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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: sos]
    #3075183 - 08/31/04 06:15 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

So you don't like Catholics either. Well, my Grandmother was a Catholic and so is my Uncle. They have always been good people. If they are involved in a plot for world domination I don't know about it. Just because people from a particular religion, like the Mormons or Catholics, become successful, influential people it doesn't mean a thing...only that they learned some self dicsipline. This is the same type of argument that Hitler used against the Jews. Hate based on religious or racial grounds is one of the few true evils in our world.

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 2080? [Re: sos]
    #3075688 - 08/31/04 09:23 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

of all the major religions i personally depise mormonism the most

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3076005 - 08/31/04 10:29 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

i have no hate for anyone one i do have hate towards religions based on a series of lies catholiscism has come a long way but it is like a weekly chore for most. The pope is such a puppet. please.


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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: sos]
    #3076075 - 08/31/04 10:47 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

No mormons don't own pepsi. He was just saying that to say that its a big fucking corporation.

I've lived in Salt Lake City all my life and I can tell you that the LDS religion will take over the world one day. Slowly but surely. They have just bought Main street in downtown and also bought out another major developement to open up a huge mall. I mean it was the MAIN street and they just bought it for the sake of buying it. They have all the say on what the stores in the mall can do because they own the place. Currently, no store will be open on sunday.

I've met a lot of good people that were mormon, but it wasn't because they were mormon that made them good. Most Mormons are hypocritical bigots who think they are better than non-mormons. They think non-mormons are the immoral scum of the earth, but at the same time they never follow any of their rules. They think they are better than you and then you see them drinking caffeine (a no no), having sex (another no no), drugs, working on sunday, lying, cheating, etc.

Being a mormon definately has its benefits. For example if a mormon business only wants to hire mormons, they will call the church directly and they have an entire department that handles that. If you ever get in jail they will post bail. They will give you food and money when you are out of work. Get discounts at certain restaurants. Are favored by cops, teachers, and basically anybody with any sort of authority.

Thats why so many people pay the tithing. They SAY it is optional but I guarantee you, if you don't pay it they will hound you and you lose all of those benefits in addition to being stigmatized by the mormon community.

I could go on but I know I've written too much as it is.

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: Worf]
    #3076979 - 09/01/04 04:48 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

There is a big difference between Salt Lake City and the world. They also don't only hire other Mormons either. My brother is a pipefitter who worked for the Mormon Church doing maintenance for a few years. He is not a Mormon either. As far a being bigots, the Mormons I have met were very compassionate and tolerant. If they were bigots they hid it well. Why so much hate against these religions. Several posts here cross a moral line into promoting religious intolerance. When you hate, you receive hate in return.

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3077234 - 09/01/04 07:22 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

No they don't only hire Mormons, but they have the option and use it frequently. I have a lot of animosity towards them because it has been hard growing up here as a minority. In other states its a level playing field but here you always have to work up hill.

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 2080? [Re: sos]
    #3077790 - 09/01/04 11:36 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

If im still alive i'll have my mormon beating club ready.


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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 2080? [Re: barfightlard]
    #4019460 - 04/05/05 10:12 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

this post is a little old and seems dead or maybe just dormant but i wanna say somethin cause i live here.

the church didnt just buy main street. they traded some city council guy some indian burial land for it up in the canyons.

racism is built into the GREAT DOCTRINE in the form of a story about 2 brothers one black (evil) and one white (good of course) from which all colored people are descended. love your brother but kill every jew jap nigger sap around cause you and him aint brothers. thats hitler propaganda.

now i aint sayin that every mormon is hard core racist and bent on world domination, but i am saying that if the people that founded this religion were not pure (which they probably werent) then their corrupt values(not those of god) would also be seeded in their religion. alongside the part about not questioning the Divine Testimony is a tangled mess of unanswerable ill-logics. so if jesus is a sheperd then what does that make mormons? breed-em (brighim) Young's sheep.. baaa baaaa

just to be clear i personally dont hate mormons, i think they are a source of great amusement. there are so many peculiarities built into mormon religion and culture that would probably make a trained psychologist scratch his head at times.

for instance why does brighim young university have the highest anal std rate in the country. only mormons go there. i guess vaginal sex is the only big no-no. mormon porn. there is a market for it. i have a mormon fetish much like people have things for catholic school girls. but i tihnk mine is more of a desire for the unattainable like lesbians and shaved legs. buut hey.

all i can say is mormons are great as long as they dont try to talk to me about drugs, and i dont try to talk about religion politics or anything besides "good dinner, pass the mustard please" at least on one side of the family. a couple of my wife's brothers have taken to drinkin and parties one of her brothers and his mormon wife are now happy swingers by night, normal folk by day. aside from being like 30 year old teengers who have never had alcohol, they are pretty fun when drunk.

the point is mormon culture is domineering and bent on globalizationbut if you steer clear of the really self rightous ones its not bad..... you know let them believe they have a different heaven and thank god "he" is seperating us.

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 2080? [Re: fungophiliac]
    #4019596 - 04/05/05 10:44 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

:shrug:

More dogma created to support a lifestyle instilled with hatred, who's attempts are at gaining ground in the ever popular niche that is religion. :tongue:.

Mormons aren't bad, Christians aren't bad, liberals aren't bad, conservatives aren't bad.

No set group of people through their belief is anymore superior then another, especially if they suggest such through their doctrine. One's affiliation shouldn't be a determinate to "brand" an individual within the herd.

Look at Germany after Hitler was ousted... sure was a hell of a lot of shitty beliefs tied to his reign... Do we think any differently (beyond gross propoganda campaings at the time) about the people that went along with it?

What of the Third Reich's demise, and the people living a different lifestyle as a result of the destabilization of said government at the time?

People are sold on bullshit all the time... they follow it as well... that doesn't make them any worse, it's those that are orchestrating the bullshit that are at fault, not so much those that are mislead by it. Ignorance is the root of it all, as long as their is ignorance, their will be mindless peons following blindly.

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4019791 - 04/05/05 11:47 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

As far a being bigots, the Mormons I have met were very compassionate and tolerant.

Most cults will turn their nice face towards outsiders as long as they don't challenge them. Then you will see their dark side. That goes double for those in the cult who violate their rigid dogma. If they acted as they truly are no one would ever join them and they know that; In the same way that a wife beater will act nice when courting.

As an example of this behavior, my home state of Mississippi is/was known as the "Hospitality State" in the 1960's and earlier. As long as you were white that is. If you were an "uppity nigra" you might find yourself swinging by your neck from a tree. Not most people's idea of hospitality.


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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 2080? [Re: sos]
    #4019899 - 04/06/05 12:15 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

mormon girls are nice
but yet they are the borg

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: Jellric]
    #4020006 - 04/06/05 12:49 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

OKAY,

I've been keeping a low profile for a while, but now I have to set the record straight, this is intolerable...

I'm a practicing member of "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" a.k.a. LDS, a.k.a. "The Mormon Church".



1. The church does not own pepsi, or blockbuster, that is a myth that has been perpetuated forever (it seems). At one time I think the church owned a heavy stock in certain companies, but never "owned" private corperations. The Marriot hotel was founded by a member of the LDS church, but the church does NOT own the hotel chain (and I'm not even sure if the founder still owns it).

2. I can say with absolute certainty that there are NO satanic practices in the LDS church. The temple cerimonies are reguarded as "sacred", not "secret". Anyone is allowed to access to the temple, provided they qualify (meaning they enter the church and abide by the precepts, which are basic christian values). There is naturally alot of stigma reguarding the temple cerimonies, because of the privacy under which they are conducted, but the intention is not to exclude but merely to prevent people from mocking the ceremony, or from participating when they are unprepared/insincere.

3. In reguard to the epithet "cult" applied to the LDS faith;
Before Christianity was adopted by the Roman Empire, it was thought of as a cult. Almost every religion 'begins' as a cult; if the religion proves itself to be a sensible, practical way of life then eventually it works it's way into the mainstream. Why do you think 'Mormonism' is growing so fast? I expect some of you would respond, "because they brainwash people", to that I say: I was a missionary for the church for 2 years, and I know the proceedure for making converts; it's not easy! We (as missionaries) stress the importance of the prospective convert obtaining their own "witness" of the truth, and NOT relying on our words alone.This means that the person has to meditate, pray, read the material we provide them along with their own bible before they are able to be admitted into the church. There is even an interview that takes place before a person is baptised where all the conditions of membership are reviewed and and accepted by the prospective convert. It's not an easy process!!! I don't deny there may be a small percentage of converts who join for the wrong reasons, but they generally don't stay active for very long. MOST people join because they get a taste of the sweet, wholesome lifestyle that the church teachings provide, and they want that for themselves and their families.

4. It should also be remembered that 'Mormons' are just people! There are saintly 'Mormons', and there are hipocritical 'Mormons', and there is everything inbetween. It is possible for an organization to perfect ideals and still have imperfect people. Give them a break! If you or someone you know has been judged or wronged by a member of the LDS faith, then allow me to express my regret for their actions, but let me say also, if you judge them for judging you, YOU'RE the hipocrite.

edit: One more thing... the tithing thing. The "tithe" has been around since biblical times. In fact, the Old Testiment tells that Abraham, one of the oldest figures in the Bible, paying tithes to his spiritual leader. There have also been periods in biblical history where church members were expected to contribute all of their assets to the church, and to be distributed by the church as the leadership saw fit. In an idealized utopian society, everyone would share equally. That is the premise behind that higher statute known in LDS vocabulary as the "law of consecration". Although it sounds great in principle to share everything with everybody, it hasn't worked in practice in most eras. So a provisional law was made, i.e. the law of "tithing". A tithe is %10 of your gross earnings, like a tax. "The kingdom of God", like any government, has a tax for maintinence purposes. THERE IS NO PAID CLERGY IN THE LDS CHURCH!!! This means that all the tithe offerings paid to the church are NOT owned by any one person, (other than God) and those funds are used only for church operations, i.e. purchasing land, property tax on existing church property, maintaining church owned buildings, producing church materials and resources, ect. ect. Boring Stuff. Nobody is getting rich off of the membership except God, and I don't even think he needs the money.

Well, that's about all I have to say. I won't get into matters of doctrine, unless there is a few shroomerites that request a new thread...

Edited by soulmotion (04/06/05 01:50 AM)

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: soulmotion]
    #4020031 - 04/06/05 01:00 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not a big fan of organized religion, but I'm not hostile to it either. I feel it serves a purpose for some people. You are quite correct in your description of what a "cult" is. That word is used as a perjorative- I use it to mean a small religion. Perhaps I should use the word "sect" instead.

You probably won't find many people friendly to your religion here, but hopefully everyone will remember to treat those who hold these beliefs with tolerance and respect.

We have a Mormon here so now's the time to ask any questions you may have about the Mormon faith..

I'll start: Were you born into the Mormon faith or did you join later?


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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: Jellric]
    #4020122 - 04/06/05 01:34 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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Were you born into the Mormon faith or did you join later?




I was brought up in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I accepted it when I was young, but it didn't mean anything to me really. When I got into high school I was ashamed of my somewhat obscure religious heritage, so I stopped attending. My father and my father's father have both had a life-history of substance abuse. They were what you'd call, "Jack-Mormons", members of the church who didn't exactly live their religion. So, I was genetically disposed to substance abuse, but also maybe it was a little bit of "forbidden fruit" psychology that caused me to plunge into habitual drug use soon after abandoning my childhood religion.

I got into heavy drugs... I stole, I lied, I did all the bad things in the book, and by the time I was 18 my life was already really screwed up. I was at a crossroads. Many of my friends had already failed re-hab programs, and I didn't feel I should go down that road; it was dark, dismal, and worst of all, unpredictable. The alternative (or the only alternative I saw at that time) was to sober-up, start living a 'wholesome' life, get married, have a family and live out the typical suburban lifestyle. I decided to move to another state to live with my Grandmother to make the transition. It was a sucessfull transition. Along the way I decided to pick up my dusty Book of Mormon and start reading it again, this time with a new perspective. A recurrent theme in the book, and in the Mormon teachings in general, is to ask God to know if the Book is true, and if the teachings are real. It sounded simple enough. I got down of my knees and said a prayer for the first time in years, and I really meant it this time. I felt a unique feeling that was sweet, and pure, and VERY intense! I was certain that I had recieved my answer from God, and that the things I was reading were in fact true.

After that I aspired to be a missionary and teach other people the path that I was following. I was priveledged to serve for 2 years as a missionary in New Zealand. I've been home for several months now. I love philosophy and spirituality. Those are two of my favorite subjects. I don't shy away from objective reasoning, and I admit, there are alot of things about Mormonism, and Christianity in general that any rational person would have a hard time accepting. But the thing that has kept me "in the faith" , so to speak, has always been #1 the sensibility of the fundimental LDS teachings, and most of all #2 the sweet feelings I get from striving to live a pure and wholesome life.

I'm not perfect by any means, but I believe in the ideal of perfection, and as long as I live I will reach for that ideal, or die trying.

P.S. in case you're wondering why I'm here at shroomery; I've done lots of hallucinogenics in the past, and I'd probably do them again if the opportunity presented itself. I really hate street drugs because of their parasidic effect on society (not to mention health and other problems associated with substance abuse), but I make an exception for hallucinogenics, because I believe they induce spirituality (without the typical side effects, i.e. addiction, or health risks).

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: soulmotion]
    #4020135 - 04/06/05 01:39 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Why not cut the shit away from your life as it is and just live a pure, and wholesome life of sensibility based on what you learned from it?

If you yourself believe that it is hard to accept some of the thing that a rational person would have a hard time accepting... then why accept them?

It's good that your attempting to better yourself  :thumbup:. Yet, why die trying to obtain that impossible ideal? Mormon doctrine, as well as many other sects of Christianity suggest that man will never be perfect, with the primary exception being Jesus himself. With that stated, I in no way suggest you start revolting/rebelling against all your views, just lighten up and don't be so rigid in your beliefs. You don't need to have a religion to share the fundamental values that it contains.

I wish I was 17 feet tall... I'm not, no way in hell I'll ever be able to achieve my "ideal" height... yet, I'll strive to achieve it, and will more certainly then not lose out in actually living a life.

(Peer Pressure :tongue:) Come on man, be rational.... only the cool people do it.

If you find that offensive :shrug: not my intent.



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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4020278 - 04/06/05 02:43 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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If you find that offensive :shrug: not my intent.





No offense taken, mon amie. I'm here at S&P because I like to debate spirituality and philosophy. You'll find that I'm always advocating the legitimacy of faith, and idealism, using the best logic I can muster. I don't generally take offense to those who oppose my views, although I do appreciate courtesy, and it is disappointing the way some shroomerites don't show more respect to their opponent(s).

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Why not cut the shit away from your life as it is and just live a pure, and wholesome life of sensibility based on what you learned from it? If you yourself believe that it is hard to accept some of the thing that a rational person would have a hard time accepting... then why accept them?




Well, for many reasons. I mentioned that I have skeptisisms about my faith, which means that there are some unsettled questions in my mind. In other words, it would be hasty to decide that the whole religion is untrue because of a few unresolved questions. If you think about it, faith thrives on uncertainty as much or more than doubt does. If I was certain that religion was false then I would've left it already, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Think about how faith applies to some of the most famous discoveries in history. Columbus and his shipmates weren't certain that they could reach another continent by sailing west. Many of them expected to fall off the edge of the world, but they had just enough faith to make it to land. Incidentaly what they found was not their original destination, but without faith, they wouldn't have even survived their trek. My expiriences so far with my faith have provided me enough certainty to chart a life-long course to an uncertain destination: Heaven. Another example; Einstien had faith that the 'book was not closed' on physics. It became his lifework to uncover new principles of physics, and he was rewarded for his efforts with monumental dicoveries. Later, Einstein's theories came into question with the advent of quantim mechanics, but his courageous work blazed a trail for future physicists to follow. In both examples, the seeker's discovery carried a twist.

My journey with religion has already seen many twists, and I have come to expect the unexpected. One conclusion I've settled on, however, is that I have very little to loose by targeting the unkown, and very, very much to gain. Religion is a hyphothesis, and what happens to me after I die will either prove or disprove this hypothesis. If I am disproven, I will never know it. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by being religious; in fact, cerimony has a way of drawing out deep emotions which acctually adds meaning to my life.

One more...

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...Yet, why die trying to obtain that impossible ideal?...





How do you know that perfection is an unachievable goal? Yes, there is a doctrine held by some Christian denomonations that perfection is un-obtainable, however, the LDS faith does not subscribe to that doctrine; we simply say that Jesus was in the only person to live a perfect life, and that , though we can't achieve perfection in mortality, we will eventually achieve it in the next life. It might interest you to know that Mormon Doctrine teaches that when you reach the highest heaven that you continue your "eternal progression". So, I may be going out on a limb to assume this, but to me this implies that 'perfection' is a process rather than a finite achievement. I could explain my philosophy about perfection in more detail elsewhere, but I'm afraid this post is getting too long to continue...

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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: sos]
    #4020333 - 04/06/05 03:16 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

The upper mormons are not into incestuous relationships, I don't know where you get this bullshit.

I recommend reading Under the Banner of Heaven by Jon Krakauer. It's an excellent book, discusses both the Mormon extremist offshoots and the LDS church itself. They're really just another religion.

I'm seeing a lot of what amounts to ignorant bigotry in this thread, and that should mean a lot to you guys coming from someone who thinks all religions are bullshit.

Sure there are some silly things about the Mormon religion, but when it comes down to it, it's all just as silly as believing in a god, which plenty of you guys probably do. I'm guessing the Mormon bashers have never known any Mormons in real life.


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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4020345 - 04/06/05 03:28 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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So you don't like Catholics either. Well, my Grandmother was a Catholic and so is my Uncle. They have always been good people. If they are involved in a plot for world domination I don't know about it. Just because people from a particular religion, like the Mormons or Catholics, become successful, influential people it doesn't mean a thing...only that they learned some self dicsipline. This is the same type of argument that Hitler used against the Jews. Hate based on religious or racial grounds is one of the few true evils in our world.




Exactly. I can't believe I'm seeing people advocating violence in this thread, it makes me pretty sick to see that stuff.

Maybe if people were smart enough to actually read a bit before spouting off violent bigotry they'd realize that violent persecution tends to help secure people's faiths and gain sympathy for them. Hell, it already happened to the Mormons, a gang of idiots with a mentality not unlike some of the posters in this thread brutally slaughtered more than 120 Mormons for no particular reason back in 1838.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/mtn_meadows/3.html?sect=8


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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: soulmotion]
    #4020352 - 04/06/05 03:37 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

There are many individual Mormons who are great people... but in Utah, the Mormon Mob-Mentality can be overbearing for a non-Mormon.

The problem with SLC is there is little to no separation between church and state. All citizens, LDS or not, have to abide by a predominantly Mormon State Government. However, as it grows, Salt Lake City has grown up quite a bit.

I am constantly amazed by laws that pass in Utah. The State doesn't trust its citizens to CHOOSE to act like good Mormons, so they create laws to insure ALL THE CITIZENS OF UTAH appear to be good Moromons. The majority moust not have a problem with it... they keep voting the same way.

Most Utahns just blindly follow whatever their leaders tell them to do. Respect for authority and seniority is intrinsic in the LDS religion. This isn't a bad thing... except few Utahns per capita actually question authority... and Utah Govt. monopolizes on it. That's the type of passive acceptance led to Utah's Porn Czar, or attempting to disallow FREE SPEECH on MAIN STREET in Downtown SLC, and Utah's rediculous alcohol laws.

This can be very alienating to a non Mormon. Utah is a weird place. White Non-Mormons are minorities... it is simply easy to mask... but if you are a non Mormon in SLC, you WILL know it.

Hinkley was a very effective President... but I wonder why LDS Presidents are considered to be the profit? Why is that? Doesn't a profit speak FOR God with God's voice? How can a man be promoted to Profit by other men? Don't a bunch of old men sit around until one says God told him he should be president?


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Re: Mormons internation tyrant cult of our nightmares in 208 [Re: Rose]
    #4020360 - 04/06/05 03:45 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

If I'm not mistaken, there are actually a lot of prophets in the mormon religion, unless that has changed now. The president isn't the only one. It's a level that you attain through years of devotion to the faith, not simply being elected.

And I certainly agree about the laws passed by the mormons, I'd hate to have to put up with that nonsense if I lived in SLC or something.


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