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The Petty Tyrant
#7798168 - 12/25/07 12:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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One useful concept that was originally promoted by Carlos Castaneda was the idea of the petty tyrant. The petty tyrant is anyone, thing, situation, or even behavior that annoys, distracts, or threatens you in any way. If something really pushes your buttons then you can recognize the workings of a petty tyrant immediately. The really funny thing about the petty tyrant is that though you refer to something or someones else or an externalized behavior as a petty tyrant, the tyrant really is not that thing which is pushing your buttons. The petty tyrant actually lives inside you. You make yourself feel the way that you do through choice, so whenever you feel annoyed or persecuted or threatened it is because you are really annoying or persecuting, or threatening yourself. The action of something outside the self can make you feel nothing. You choose what to feel based on your past experiences and programming.
Ultimately, dealing with the petty tyrant is not dealing with something or someone else, it is dealing with the true tyrant....yourself. The trait that is responsible for this type of choice is self importance.Lets say that you see someone engaging in a behavior that annoys you. Most likely it annoys you because you have made a value judgment on that behavior or that person. Because of that black and white judgment you have cut yourself off from engaging in that behavior or having that experience. When you see behaviors and experiences as tools in the toolbox of life then no experience is really completely taboo. Nearly any behavior can have the proper time and place where it becomes useful. Letting yourself accept these things helps one to own instead of deny their feelings. This diminishes self importance, and boosts personal power massively.....increasing your ability to act in the world effectively to create your dream. Once you can accept yourself, you automatically accept others.
Exercise: Engage in a behavior that is taboo or annoys you or really pushes your buttons when others do it. Do it to your fullest extent, and really live it without judging yourself. It is really effective if it is one of your own behaviors that you disowned or stopped because you had decided (were told) that it was bad. Observing moderation is important to a balanced life and understanding and using our behaviors and experiences practically is based in moderation. Denial is not moderate.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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This is a great post...couldn't have said it better myself.
When you're judgemental, you're effectively creating a prison for yourself; when you're not, you're truly free. And the more you understand yourself, the more you see yourself (even if it's yourself in a past stage of development) in others and the more accepting and less judgemental you become. Understanding yourself and owning rather than denying your feelings brings you freedom.
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Exercise: Engage in a behavior that is taboo or annoys you or really pushes your buttons when others do it. Do it to your fullest extent, and really live it without judging yourself.
OK, I did something that I previously considered despicable, with an underage girl. I am wondering if you guys can put together the $25,000 bond (sell lots of spores prints!) and call my lawyer at Goldstein and Associates.
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OK, now, in jail, next time you drop the soap and you've bent down to grab it, try not picking it up right away.
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Excellent. Your now past the first phase of training. You'll be a shaman in no time.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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if you guys can put together the $25,000 bond
Oh yeah, and I forgot one point....you have to create your own reality....
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Great post.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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OK, I did something that I previously considered despicable, with an underage girl.
What did you do, ignore her?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Engage in a behavior that is taboo or annoys you or really pushes your buttons when others do it. Do it to your fullest extent, and really live it without judging yourself.
I tried doing something similar. It just made me more of a jack ass for a little while. And I was still judgmental.
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Re: The Petty Tyrant [Re: fushock]
#7801255 - 12/26/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice post. You always seem to articulate my thoughts, lol.
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You'll be a shaman in no time.
I am very ashamaned right now.
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Re: The Petty Tyrant [Re: Icelander]
#7801557 - 12/26/07 05:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nothing that far afield; I treated her with respect.
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Re: The Petty Tyrant [Re: fushock]
#7801621 - 12/26/07 06:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I tried doing something similar. It just made me more of a jack ass for a little while. And I was still judgmental.
No matter what, you must still expect to face consequences and take responsibility for yourself. This is totally in line with the petty tyrant idea. As a matter of fact taking responsibility is the cornerstone of it.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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No matter what, you must still expect to face consequences and take responsibility for yourself. This is totally in line with the petty tyrant idea. As a matter of fact taking responsibility is the cornerstone of it.
I don't see how you came to the conclusion that I didn't take responsibility for myself from the above post.
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Theres no easy solution or guru mantra to protect yourself or anything else from harsh realities or problems, you feel a situation and you feel its solution through patience, memory, faith and effort. Its true that anything that spawns negativity in you will only do so with your cooperation, if you provide a counterforce to accept the negativity you may find a way to live with/heal the problem (if there actually is one)
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Re: The Petty Tyrant [Re: krin]
#7801741 - 12/26/07 07:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Theres no easy solution or guru mantra to protect yourself or anything else from harsh realities or problems, you feel a situation and you feel its solution through patience, memory, faith and effort.
I never outlined an easy solution to anything. Doing what I have suggested requires iron discipline, and the confrontation of many fears. Losing self judgment is worth it, but not everyone has the back bone to do it.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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but not everyone has the back bone to do it.
No reason for name calling. Just because I disagree with you doesnt mean I don't have a backbone.
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Re: The Petty Tyrant [Re: fushock]
#7802052 - 12/26/07 09:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Your taking an impersonal statement personal. I had replied to krin...not you. In fact I saw no need to respond to your last statement as you do not see my point at all. It may be worth your while to learn how to read the forum. You would then see that I did not reply to you at all. I called no names of anyone. I said that not everyone has the back bone to do this. This is a true statement.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Don't mind me, I'm just trying to be irritating. I guess I come off more confusing than anything.
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I just read a book called "A New Earth" by Eckhart Tolle, and he deals with a similar notion of the ego/pain body
basically, the voice in your head is the ego (or mask that we over-identify with) which is closely related to the pain body.
The pain body feeds on negative emotions and works with the ego to create situations where it can feed.
Basically he says that if you can recognize that the voice in your head is not YOU but the conditionings layered onto you by the society we live in, then you can silence it. Because the ego can not survive and function while being observed and analyzed.
So just remind yourself that the silly and territorial type of thoughts that pop up into your head are not YOU they are the product of an over fed ego.
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yea that reminded me of the pain body as well.
I don't know if we really have 'entities' living inside us that want us to get pissed off, but conceiving of them as such is the most effective way I have found for stopping anger and annoyance in its tracks. Here's how Tolle puts it.
As long as you are unable to access the "now," every emotional pain that you experience leaves behind a residue of pain that lives on in you. It merges with the pain from the past, which was already there, and becomes loged in your mind and body. This, of course, includes the pain you suffered as a child, caused by the unconsciousness of the world into which you were born.
This accumulated pain is a negative energy field that occupies your body and mind. If you look on it as an invisible entity in its own right, you are getting quite close to the truth. Its the emotional pain-body. It has two modes of being: dormant and active. A pain-body may be dormant 90 percent of the time; in a deeply unhappy person, though, it may be active up to 100 percent of the time. Some people live almost entirely through their pain]body, while others may experience it only in certain situations, such as intimate relationships, or situations linked with past loss or abandonment, physical or emotional hurt, and so on. Anything can trigger it, particularly if it resonates with a pain pattern from your past. When it is ready to awaken from its dormant stage, even a thought or an innocent remark made by someone close to you can activate it.
Some pain bodies are obnoxious but relatively harmless, for example like a child who won't stop whining. Others are vicious and destructive monsters, true demons. Some are physically violent; many more are emotionally violent. Some will attack people around you or close to you, while others may attack you, their host. Thoughts and feelings you have about your life then will become deeply negative and self-destructive. Illnesses and accidents are often created in this way. Some pain-bodies drive their hosts to suicide.
WHen you thought you knew a person and then you are suddenly confronted with this alien, nasty creature for the first time, you are in for quite a shock. However, its more important to observe it in yourself than in someone else. Watch out for any sign of unhappiness in yourself, in whatever form--it may be the awakening pain-body. This can take the form of irritation, impatience, a somber mood, a desire to hurt, anger, rage, depression, a need to have some drama in your relationship, and so on. Catch it the moment 9it awakens from its dormant state.
The pain-body wants to survive, just like every other entity in existence, and it can only survive if it gets you to unconsciously identify with it. It can then rise up, take you over, "become you," and live through you. It needs to get its "food" though you. It will feed on any experience that resonates iwth its own kind of energy, anything that creates further pain in whatever form: anger, destructiveness, hatred, grief, emotional drama, violence, and even illness. So the pain]body, when it has taken you over, will create a situation in your life that reflects back its own energy frequency for it to feed on. Pain can only feed on pain. Pain cannot feed on joy. It finds it quite indigestible.
Once the pain-body has taken you over, you want more pain. You become a victim or a perpetrator. You want to inflict pain, or you want to suffer pain, or both. There isn't really much difference between the two. You are not conscious of this, of course, and will vehemently claim that you do not want pain. But look closely and you will find that your thinking and behavior are designed to keep the pain going, for yourself and others. If you were truly conscious of it, the pattern would dissolve, for to want more pain is insanity, and nobody is consciously insane.
The pain-body, which is the dark shadow case by the ego, is actually afraid of the light of your consciousness. It is afraid of being found out. Its survival depends on your unconscious identification with it, as well as on your unconcious fear of facing the pain that lives in you. But if you don't face it, if you don't bring the light of your consciousness into the pain, you will be forced to relive it again and again. The pain-body may seem to you like a dangerous monster that you cannot bear to look at, but I assure you that it is an insubstantial phantom that cannot prevail against the power of your presence.
Some spiritual teachings state that all pain is ultimately an illusion, and this is true. The question is: Is it true for you? A mere belief doesn't make it true. Do you want to experience pain for the rest of your life and keep saying that it is an illusion? Does that free you from the pain? What we are concerned with here is how you can realize this truth--that is, make it real in your own experience.
So the pain-body doesn't want you to observe it directly and see it for what it is. The moment you observe it, feel its energy field within you, and take your attention to it, the identification is broken. A higher dimension of consciousness has come in. I call it presence. You are now the witness or the watcher of the pain-body. This means that it cannot use you anymore by pretending to be you, and it can no longer replenish itself through you. You have found your own innermost strength. You have accessed the power of now.
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Basically he says that if you can recognize that the voice in your head is not YOU but the conditionings layered onto you by the society we live in, then you can silence it. Because the ego can not survive and function while being observed and analyzed.
I don't think he's correct here (remember he had to do no such thing but instead was instantly "enlightened") I have recognized that voice is not me but instead my programs/ego. I have observed it and analyzed it and it didn't stop. What it did do however is quit feeding me patterns that are not helpful for me. In other words it cut the crap and behaved itself.
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Re: The Petty Tyrant [Re: Icelander]
#7804359 - 12/27/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Seperating yourself from these things, always causes a problem. Identifying with any one thing, is the belief that we are our capacities. In relation to this, we see that our capacity to overcome our ego and conditionings, is our new identity.
We then become obsessed with freeing our minds, by seperating ourselves from it first, then fighting it with whatever we feel works.
We have been taught we are a capacity, that this is how we should define ourselves. Through our actions, feelings and thoughts, we usually do not see the problems with this cycle.
A person is not a potential and capacity. We play with capácities and potentials. We use them so we can enjoy and they ultimatly bring us to knowing our true selves, through being illusioned to believe we are them.
Yet a capacity to me is the a potential to do, to actualize something. Potential being the room to do these things. The precurser to anything that occurs. In this, i see we cannot be a capacity, we are not the potential to jump, for instyance, we are the thing jumping, actualizaing the potential to jump.
All judgements are based on this assumption. All this world is based on these assumptions.
Meh, you need the bad to see the good.
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Re: The Petty Tyrant [Re: Icelander]
#7809740 - 12/29/07 04:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: Basically he says that if you can recognize that the voice in your head is not YOU but the conditionings layered onto you by the society we live in, then you can silence it. Because the ego can not survive and function while being observed and analyzed.
I don't think he's correct here (remember he had to do no such thing but instead was instantly "enlightened") I have recognized that voice is not me but instead my programs/ego. I have observed it and analyzed it and it didn't stop. What it did do however is quit feeding me patterns that are not helpful for me. In other words it cut the crap and behaved itself.
if it is still there and you are believing every word it says, then you are still identifying with it. what Tolle is trying to get us to do is to end ALL identification with our egos (weather they be positive or negative egos) and base our sense of self on the now, to constantly be aware of the present moment, to identify with what is, not what our ego is saying.
by observing your ego, it has changed it's behavior pattern to maintain survival. keep up the observation and it will soon dissolve.
and remember, it may take a lifetime to realize this, but enlightenment happens instantaneously. in fact, it can't take any amount to become enlightened because time is a construct the ego uses to maintain survival and enlightenment is the non-identification with the ego and all of its constructs, time being one of them.
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Non i dentification with the ego is extremly difficult. In our world, you cannot believe there is not time. You have to work, otherwise you do not eat. People in this world run on what you cal an ego and they are not even aware of it. I think it is not possible to choose to look at things through what you have set in mind to do. IE: if you spend time with people who run on their egos, you will not identify with them and this seems extremly hard.
I think this is what causes all disruptions in the world. People not identifying with other people. People feeling like positive can exist without negative. And openly acting on it and segregating yourself from the very thing that makes you, you - the experience of the not you.
I think this is why all revolutions, all religionns fail to unify people...they seperate themselves from the part of them that they should not identify with and then begin the outer menfestation of it on the outside...where you there occurs more division, sometimes violent.
I think maybe i didnt understand identification.
But i know personally this does not work...
-------------------- The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution. And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change. Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems. Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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