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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5484324 - 04/05/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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you want me to provide scientific evidence, somehow, regarding a subjective matter such as innocence, to rebuttal unfounded made up claims regarding Scientology?
Nah, just some information regarding Scientology. Like their core doctrine, common spiritual practices, why Tom Cruise is so crazy, etc. Ex: Ok. So, they don't use E-meters to dispel thetans, but what do they use them for?
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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5484926 - 04/05/06 10:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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psilocyberin said: ok, just so Im following you here.... clarify this for me: you want me to provide scientific evidence, somehow, regarding a subjective matter such as innocence, to rebuttal unfounded made up claims regarding Scientology?
No, I'd simply like to see you state some examples of what Scientology does believe in, considering how much you state that anyone who suggests their beliefs are in-line with the popular notion of what Scientologists believe is wrong and is simply spewing what they have heard from other sources.
Don't know how it is that we can consider what you might, possibly, eventually might provide as anything distinct from any other secondary source, but I digress.
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well, If you must know, the evil litmus test results havent come back yet to find out the evilness of e-meters....
At the very least, court rulings barred Hubbard from proclaiming the use of e-meters as being a scientific treatment. What merit does technology have if it has no scientific basis?
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The founder of this enterprise was part storyteller, part flimflam man. Born In Nebraska in 1911, Hubbard served in the Navy during World War II and soon afterward complained to the Veterans Administration about his "suicidal inclinations" and his "seriously affected" mind. Nevertheless, Hubbard was a moderately successful writer of pulp science fiction. Years later, church brochures described him falsely as an "extensively decorated" World War II hero who was crippled and blinded in action, twice pronounced dead and miraculously cured through Scientology. Hubbard's "doctorate" from "Sequoia University" was a fake mall-order degree. In a I984 case in which the church sued a Hubbard biographical researcher, a California judge concluded that its founder was "a pathological liar."
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Example: "they use the e-meter to dispel "thetans" in your body"... this is not only false, but laughable.
Nice strawman. 
Hubbard had said that people's unhappiness resulted from engrams created by trauma. Not only could an audit with an E-meter remove the engrams, he also suggested that it cure blindness, and even improve intelligence and appearance. 
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It is like they read, or heard a word used by a scientologist, and having no understanding of what the words meant, decided to make their own analysis of what it meant, and the end result is a garbled mess of nonsense.
L. Ron would be proud! 
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What I find most interesting though, is how people harp on the misconception of "Xenu". First, it has nothing to do at all with the practices of the church.
Hhmm... maybe you never mortaged your house to be able to afford those intensive sessions. 
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Second, every single story of a person trying to tell me about Xenu has been so intense and seething as they spew forth unintelligible blather.
Yeah, I have understood that Hubbard's stories were unintelligble blather. 
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In the 1960s the guru decreed that humans are made of clusters of spirits (or "thetans") who were banished to earth some 75 million years ago by a cruel galactic ruler named Xenu. Naturally, those thetans had to be audited.
Come on, now, educate us as to the true nature of Scientology. It doesn't matter if it is a scam that has been investigated by several federal agencies, just so long as we acknowledge that the beliefs you have to pay for that were created by a science fiction writer stand on their own right, eh? 
I wonder when it is that I will be sued for libel, or when people will start breaking into my homes and hiring private investigators to dig up dirt on me.... 
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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: fireworks_god]
#5485194 - 04/06/06 12:06 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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ok, what are e-meters used for. Great question, and I am happy to answer it. By sending a very slight DC volatge through you which is intercepted by the e-meter as a result of you completing the circuit they measure the fluxes of the natural current of energy in your body. They believe that thought has mass, and in having mass, has a charge, ideas/thinking which causes fluxes which are noticeable in your natural bodily current. It isnt a lie detector, but it works as the same way... sort of. Just you sitting there thinking registers on the e-meter. Before you say this is circus sideshow cold readings, most advanced auditing is done by the person themselves, with no one else in the room. So basically, by being able to see the amount of charge each thought has to it, they are able to pinpoint "repressed" or traumatic memories and work through them.
educate you?... hmmmmm.... how about what an Engram is.... Scientologists believe that perceptual reality is recorded/stored in your mind (note: not brain) at something like 24 fps (dont know the precise number), but anyway that doesnt matter..... and each of these 24 "frames" (im explaining in laymans, so excuse the parenthesis) records something like 54 perceptions: internal body temp, sight, smell, sound etc. so that the entire scope of perception is "filed" away in your continuous stream of consciousness. Now lets say that while mowing the grass, listening to the beach boys "Pet Sounds" on a nice warm summer day, the lawnmower slings out a rock which tears through your calf. So, those certain frames where the pain was immense, it left "spikes" in the recording of perceptual data. They believe that the entire time you are experiencing something, you are constantly pulling up related "files" regarding the perceptual environment. So, if one day, it was sunny, you smelled freshly mown grass, and heard "pet sounds" (sometimes it takes only one of these things), you suddenly feel an ache or pain in your calf.... that is an engram... the "subconscious" recollection of past events being replayed through your reality.
In the other forum that I had linked, I gave the analogy of the first liquor you vomited profusely on. Does it still make your stomach quesy or make you nauseus when you smell or taste that liquor? that is all an engram is... another word for that phenomenon. Psycho-somatic phenomenon.
That is just my gleaming from the study I have done with Scientology... my interpretation of the information given, although I am pretty sure it would be an acceptable explanation of engrams.
any other questions?
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