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 mista_grinch
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hey swami....its too bad you are so close-minded, maybe someday you will evolve...until then continue to live your sheltered life with the remaining sheep...
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The word "God," is made-up, and has different meanings, like "Gomer-Oz-Dabar" in Freemasonry, but Ultimate Reality is not made up. Ultimate Reality is That which is Ultimately Real. It has ben formulated into thoughts and words, which are "made up," or better yet, 'wisely chosen,' with the intention of guiding people to an Experience of Ultimate Reality. 'Ultimately,' nothing will 'save you,' in an existential, day-to-day sense, or 'save you' in a spiritual, ontological (being) sense, except a truly religious Experience. Just how one arrives at such an experience is the question, but it is clear to those in-the-Know, that This alone will provide someone with meaning in life, and answer questions that can never be satisfied by mere verbal responses. What you are missing in your existence, quite clearly, is the Experience of AWE.
Awe alone constitutes a religious experience. If you stumbled upon a famous, modern sex goddess bathing in the woods, the Greeks would have no doubt that you encountered a manifestation of the Goddess of Love, Aphrodite. But seek as one might, it is better to focus on the ONE, the omniscient God that is available to all of us in any minute that we leave psychological time behind. The Muslims say He is closer to us than our jugular vein; the Christians say that like a fish in water, 'In God we live and move, and have our being.' Pick up a copy of BE HERE NOW, or read 'The Power of Now.' These books will direct you to the Present. Who and What you Name This Reality is your choice - but God exists eternally - prior to space-time, before humanity and its religions. 'Greater than the Greatest - Smaller than the Smallest,' say the Upanishads. The Infinitely large and Infinitesmally small lose their meaning in Infinity. Find 'It' between your heartbeats, in your Center - God is there also.
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AnimalChin
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I think it is rather foolish for people to think that after they die there will be nothing else, Be it in mind or body. I have felt, dreamed, seen, thought, learned too much to dismiss it as nothing. Even thinking from day to day, constantly thinking, about things objects, ideas, people, everything..... The brain, conchesness is involved and complex. If everyone went around talking based souly on facts we would all end up like Murple.. 
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AnimalChin wrote:
I think it is rather foolish for people to think that after they die there will be nothing else,
Oh wise one, why is it foolish for people to doubt the existence of something when they have no proof? What is the source of your superior knowledge?
What is wrong with facts? Do you feel facts don't count because you're unable to produce any?
Why should others believe something because you felt, dreamt or thought it? Why are some fools because they don't base their beliefs on wishful thinking or ancient texts of ignorant stone age people? What specifically have you seen, what evidence do you have of an existence after death? Have you proof of a spirit moving away from a corpse? If so, what is it?
AnimalChin wrote:
The brain, conchesness is involved and complex. If everyone went around talking based souly on facts we would all end up like Murple..
What do the words "conchesness" and "souly" mean? Maybe I'm foolish when it comes to the English language, but I can't find them in the dictionary. Can you enlighten me?
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 Sclorch
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mista_grinch: hey swami....its too bad you are so close-minded, maybe someday you will evolve...until then continue to live your sheltered life with the remaining sheep...
I think it is more close-minded to resort to personal attacks the moment you run into opposition. Children do that... grow up.
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 Re: Death  [Re: Sclorch]
#684832 - 06/17/02 07:39 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is it not any less childish or close-minded to call another's experiences bullshit?
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Boppity604
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Re: Death [Re: ]
#685054 - 06/18/02 01:42 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have to agree. Even though Swami's beliefs vary greatly from mine...that doesn't make either one of us any better than the other. I've seen all the proof I need to believe what I believe. I was atheist for a long time in the beginning of my life. I've had too many spiritual experiences since that time though to be atheist any more. And I'm not talking about drugs. So if someone wants to believe something other than what you believe...they have every right to!  As long as people respect each other and don't try to force their beliefs on another person, they have my total support and respect...even if their beliefs are completely opposite than mine.
Love & Light,
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Sclorch
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Re: Death [Re: ]
#685601 - 06/18/02 08:03 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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*Shroomism is cross-referencing threads... easy to get lost here, so I noted it.*
Is it not any less childish or close-minded to call another's experiences bullshit?
Not when they're just outright LYING.
Of course you'll probably try to retort with: "If they THINK it is true, are they really lying?"
Then I'll have to say: "Yup."
So, I just saved myself (and you) some time by cutting to the chase with a one word explanation, in this case that word was bullshit.
{see the thread "Learning to go out of the body (without drugs)"}
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