------
"no-mind un-thinks no-thought..."


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Jump to top. Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]

Amazon Shop for: Microscope

General Interest >> Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* ESSAY:Psychedelic induced mystical experiences by Alan Watts tekramrepus 1,491 6 03/21/03 01:43 PM
by pattern
* Mystical Experience Survey
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 all )
Silversoul 7,178 102 03/05/06 07:28 PM
by MarkostheGnostic
* Inducing mystical experiences
( 1 2 all )
Metasyn 2,487 22 10/07/02 02:34 AM
by Sclorch
* The Objective Existence of the Mystical Experience
( 1 2 all )
Sclorch 1,840 26 10/19/05 10:03 PM
by psychomime
* Do you own your transpersonal (psychedelic, cosmic, mystical) experiences or do you project them?
( 1 2 3 all )
redtailedhawk 4,501 43 11/07/11 07:09 AM
by Infinitys Minute
* mystical experiences and brain waves..
( 1 2 3 all )
the man 2,886 52 04/20/04 09:18 AM
by TheShroomHermit
* Mysticism And The Chase
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 all )
DiploidM 7,234 154 12/30/05 03:49 AM
by Deviate
* Mysticism - The Ultimate Science Source 1,157 18 04/10/04 01:44 AM
by Swami

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, CosmicJoke, Diploid, DividedQuantum
1,854 topic views. 0 members, 10 guests and 8 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Toggle Favorite | Print Topic | Stats ]
Search this thread:
Everything Mushrooms
Please support our sponsors.

Copyright 1997-2016 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.059 seconds spending 0.001 seconds on 16 queries.