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OfflineNathaniel
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Physical Death
    #423894 - 10/12/01 11:26 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I suggest that there really is no such experience as physical death.
Beings that ostensibly cease to interact within the consciousness of the physical plane are lumped into an arbitrary category we call "physical death". The slumber-ridden consciousness of individuals who acknowledge only the 3D realm produce true hallucinations (that which is perceived by an individual to be an aspect of reality, but that is not acknowledged by the general populace) to compensate for their inability to interact on a cognizant level with the afore mentioned beings. These true hallucinations become common. Subsequently, resulting in the perception that there are physical bodies that have ceased vital functionality and therefore need to be put in the ground, burned, or left on a hill for the vultures. This pattern infiltrates the human condition until almost absolute acceptance is attained. The human condition is then afflicted with a potent psychosis. Pattern begets more pattern of the same orientation.
I venture to suggest this scenario is akin to the perception that someone is asleep. "Don't wake them...they are asleep", or "they are dreaming." We have allowed this notion of "sleep" and this conjuring of "dreaming" to pervade the human condition. Although these beings are simply passing through and experiencing extra dimensions we entertain a tedious process to maintain the illusion that someone is dreaming and then curtail any involvement with this being of travel and tend to our "waking" routines. Ah...so much drama.
Since the faculty of time is an arbitrary concept as well we should be able to dismiss the contributing effects it has on this psychosis. If we could comprehend that time does not exist (except within the limited reference frames delineated for equations within physics) then we would realize that the body (which may better be described as field and has not received proper definition yet) never really degrades. It can't. There is no linear progression that commands it to do so. Time wielding threat of decay is another aspect of the dementia.
The human condition has provided the intervention of the severely traumatic experience or ego death as a metaphor that will hopefully inscribe the budding pattern that will perpetuate itself and cure the human condition. This alternative to the metaphor that stands now as "physical death" would instil a discernable method to develop a collective awareness that is not stricken with such a menacing psychosis. Psychedelics (as well as meditation, ritual, etc.) are an open circuit to the death transcendence experience. At this point what has been deemed the "human condition" should be addressed as the "life condition". With psychoactive plants/fungus taking part in this restoration it has to be considered that life itself has a collective (un)consciousness (communicating through the common computational regenerative, DNA).
Suggesting that the collective (un)conscious essence of life has a psychosis that it is attempting to reconcile by intervening with its human level by ecstatic treatment induced by psychedelics or breath work might sound good if you are Freud, Jung, or Grof. However, it is merely conjecture conveyed through the inadequate medium of word which is just a metaphor of a metaphor. Words will revolve one infinitely, but absolute resolve will ultimately escape its grasp.
But why stop there? The animate/inanimate must mesh at some degree of order. The animate/inanimate, (un)conscious ubermind is thinking some bizarre possibilities.
Oh well...its just a thought.
But that is all anything is...maybe.

"The most common hallucination is making a distinction between states of consciousness."

"Nothing will be answered by questions."


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Re: Physical Death [Re: Nathaniel]
    #425836 - 10/15/01 01:17 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Wow! I really like the concepts, although I'm only retaining a small amount of it... A word that comes to mind is 'Maya', the illusory world, or, mass hallucination in mass psycosis. I think this details why there's so much EVIL in the world... getting into 'materialism' and who I am is 'material' and me is mine, therefore the many things we posses are metaphors for 'me', so there are crazy fights and insane wars over our 3D hallucinations psycotically thinking the delusion that what our stuff is, IS us (the collective 'me'). Best I could put it.


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Re: Physical Death [Re: Nathaniel]
    #425850 - 10/15/01 01:32 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I once heard an interesting concept about inanimate objects. Perhaps they are indeed alive, but live with a metabolism far slower than our own perception can determine. Perhaps one breath every 100 years. No human could discern whether it was alive or not if it moved this slowly. An interesting thought indeed.

I agree. Death is only in the mind, so is reality. Reality only exists within an individual mind, and cannot be blanketed over the entire populace. There are far more realms than those we see with our eyes or other 5 senses. The physical world is just a mere portion of what exists.


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Re: Physical Death [Re: Nathaniel]
    #426077 - 10/15/01 08:11 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I suggest that there really is no such experience as physical death.

Perhaps you should stand in front of an oncoming train, then come back and present your case..

This pattern infiltrates the human condition until almost absolute acceptance is attained. The human condition is then afflicted with a potent psychosis. Pattern begets more pattern of the same orientation.

Ummm, animals and plants die, yet they have not been preconditioned to, so this argument has no validity whatsoever.

Lenoard Orr has been laying out his physical immortality rap for 25 years. Funny, but he looks no different than any other 60 year old as regards to aging.

Your thoughts are just another impotent way to deal with the fear of death. Nice try though.



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Re: Physical Death [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
    #426084 - 10/15/01 08:16 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Death is only in the mind, so is reality. Reality only exists within an individual mind, and cannot be blanketed over the entire populace.

This reminds me of an old story where two philosophers are walking down the road talking. Philosopher A says reality is just an illusion. Upon hearing this philosopher B picks up a hefty rock and cracks philosopher A in the head.

Philosopher A reels back in pain and shock, "What the hell did you do that for?" he shouts. Philosopher B calmy replies," Ah, don't mind that, it was only an illusion."


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Re: Physical Death [Re: Swami]
    #426152 - 10/15/01 10:44 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

:smile:


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Re: Physical Death [Re: Swami]
    #426167 - 10/15/01 10:58 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I'm glad someone out there can post euphamatically.


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