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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: Phluck]
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Now as for Bigotry... this is an odd topic. The LDS is one of America's most persecuted religions, but at their core, the LDS church is arguably, more racist and sexist than most Christian Faiths. It kinda' balances out. Many Mormons are innocently racist, just like much of the country is racist towards the LDS.

Most people think baptisms for the dead are creepy, I think they're cool. I like the idea of being baptized "Just in case". Free heaven insurance... plus you get to drink, smoke and use condoms! And I don't even need to be there, or even alive, to be baptized!

I'm much more concerned about other aspects of the church.

Utah is the only state in the Union that has an American Fort pointed at it. Lincoln built Ft. Douglass to make sure Utah didn't secede during the Civil war. He had good reason for concern. Abe Lincoln was never given a Baptism for the dead by the Mormons, all other dead presidents have recieved one. Utah, like Texas, always wanted to be its own country. Also, Mormons did not respect blacks.

The LDS church would not allow black priests for a very long time (if I remember correctly, they just started doing so on a very limited basis within the last 20 years).

The Mormons believe Cain (Adam and Eve's kid) was marked by God (by becoming BLACK) when he killed Abel(his brother). That is a pretty racist way of looking at the story... especially since the Bible is quite vague about the matter. The Bible simply says Cain was marked. I always figured Abel scarred him during the struggle. But the LDS faith teaches that Cain was marked by becoming black. Thus, all blacks are descendants of the FIRST MURDERER. Ironically, this sounds like a popular belief in the pro slavery early 1800's... when Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, either by being a creative, eccentric thinker, or by being handed golden plates by God, which he could read by using his Prophetic superpower of translation.

Oh yeah... Smith was a profit too... there have been quite a few. Brigham Young... and every other President of the Latter Day Saints.

Mormons believe a woman is good for making babies, cooking and cleaning. After death, she will sit by her husband's side in Heaven, pumping out babies for the planet her husband presides over as God. Yup, she gets to make babies for her God for all eternity.

Read that one a few times to get it ^^^.

Many SMART Mormon women aspire to simply marry in the temple... have kids... and nothing else. At its core, the LDS faith is hobbling its women... even w/o polygamy!

I have to say, the Book of Mormon, what I've seen of it, reads like a bad novel from the early to mid 1800's. I prefer Sam Clemens. I haven't read all of the Book of Mormon, let's just say I can't get out of the Shire.


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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: Phluck]
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Phluck said:
Hell, it already happened to the Mormons, a gang of idiots with a mentality not unlike some of the posters in this thread brutally slaughtered more than 120 Mormons for no particular reason back in 1838.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/mtn_meadows/3.html?sect=8


Sure Mormons left Illinois for Utah because they were being forced out, and their leader, Joseph Smith, was killed.

However...

If you keep reading your link, you will read about when the Mormons killed a bunch of innocent people, for no apparent reason. THAT'S RIGHT, TWENTY YEARS LATER, THE MORMONS DID THE KILLING. Mormon's killed between 128 and 137 pioneers from Arkansas on... get this... 9-11-1857. It is the largest act of terrorism on American soil until Oklahoma City. The highest levels of the LDS church were connected to the massacre. So were the Ute indians. Mormons admire Native Americans, in part, because they believe Eden was in North America. The Mormons and Indians worked together to kill some AMERICAN pionerers. Pioneers who likely, knew little to nothing about Mormons.

Not many people know about the Mountain Medadow Massacre.

Talk about an eye for an eye... these folks were just passing through.

I wonder if the victims recieved baptisms for the dead...

Check some of these links, it is a fascinating story.

http://www.rotten.com/library/history/mountain-meadows-massacre/

http://www.mazeministry.com/mormonism/mmmassacre/mmm.htm

http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_mass.htm

http://asms.k12.ar.us/armem/brondel/

http://www.cesnur.org/testi/morm_01.htm


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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: sos]
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What happened to religious tolerance? The one place where all religious thought should be tolerated...a forum devoted to religion...is missing that very quality. It shows that hate gets in wherever it can.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

Edited by Huehuecoyotl (04/06/05 11:45 AM)

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: soulmotion]
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soulmotion said:
How do you know that perfection is an unachievable goal?


In terms of subjective influence it is more then achievable... absolutely achievable though... not a chance in hell.

I'm perfect to myself at this point in time... other's might not feel that I have the perfect idealogy, views, and lifestyle... it doesn't matter to me, it works for me and is perfect.

I'm just saying that one shouldn't attempt to achieve an ideal as it is fruitless and others will find fault with it regardless of how perfect you are. Is it a form of self validation or something else entirely?

Perfection is an image... look to Sprite?, they have the answer I'm getting at.

Either way, if your happy with your faith, if your happy with your life, and if you can adhere to it without contradiction and hypocrisy congrats.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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I don't see it as hate... I just require an explanation as to the benefits of following a patch ascribed by a religion versus living for your own desires.

:shrug: Provided you're a productive member of society... better yet, provided you aren't a detriment to others, I don't see much of an issue.

You don't need a religion to mandate a design for how one chooses to live, to live as a devout believer of said religion lives. You just need to adhere to what suits you without qualification of whether a god/government implies it to be moral in respects to the the context of your actions

I drink coffee, I smoke cigarretes... I couldn't be a Mormon with a good conscience on the basis of disavowing and selectively choosing the tenants that I find applicable to the way I choose to live. Nor would I ever endeavor to.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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what gets me is that most of the fundamentals of LDS thought did not need to be shown to me by a member iof the church or by joseph smith's book. i figured it out sitting at home by myself. or as the doctors tell me. i dont feel i was alone but thats a differnet story. my problem is that i do not need a church to tell me about the latter days. when i "talk" with "god" i get the same answers(mostly) that smith got, except for the idea of all colered people being descendant from murderers, i dont know where that came from. anyway i have no problem with the eccentric beliefs of the church. i am just as eccentric. what i have a problem with is that i have to give my spirituality to a group of men to be decided if i am on track or not. and if i dont give my package over for a complete inspection, well i will just have to pray that one of those mormmons will babtise me when i am dead to make sure i dont go to a "lesser" heaven


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why are there so many more horses asses than there are horses?

if you can't duck it, fuck it.
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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: Swami]
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Where would us programmers be without Pepsi and Cheetos?

Don't forget Hot Pockets for those 3am coding marathons... :grin:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: fungophiliac]
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Yeah, I think the LDS believe in seven layers of heaven... each better than the last... and they have a purgatory too, I believe.


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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 2080? [Re: sos]
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As ridiculous as I find the premise of the Church of the LDS, I really haven't read or seen any proof of some hidden agenda of world domination. Besides, at least they aren't Scientologists, who truly qualify as a cult. Now THOSE people scare me.....

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: Diploid]
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http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/mormon.asp

The LDS doesn't own Coke, or Pepsi, nor are these companies run by mormons. They also don't own Blockbuster, but I think the guy who started it was a mormon... of course that's not the same as it actually being owned by the mormon church in any way.


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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: Phluck]
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one thing i find interesting about all the conspiracy theories i've seen relating to relgious/cult groups, is that people often seem to forget those of us who don't follow an organised religion. We don't by any means all believe the same things - some being atheists, etc. - but there are a hell of alot of us. You think the mormons are gonna be able to "strong-arm" everyone from other religions as well as those of us who don't follow an organised religion?
I'd like to see them take on the Muslims and Catholics and Hindus and Jews.
They may be secretive, but it's more through a want of being able to have a little exclusivity in their religion. All major religions do this to some degree. Not least of which the Freemasons.

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: Phluck]
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The LDS Church owned a great deal of Coke a Cola STOCK... for quite some time. They did not own the company, but owning stock in Coke is a bit hypocrytical since Coke contains caffiene.

They also, own/owned a couple media outlets (KSL tv... SLC NBC affiliate, and KSL1160... its radio sister station, also they own a SLC PBS station.)


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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: Rose]
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The LDS Church owned a great deal of Coke a Cola STOCK... for quite some time.

Yeah, you heard it from a friend of a friend, right?  :smirk:


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: Phluck]
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Mormonism has a revolving door. They gain lots of converts, but they also lose alot as well. Anyway, most of the time they are pretty moral so I'm not really afraid of Mormons owning major corporations.


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2. "We were feeling pretty good so we decided to smoke a few bowls..."
3. "I had to be real quiet because my parents were asleep upstairs..."

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: Phluck]
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Naw, my extended family (in Utah, everybody's extended family)... Mormons... they owned/ran a Coke bottle company... in Utah. There's good money in soda. :wink:

But, now that I think of it... how the hell would my family know where their church invested their money? They may have heard the same rumor, and embraced it, 'cause Coke was their trade. :smile:

But, I didn't say Mormons owned all of Coke, I said they have invested in the company. I did say the LDS church owned Stock in Coke, and I am sure (but I can't prove it) that Coke stock passed through their hands... but that likely is more innocent than it sounds.

I admit, I may have overstated the scope of LDS involvement in Coke a Cola Co. My bad.

Where did this rumor start? Perhaps my extended family donated some stock to their church and it was sold off. Perhaps someone died and willed their estate (including Coke stock) to their church...

It may have been Utah Mormons, investing in local Coke distributors... and eventually the story grew to an outrageous size... or something...

I'm pretty sure there's some hidden truth in this wive's tale. There was a lot of pre-decaf cola in rural Utah. And in rural Utah, if something is sold, its a safe bet the Mormons have a hand in it. Can I prove it? Nope... but rural Utah Mormons could walk to the corner store, and buy a Coke. The Coke was bottled locally. At some point in time and to this day, in Utah at least, Mormons bottled and sold Coke, to Mormons. That much I can prove.

The LDS church is very wealthy, and invests in many things. They own several malls, media outlets and a section of Downtown SLC sidewalk. And let's not forget Utah's very own Porn Czar!

But, I digress... I imagine, and have heard, the LDS investments are often changing (to earn better interest)... I wouldn't blame the LDS for investing in Coke, especially during the cola wars of the 1980's (When this wive's tale seemed gather new momentum). It would have been a wise investment.

The LDS church, like most, is a business, to be a Mormon, you REALLY should tythe 10% of your $$$, so the LDS Church gets more $$$ per-capita than most churches. That Money is often quickly and wisely, invested.


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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 2080? [Re: sos]
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sos said:
there is a mandatory tithe of ten percent of all income for all members. zero tolerance for the non payers.


I was raised a mormon, i have been "inactive" for going on three years. I have not paid a tithe for over 4 years. I am still considered a member. You are not as informed as you think you are... Do a little more research please before spreading false information.

Starting drama may be a way for you to subconciously (or conciously) convice yourself you have participation and purpose in this world, but please ask yourself if it is really worth it when it involves harming the reputation of others that you know nothing or very little about.

sos said:
Mormons will be the majority in about 60 years time. Prepare yourself for public mormon domination.


Judging by what I know of the mormon community (which is a lot, since I attended the church for about 18 years of my life), I would rather have mormons as the religious majority than any other form of christian religion as the religious majority. And make sure you notice i said "christian religion". There are other religions that are not considered Christian that I would prefer to be the religious majority in western civilization.


Before creating this post... I am wondering why it has a "flame" symbol next to it when viewed from the listing of topics in Spirituality and philosophy... this user is obviously trying to just create drama in a forum where topics of more consequence usually reign (in my experience viewing this forum which i will admit has not reached the status of "veteran" yet.).

ban or ignore this user.

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 2080? [Re: question_for_joo]
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question_for_joo said:
Scary. The mormon religion is so weird. They believe in this extra part of the bible that some 19th century dood found on some dinner plates buried underground. I think it's mostly cause some guys living in the Victorian era wanted to hump a different honey each night of the week though.


They are not more "weird" than any other religion out there. ( and I consider all forms of organized religion to be bullshit at this point in my life)

Joseph Smith was the first prophet of the modernday mormon religion, according to mormonism he found the book of mormon (what you refer to as the extra part of teh bible) buried in the hill Cumorah written on golden plates. You can consider a 'plate' to be the equivalent of a piece of paper that would not decay as quickly as paper.

I strongly doubt that your final assumption in your post has any relevance whatsoever.

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: sos]
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sos said:
yeah i heard the highest part of mormon royalty is very deep into incestious relations.


false, yet again.

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 2080? [Re: Archemetis]
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Archemetis said:
there is so much indoctrination that goes on in those buildings, especially towards the children. thank god my mind has been able to recover...(with the help of my good freind lsd) seriously though, these people are strange.


i agree that a lot of brainwashing occurs with young children in the mormon church, i grew up in it and i am slowly but surely recovering from it. "these people" are no more strange than any other group of religious zealots in the world, which there are many.

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 2080? [Re: KingOftheThing]
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KingOftheThing said:
of all the major religions i personally depise mormonism the most


Why? I strongly doubt you have any significant reasons to justify this statement.

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