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DNA upgrades
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Excuse me if this article has been posted before...
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CELLULAR CHANGES

DNA Upgrades

Dr Berrenda Fox provides evidence of DNA and cellular changes in this
article by Patricia Resch. Dr Fox is the holistic practicioner of the

Avalon Wellness
Centre in Mt Shasta, California.
The Avalon Clinic represents the re-emergence of the ideal of healing as practised on the original Isle of Avalon. Dr Fox has proven through blood tests that some people have actually developed new strands of DNA.


PR: Berrenda, tell us a little about your background.

BF: 1 have doctorates in physiology and naturopathy. During my training in Europe I also was involved with the media and this still continues in film and management. As you know, I'm working with FOX Television Network to bring about understanding of extraterrestrials and their role in what is happening with mankind at this time. The most well known are 'Sightings' and 'The X Files'.

PR: What are the changes that are happening at this time on the planet, and how are our bodies being affected?

BF: There are major changes, mutations that haven't occurred, according to geneticists, since the time we supposedly came out of the water. Several years ago in Mexico City there was a convention of geneticists from around the world, and the main topic was the DNA change. We are making an evolutionary change, yet we don't know what we are changing into.

PR: How is our DNA changing?

BF: Everyone has one double helix of DNA. What we are finding is that there are other helixes that are being formed. In the double helix there are two strands of DNA coiled into a spiral.

It is my understanding that we will be developing twelve helixes. During this time, which seems to have started maybe 5 to 20 years
ago, we have been mutating.

This is the scientific explanation. It is a mutation of our species into something for which the end result is not yet known.

The changes are not known publicly, because the scientific community feels it would frighten the population.

However, people are changing at the cellular level. I am working with three children right now who have three DNA helixes.

Most people know and feel this. Many religions have talked about the change and know it will come about in different ways.

We know it is a positive mutation even though physically, mentally, and emotionally it can be misunderstood and frightening.

PR: Are these children displaying any characteristics different from other children?

BF: These are children who can move objects across the room just by
concentrating on them, or they can fill glasses of water just by looking at them. They're telepathic. You would almost think by
knowing these children that they are half angelic or superhuman, but they're not. I think they are what we are growing into during the next few decades.

PR: Do you think this will happen to all of us?

BR: Our immune and endocrine systems are the most evident of
these changes. That is one of the reasons I work with research in
immunological testing and therapy.

Some adults that I have tested actually do have another DNA helix forming. Some are even getting their third. These people are going through a lot of major shifts in their consciousness and physical bodies, because it is all one.

In my opinion, the Earth and everyone here is raising its vibration.
Many of the children born recently have bodies that are magnetically lighter.

Those of us that are older and choose to change have to go through many physical changes.

PR: What causes change in bodies born with normal two strand DNA?

BF: The easiest way to mutate our DNA is through a virus. Consequently
viruses are not necessarily bad.

Viruses live only on living tissue. DNA viruses like Epstein Barr and
the Herpes #6 change cellular structure.

The retro virus HIV is not a DNA virus. Instead of mutating the body, it actually eats it up.

Most people who go through this process and come out the other side
have a new profession, a new way of thinking, or at least a starting of a new way of life. Even though they may feel really sick, tired, or
hopeless at times, it is a gift.

They are being given a chance to change their DNA structure and their
body into a lighter, healthier body that can see them into the next
generation.

The angels that are being seen are signs that we are shifting.
As I understand it, we have until about 2012 to complete this process.

PR: What other changes should we expect to see?

BF: There will be no disease, we will not need to die. We will be able to learn our lessons not through suffering but through joy and love.
The old system has to crumble away, and is not doing that without putting up a big fight. So you have all the wars; a lot of the
medical type of healing is not working; the government is not working.
A lot of the old paradigms can no longer exist, yet are fighting to be
maintained, but there is no doubt that it is changing.

Those of us who have chose to live at this time are the forerunners of
almost a new species. It is human, yet we are at the same time actually manifesting heaven on Earth.

We are receiving extra help from masters and extraterrestrials, angelic beings, and learning to go inward.

The more we are able to go in and listen to that quiet voice, the more we are in tune with the changes that are happening.

PR: What are some of the side effects of these changes?

BF: With a cellular change you are sometimes going to feel as though you are not here. You may feel exhaustion, because we are literally changing cells and becoming new beings. Like a new baby, you may need lots of rest.

Mental confusion and not being able to concentrate on routine tasks may happen as we are being programmed for something larger.
Aches and pains throughout the body for which there is no specific cause are common.

Many people feel as though they are going crazy. If they go into an orthodox medical office, most likely they will be put on Prozac, because they can't define what it is.

It is difficult for the medical profession because they are not used to dealing with the energy body.

Because the chakras are related to our endocrine system, women will go
through hormonal changes.

There may be crying without knowing why because crying releases hormones.

Many women are going through menopause earlier because we are accelerating.

Men may be very frustrated with the exhaustion when they are used to being very active. They may feel their feminine side coming out because this is the intuitive side. The emotional therapy that has been coming out in the last 20 to 30 years has been speeded up with new techniques for these changes.

We are actually doing a tremendous amount of emotional work in a
very short time which would have taken thousands of years.

PR: How do you you treat someone who is going through these changes?

BF: I approach it from the viewpoint of working with individual beings
instead of treating a disease, 'Doctor' in Latin means educator..
The only effective service you can perform as a true healer is to
empower individuals with the necessary tools and reassure them
that what is happening is real, and that they can heal and be
free of the 'negative' symptoms while healing.

First, I require immunological testing that is not traditionally done.
This is a blood laboratory test performed by an advanced
specialty research lab.

Then I give the patient the information themselves.
This is much like a map of the changes so they can have the power to heal.

I am not the healer but only an instrument in their individual healing process.

There is power in a person looking at their own blood tests and seeing
the map of what is going on in their bodies that causes something to click in the subconscious.

The real key is that the person take responsibility and do their own work.

What I use as tools are not commonly used. I use a lot of Organotherapy, which is a glandular treatment from Europe, to build up the hormonal system to accept the changes in the DNA. Also, I use homeopathy to work on the energetic body, vitamins, herbs, and cold laser therapy.

The therapy depends entirely on individual needs.

Much of what I do has been accessed from those whom I would call older
sisters and brothers who have gone on before us.

They are from other solar systems that we have all come from to help this planet with its transition.

PR: How do you see your work evolving?

BF: I look at my work as a bridge or transition. It is both scientific and artistic. Healing is an art and a science. Using only science or just the art of healing is not enough for complete health.

I don't think I will be a healer all my life because I believe disease will be eliminated. We as conscious people will eliminate disease and suffering.

DNA AND BODY CHANGES AND REMEDIES Extracted from an article
'The Bigger Picture' by Susanna Thorpe-Clark We are being changed
physically from carbon-based beings with 2 strands of DNA into crystalline beings with 1,024 strands of DNA (eventually), because only crystalline substances can exist on higher dimensional levels.
We are in fact having our bodies merged with Sirian DNA strands,
as this format is close enough to our own to be able to integrate
with relatively little side effects.

It is not just we humans who are changing, but all life forms on Earth are becoming crystalline. All the fish in the sea, the flowers and trees in your garden, the birds in the sky, even your pet dog or cat.
Everything is changing. Nothing will die or be destroyed, for we are all moving together into a new state of being.

This new state of being requires therefore that we physically, mentally and emotionally let go of 3rd dimensional concepts.
Just as in death, the letting go is a major part of the change process, for one cannot take the old values and way of being into a new completely different afterlife. So the progression through changes compels us to let go of current relationships, jobs, careers, homes, possessions, and so on, if they are unable to support our new way of being.

Is it any wonder therefore, that there is a great deal of anxiety and fear being felt because these changes are already in progress, even though most people are not conscious of it.

Also, the changes to our physiological makeup are currently
speeding up and there are many temporary physical symptoms that are
occurring in our bodies as a consequence of this.

Some of these are:
- Flu-like symptoms - high temperatures, sweating, aching bones and joints
etc, but which do not respond to antibiotics.
- Migraine headaches - severe pain that is not relieved with pain killers.
- Occasional diarrhoea.
- Occasional runny nose - with sneezing which lasts 24 hours and is not a
cold or hayfever.
- Dizziness
- Ringing in the ears
- Heart palpitations
- Feeling the whole body vibrate - especially at ni ght when one is in a
relaxed state.
- Intense muscle spasms - plus pain in the body, often the back.
- Tingling - in arms, hands, legs or feet.
- Loss of muscular power - in hands, caused by changes in circulation
system.
- Occasional breathing difficulties - and/or noticing stronger or louder
breathing when in a relaxed state.
- Immune system changes
- Lymphatic system changes
Feeling tired - or exhausted from minor exertion.
- Wanting to sleep - longer and more often than normal.
- Toe nails and hair growing quicker than normal.
- Bouts of depression for no real reason.
- Delving into the past - and looking at relationships, gaining clarity on
personal issues.
- Feeling of a huge purge
- Tension, anxiety and high stress levels - because one feels that something
is going on but doesn't know what it is.

Some of these symptoms are being felt by a great many people. Many are
rushing off in panic to their doctor, chiropractor, herbalist, and so on, and are usually told that there is nothing wrong with them.
And this is the truth. For all these symptoms are just temporary and simply indicate that these physiological changes are occurring.
Some of the RECOMMENDED RELIEF REMEDIES for the above are:

Go with the flow, don't fight it. If you feel tired and exhausted, rest and get plenty of sleep. Drink lots of water for you are detoxifying and dehydrating quicker than usual. To relieve emotional tension and stress levels take Valerian.

Fenugreek relieves stress on the lymphatic system and helps the detoxification.

To relieve muscle spasm take Valerian and try mud baths or a long, hot soak in a bath to which you add a cup of Epsom salts. Do this daily.
Rocognise that even if you are having heart palpitations or breathing
difficulties that it is the heart chakra or the throat chakra.that is unblocking and that the symptoms are temporary.

You aren't dying, just changing! However, don't just take my word for it.

Seek medical guidance if you are unsure.

If you don't know where to get Valerian or Fenugreek, try a health food store or better still, simply say the name in your head
when you need relief. All healing energies are transmitted via the sound of the name and are just as effective said in the mind
or aloud, as in physically taking them. Try it and see.

Ask your angel guides to help relieve any pain. They are just waiting to be asked ! Most symptoms seem to last a couple of weeks, then clear up. Some symptoms may recur from time to time.

These changes are not neccessarily being experienced by everyone
concurrently. A very small percentage of adults have already completed the entire change into crystalline form and now embody 1,024 strands of DNA. One report is of a woman who has grown 3 inches taller and a footsize larger. All children under the age of 7 have also now completed the change, or will shortly do so. Babies born in the past 2 years have all been born with the full set of DNA. Some people are only just starting to move through these changes, and many others have yet to start.

This process of change is known as the Awakening, or as the Ascension process, or known as achieving the Merkabah, or light body.
We need to transcend our fears and learn about love, real love, which has to start with the self. Because, until we can love and trust ourself, We cannot truly love or trust anything or anybody else.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: 3eyes]
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Please,


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: 3eyes]
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S&P is accommodating lots of
comic book science:
bunk ideas that seem to flash
credentials so fast that
the undiscriminating have no idea
how to defend themselves from the carnival.

I think people do leave school too early.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: 3eyes]
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Quote:
If you don't know where to get Valerian or Fenugreek, try a health food store or better still, simply say the name in your head
when you need relief. All healing energies are transmitted via the sound of the name and are just as effective said in the mind
or aloud, as in physically taking them. Try it and see.



LSD! LSD! LSD!  :evil:


Sorry man, the article seems like doodoocaca to me. Ideas are referential because you make your own reality. If you retract your roots from the outside world too much in a voluntary or involuntary way, you can take off on a reality that isn't shared by others and which may be called delusional, like I think happened to the interviewed dude.

If the double helix was being supplemented by a multifold thereof I would see it on the TV, in the newspaper, on the Web, by Email, on chat and from all corners of real life.
Its an unproven statement. The Mists of Avalon is a good movie and even a better book tho :heart:


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Omnicyclion.org
personal empowerment for the world

:nyan: LGBT - Love God Before Tradition :nyan:

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Asante]
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triple DNA helix is not even stable theoretically
it is only double since chains of nucleotides can crosslink in
balanced pairs. There are no balanced triples in chains or not.
this is not an arena for non-experts to even bet on like the old cock fights, it is utterly ludicrous to march one's beliefs about such stuff, but then again George W Bush is actually running for president again and many clothes wearing God fearing Americans are likely to vote for him.
which is a lot like betting on fighting chickens.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: redgreenvines]
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Triple helix mutations lead to various diseases.


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"...yet another in a long series of diversions an attempt to avoid responsibility."

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Viaggio]
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oy

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Evolving]
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If we applied your criterion then 80% of S&P posts would have to be deleted.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Swami]
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Bullshit is in the eye of the beholder :grin:


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Omnicyclion.org
personal empowerment for the world

:nyan: LGBT - Love God Before Tradition :nyan:

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Asante]
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Uh huh. Then we should purge the words: "lie, error, fabrication, hyperbole, falsehood, fantasy, distortion, misinterpretation, etc."  from the English language as all views presented have equal validity...  :rolleyes:

Let's endorse all untested medical modalities and just do away with science and murder trials and any form of study or search for some truths.

Puh-lease.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Swami]
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Ya'll's just jealous 'cos yer DNA's still sleepin' :razz:


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"...yet another in a long series of diversions an attempt to avoid responsibility."

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Viaggio]
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Know where I can buy a DNA alarm clock?


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: 3eyes]
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"BF: 1 have doctorates in physiology and naturopathy...I'm working with FOX Television Network to bring about...'Sightings' and 'The X Files'."

I have removed the unimportant parts from that first response :wink: :grin:


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Swami]
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:lol: Ask Dr. Berrenda Fox.


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"...yet another in a long series of diversions an attempt to avoid responsibility."

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Swami]
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I merely suggested that your proposal to delete 80% of Spir & Phil on grounds on BS content is highly dependant on what somebody considers BS.

In my view forums are a potpourri of all sorts of opinions and the idea is that theres something for everyone, rather then a treasure trove of higher knowledge.

You know truths are highly subjective. The main thing on forums is to exchange ideas and deleting 80% of ideas because they are deemed BS isn't my idea of what a forum should be like.


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Omnicyclion.org
personal empowerment for the world

:nyan: LGBT - Love God Before Tradition :nyan:

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Asante]
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You know truths are highly subjective.

This statement is a prime example of B.S.

I do NOT know that at all. Beliefs are subjective, but truth is not subject to human whims. A divine creator either exists or he does not; Atlantis either was a historical place or it was not; either our consciousness continues after death or it does not.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Swami]
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damn, are you sitting on a thumbtack? you come off a bit hostile..

Truth is debatable. The jury isnt out on the existance of such a thing as an absolute truth. It would be tremendously comforting if 1+1=2 and not 1+1=1 in the same reality but we are not sure we even got a single point of reference, if a scientist says so and doesnt deliver he has crossed the border to a dogmatic.
Like superstrings its doubtful if a rocksolid truth can ever be proven by experiment as in case of Truth we have none we are sure of.

We only have likelynesses to go by. It is likely apples always fall to earth just as it is likely that calling somebodies statement BS is rude.


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Omnicyclion.org
personal empowerment for the world

:nyan: LGBT - Love God Before Tradition :nyan:

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Swami]
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Whats the square root of -1?

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Asante]
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you come off a bit hostile..

Please point to the line that (falsely - as usual) leads you to believe this.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
It is likely apples always fall to earth



Have any of you heard about, seen, or experienced first hand the Oregon gravity anomoly or the gravity hill in Baltimore, and there are more in other locations. Gravity works strangly in these places, balls roll up hill as do cars parked in neutral.

A taller person looks shorter next to some one who is actually shorter. Sticks standing stright up perpendicular to earth look crooked. Its wild. You can go to these places and experience it for yourself. The oregon one is in a national park. I'd like to go visit it soon.


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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This is an optical illusion, not a gravitational anomaly.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: 3eyes]
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"Whats the square root of -1?"

i


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Swami]
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Quote:
You know truths are highly subjective.

This statement is a prime example of B.S.




Quote:
you come off a bit hostile..

Please point to the line that (falsely - as usual) leads you to believe this.





Will you please explain to me how you came to the conclusion it is usual for me to harbor false beliefs?

I usually warn people when their fly is open to avoid them being embarassed in public by their own absent-mindedness.
Swami: your fly is open.


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Omnicyclion.org
personal empowerment for the world

:nyan: LGBT - Love God Before Tradition :nyan:

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Swami]
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The magnetic fields in these spheres run different from the earths magnetic poles.  It is a photographable phenomonenon that can be experienced by ANYONE.
If you can't go to oregons vortex yourself to experience it first hand, there are dozens of web sites with photos and articles. Science knows the magnetic fields are different, they don't know why these spheres exist around the world or how they are generated.

Just like the statue of liberty, it is something you can visit and see for yourself and your camera can capture it too.  :whoa:

Someone should plan a shroomery gathering there! I'd go to that one Kaiowas! :wink:


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Asante]
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Still see no evidence of hostility.

Will you please explain to me how you came to the conclusion it is usual for me to harbor false beliefs?

Please reread as that is not what I said.

Telling someone else what they think ("You know truths are highly subjective.") is not only very poor debating form, but is inaccurate. The "usual" part of my response relates to the numerous times that posters have attempted to peer into my psyche and are almost ALWAYS wrong. This does not surprise me as psychic powers cannot be demonstrated.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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in high school we learn about gravity hills
the optical illusion is all wind in the trees
which way is up
look at the tree tops
hmmm.
when did treetops define gravity?

what spheres are being photographed in oregon?

I got chickenfriedsteak there with bacon eggs and homefries once for breakfast - nice!
BTW i was driving home from a conference in LA when the planes were grounded in sept 2001.
I used 1/4 tab of acid, and when it was my turn at the wheel I really did think I was going down hill when I was going up hill. That was exhausting.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: redgreenvines]
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The optical illusion is that someone who is in fact shorter then another can appear taller in this field.

A ball can roll up a slant relative to the planets gravitational field and this can be phographed and filmed. That is an anomoly relative to earths gravitational pull.

Who said anything about tree tops defining gravity?

The spheres are the field where the magnetic poles are measurably different from the planets poles. You can not photograph the filed of energy, you can film and photograph the "perceptual illusions" and anamolies.

Cameras are not on acid when they film these events, however, your acid trip story was funny. :wink: My husbands got some good ones about he and his friends as teens driving in car feeling like they were going 120 and were pulled over for doing 10 in a 55 mph lane.

I've never done acid, I would freak out.


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Viaggio]
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Hi Viaggio

I'm curious to know what sort of diseases?

-3eyes

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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A ball can roll up a slant relative to the planets gravitational field and this can be phographed and filmed. Cameras are not on acid when they film these events

Sorry Jiggy, but you are passing off yet another myth as factual. How can a camera record a gravitational field? This would be a physics' milestone.

There is a mystery spot in Santa Cruz, CA that I went to and investigated. The anomaly is only perceptual.

To General Audience: Who will take me up on a Swami Mystery Spot Challenge?


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Swami]
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If it involves free dining and accomodations, count me in :smile:


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Swami]
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Quote:
Swami said:
To General Audience: Who will take me up on a Swami Mystery Spot Challenge?



Would that be the 'gee spot'?


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Swami]
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A camera can not record a gravitational field or a magnetic field, I never said it could and I agree. I said, it can record a ball rolling up hill. It can record physical objects reacting within a gravitational or magnetic field. How literal do I need to get to convey this?

A camera can't record the energy of anger, but it can record the actions of a person reacting to it.

The magnetic poles are measurably different from the planets North and South poles at the spot in Oregon.

I am not familiar with the one in Santa Cruz.


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Swami]
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My apologies to 3eyes. We are suppose to be discussing in a thread what the post was about it and I have learned not to discuss DNA at the shroomeries S&P forum.


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Well maybe you mean something besides DNA. Or atlest offer some sort of suggestion as to how a double-helix nucleic acid can become crystalline within a living organism...

I mean it's not the idea of acension most people have a problem with, it's just the choice of language. It's like me asking for pizza at a dry cleaner's and then acting surprised when they tell me I don't make sense.


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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You know, there's a Science and Technology forum, there's a Spirituality and Philosophy forum, but there is no Pseudo and Junk Science forum. Perhaps we should ask the administration to make such a forum where we can place things such as this, crop circle stories, alien anal probe stories and the like.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: deff]
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Nucleic acid, crystaline, dry cleaners and pizza and I'm never discussing DNA HERE again.  :tongue:

Your dry cleaner doesn't serve pizza?


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: 3eyes]
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Doh!  My mistake.  I mixed up triple helix with triplet repeats.  Repeats, or expansions, in DNA ruin the transcription to create various protiens (etc), which results in diseases.  My bad...  :crazy:


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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only on sundays


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Swami]
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get jiggy with it,
apology accepted :smile:

swarmi,

well thanks for stating your mental position on this dna upgrading issue. I'm not going to turn around and try to convince you that i'm right or you're wrong. Speaking only for myself here, I don't really trust alot of the scientists who educates us in text book because they are operating on a 3d frame of learning as a result i find their so called stated conclusions too limited in terms of understanding.

3 eyes.

Please tread lightly i'm a mellow and sensitive individual

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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A camera can not record a gravitational field or a magnetic field, I never said it could

A ball can roll up a slant relative to the planets gravitational field and this can be phographed and filmed.

Uh huh.


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Swami]
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I don't see where he claims that the gravitational field is being recorded. We can't directly percieve gravity, and he obviously knows this. Man, what happened to you when you left?

As for this ball rolling up hill, I'm kind of curious as to where you saw this. I don't really doubt it's possible, and the whole thing should be intriguing. I'd have to go and see it for myself with my eyes though to believe it.

Berrenda Fox sounds pretty loopy to me. Physiology and naturopathy... Do either of these have to do with DNA? Physiology as far as I know doesn't. And what's naturopathy anyways... Sounds like it could be cool, or like it could be lame, but definitely doesn't sound like anything to do with DNA.


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: entiformatie]
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naturopathy as per the skeptic's dictionary: http://skepdic.com/natpathy.html
Nothing about DNA in naturopathy/

btw, I looked up more on physiology, it does in fact deal with DNA. But I still think this lady is full of shit.


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Edited by entiformatie (09/29/04 08:40 AM)

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: entiformatie]
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Yeah, his need to argue with me is so intense, he is making up stuff. I think he is cracking, and may be on the verge of a spiritual breakthrough.  :rotfl: :thanx:


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Edited by redgreenvines (09/29/04 10:04 AM)

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Got links about that funky gravity stuff?

edit: heh, you posted that while i was posting. thanks for the links :-)

Edited by entiformatie (09/29/04 10:23 AM)

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: redgreenvines]
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I was gonna say you'd probably feel the gravitational affect all weird and shit if it was that, but apparently it's just optical illusions. Weird how people commercialize and bank off of other people on something like this. Sick too.


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: redgreenvines]
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The first and second link you posted are not about the Oregon spot. The story about the horses was funny in the first one. What did you find on the one in Oregon? That's the one I saw a TV show about and it looked hella weird.


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: 3eyes]
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The only avenues which will lead to DNA upgrades that I can think of are gene therapy and genetic engineering, which I hope to play a role in some day.  Trendal's post regarding "transhumans" touches some of my perspective on the wonder of biotechnology and what it may lead our species to.

"Science Rules!"  -Bill Nye  :finger:

"BILL!  BILL!  BILL!  BILL!  BILL!"


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from http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/178_backwards.shtm [Re: Viaggio]
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The most celebrated US site of anomalous gravity is the Oregon Vortex on Sardine Creek Road, Gold Hill, Oregon, allegedly known to Native Americans as ?the Forbidden Ground? because no birds nested there and horses got spooked every time they came near it. Perspective seems to go awry, bouncing balls behave erratically, and compasses malfunction. The Vortex has operated as a roadside attraction since the early 20th century. The proprietor explains it as an ?anti-gravitational electromagnetic field? affecting a circular area 165ft (50m) across. Sceptics insist it?s all an optical illusion. Paris (TX) News, 28 Sept 1977; Grants Pass (OR) Daily Courier, 9 Mar 1987; New Scientist, 28 Nov 1992; Sunday Oregonian, 23 Nov 1997

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Re: from http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/178_backwards.shtm [Re: redgreenvines]
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Thank you for posting that RED. I would like to visit it some day for fun.


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: entiformatie]
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I don't see where he claims that the gravitational field is being recorded.

How can something be photographed relative to something that cannot be seen on film? Please explain.


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Swami]
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sony mavica gravograms of course

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Yeah, his need to argue with me is so intense

Your love to personalize is...

I have not the slightest feelings for or against you. However, your posts all-too-frequently post non-facts as factual and I do have a BIG problem with that.

Hiring Frog as an escrow agent, I will put up a large sum of money against anyone elses' equal sum and fly to a mystery spot of choice for a Swami Challenge with judges to be agreed upon.

I ALWAYS back up my claims and am the only here with the cajones to do so.


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Swami]
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I mentioned a site that is said to have these qualities and a television show was done on it. The claims were made on the show and they were filmed and you can go visit the place and experience it for yourself. I have never been there. I asked if anyone here knew of this place.

This is normal conversational material swami. If you have a problem with the claims m,ade by the propriators of this place and the scientists who are researching it, then they are the ones you have a problem with.

I have never even been there. I brought up what I knew about it and asked if others knew anything. You havn't been there either. i didn't posts anything as fact. Anyone can read what i wrote and what I wrote is that you can film a ball rolling up hill, (what up is relative to I have no idea) but you can you do it. Compasses do not work there as the magnetic field is off from earths. I don't know why it is but I am sure that there is a scientific explaination for it.

I am sure that everything that happens there can be scientifically explained if not now, soon.

But does that mean, we can't enjoy the curiousity of these places that can mess with percpetion so severely? Thats what shrooms are all about, they change percpetion and people enjoy the experience and curiousities of it.

You're saying I did something that I never did if you would re-read my words with clarity as you are reading into them way to much. Science being able to explain how a ball can roll up hill isn't what this is about. This is about being able to witness and film a ball perceptually going up hill.

Whatever debate you think you are enganged in with non existant material, YOU WIN IT! :grin: :thumbup:


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Anyone can read what i wrote and what I wrote is that you can film a ball rolling up hill...

The "up" part is the inaccuracy.


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Swami]
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Swami's correct on this one, as without the gravitational field as a reference, there's no way to determine direction relative to it.

As for the magnetic hill in moncton, new brunswick... went there once many years back and have to say it is pretty convincing. But, the truth remains that it is no more than a clever optical illusion, as the ground appears to be flat when really it is sloped down, giving the impression that - relative to the ground, you are travelling uphill when really it's downhill. Fun, but nothing metaphysical :smile:


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Swami]
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Yes, I totally agree with you that up is relative. What makes this place interesting is that to the eye and camera, it appears to be up.

If you don't find this interesting, thats okay. I did and I wanted to share it.

Thank you for inspiring a new sig! I am not here to make anyone beleive anything. As your sig says, think before you beleive. I agree!


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: Swami]
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Heh, you're right about the relativity thing. I thought you were referring to something else.

Is it still considered rolling uphill if its rolling down uphill? I'm still trying to grasp this whole optical illusion concept, lol. Is the person at a slant (but not a noticeable one), and that's why the hill seems to be going up?


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: entiformatie]
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The ground outside of the "hill" is slanted down, as is the hill itself although to a much lesser degree. So, relative to the ground (one assumes it's flat), the "hill" appears to be slanted up.

\_ <- that's a very bad diagram, but picture the slash as being the "flat ground". Relative to that, the flat underscore would appear as being uphill.


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: entiformatie]
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I believe that at some of these spots, the trees grow at an angle, possibly due to high winds. We assume that they grow perpendicular to the gravity field, hence the illusion.


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: entiformatie]
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Well, I'm glad we are all on the same page now and it feels like the one I started from and I'm glad you guys can appreciate the curiousity, fun and wierdness of this.

I see where some confusion lied, I was brining up claims made by other sources and they were being personalized to me as if I had been there and was making the first hand claim myself.

I'm reading wiccan say, "it's likely the apple will fall from the tree" and my next thought was, but it might be falling up and then I thought of the Oregon place and posted about it. My mind is wierd like that and so am I but no harm intended in it.

I mean, the story about the one in baltimore is funny. To see horses struggling going "percpetually" 'down hill and then piling up on top of each other going perceptually up hill is a riot. Thats some wierd ass funny shit.

This one in Oregon gets more wierd as Red was kind enough to add info about it. Check out the photos at this link, I saw the same demonstration on the TV show and more. In some places, you can lean and not fall like you would outside of the zone.

In these photos in the link the two guys appear to be the same hieght, but when they switch places, one is appearantly much taller then the other. Thats freaky.

The best part is, this isn't just experienced by "special people". ANYONE can go there and experience it for themselves.

http://www.oregonvortex.com/photographs.asp and here is an article on it:

The Oregon Vortex is a spherical field of force, half above the ground and half below the ground. The word "vortex" simply means a whirpool of force, like a whirling mass of water, especially one in which a force of suction operates, such as a whirlpool or a whirling mass of air, especially one in the form of a visible column or spiral, such as a tornado.

A vortex, essentially a whirlpool of force, is the basic form of our universe. From our galaxy, whose vortex form we see as the countless suns of the Milky Way, throughout the gravitational vortex of our solar system, down to the vortex of an atom, the vortex form recurs throughout our world structure. The Phenomena that gives The Oregon Vortex its name are evident throughout the entire area. Nowhere in the circle do you normally stand erect. Inevitably the visitor assumes a posture that inclines toward magnetic north. The corona of The Vortex, as well as the minor vortices, discovered during the continuous study of The Vortex, are among the unique phenomena to be observed here.

As another person, on a level platform, recedes from you towards magnetic south, they appear taller. When they approach you, coming towards magnetic north, they become shorter. This is contrary to the laws of perspective, as we know it, and must be seen to be believed.


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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My apologies again for going off topic 3 eyes. This belongs in the wierdness file.


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: deff]
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Thanks Deff :-)


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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get jiggy with it,

this is downright intresting now. Did the vortex stretch the other guy's molecules or what?! I want to grow a few inch taller now. :smile:

-3 eyes

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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: 3eyes]
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  :lol:

I don't know. I just know after I saw the show on it and the demonstations of the weird shit there, I was left thinking 'what the fuck?" :lol:

I was wondering if anyone here had actually been to that spot.

I do want to visit it someday, I think it would be a riot.

I'd have to see the research data and experience it before I could feel okay commenting further then on what I saw on the show.

If I could be holding a plank with my left hand down and my right hand up and see a ball roll up from my left to my right, I think.................aye yi yi  :confused: :rotfl:

I bet you laugh a lot there.

I hear the state is beautiful with great camping and hiking. If a shroomery gathering was planned for there a year from now, I would go.

That place sounds like a drug free trip!


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Wtf, sometimes i really don't understand some of you guys.
There are many threads on this forum about this DNA issue and i really don't see why should anyone move this threads to science and tech.
Just to refresh peoples memory, this forum was once called Spirituality, Philosophy and Science. One of those reasons was to validate - or try to validate - issues with a spiritual or philosophical meaning through scientific findings. I consider there was indeed an explosive mixture for other reasons but even after Science got its own forum, i think there's room to debate some scientific approaches over here.
What i don't consider appropriate in this thread is people going off topic with an issue of a higher degree of scientific debate, which is exactly what you were criticizing in the first place.
I will go no further with this issue, please try to be objective regarding the topic or i'll lock this thread.

MAIA


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Re: DNA upgrades [Re: 3eyes]
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I can understand if maybe there was such a strong 'vortex' that it bent visible lightwaves to give the illusion of a change in height.

Other than that, I really don't see how it could possibly work :/


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