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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: Fospher]
    #5479086 - 04/04/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Did you, or did you not make a direct negative generalization on all mormons based on one persons words?

I dont care what you tried (poorly) to infer, in a place where all you have is words, literal meaning is default.


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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5479198 - 04/04/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Did you, or did you not make a direct negative generalization on all mormons based on one persons words?




No.

Do you realize the nature of implication? Just because I was talking about something, doesn't mean it was my direct point.

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I dont care what you tried (poorly) to infer, in a place where all you have is words, literal meaning is default.




If that were true, books couldn't contain metaphors, allusions, or have a different intent than the literal meaning of the words.


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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: Fospher]
    #5479239 - 04/04/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Just because I was talking about something, doesn't mean it was my direct point.




yes, this statement makes total sense.... because actually this post is all about the impact that vibrators have on third world countries....

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If that were true, books couldn't contain metaphors, allusions, or have a different intent than the literal meaning of the words.




This isnt a book, this is a conversation. How much understanding would we have if we all talked in hyperboles such as yourself?
It saddens me that the first and only two encounters with you have been arguing semantics of a discussion, but you back yourself into a corner and wont give it up.

"Oh, well I know that is exactly what I said, but I didnt mean for it to translate like that!"

Often times, when I use cynical remarks, I have to type /cynicism to get the point across.


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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5479314 - 04/04/06 01:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:yes, this statement makes total sense.... because actually this post is all about the impact that vibrators have on third world countries....




The complexity of language give us the possibility of implying something else besides the literal translation said. No longer do we have to convey a point step by step as tribal nations. What happened? Did you miss the evolution?

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This isnt a book, this is a conversation.




Does it matter? Books have conversations as well, and the reader is understanding the words on the page in the same fashion that you do on the screen.

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It saddens me that the first and only two encounters with you have been arguing semantics of a discussion, but you back yourself into a corner and wont give it up.

"Oh, well I know that is exactly what I said, but I didnt mean for it to translate like that!"




Funny how you make me seem relentless of arguing, then act completely childish with mockery of misquotes. That's not a direct meaning is it? I never said that, did I? And if it's not direct, why are you using it?


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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: Fospher]
    #5479352 - 04/04/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I met a mormon once, she wanted me to go to a website to get a free book

I figured I wouldn't read it but she was very kind and I likewise to her. She asked if I was a Christian and I said "not particularly".

Then she wished me good day.


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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5479354 - 04/04/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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It saddens me that the first and only two encounters with you have been arguing semantics of a discussion




After reading this thread and the Quantum mechanics one, it seems you're the one who started in with this inane nonsense.


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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5479429 - 04/04/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

sure i started it, but with a valid point (IMO). Each time I point something out, I dont hope that it turns to arguing whether or not there was a proper use of a gerund or if the umlaut used was superflous.
Usually, these sidetracks stem from someone not being able to properly sidestep a counter point to their argument, and attempts to distract or wriggle out of it by calling a semantic technicality, which can be a valid deflection in an argument, but not when the technicality wasnt even true.

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No longer do we have to convey a point step by step as tribal nations.



Which then Fospher goes on to convey a point step by step......also notice how the only colorful, alternative meaning phrases is the one supposed hyperbole that started this whole sidetrack.

Also.... misquotes? can you show me a misquote of mine please.


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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5479496 - 04/04/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I can understand your point, I just think you went about it the wrong way. He didn't mean it as a generalization, but to you, that is what he said. I would have let him know, because of how he phrased his sentence, its easy to misunderstand it as a generalization and then drop it.

There's no sense in creating some formalist vs deconstructist argument. Not in a thread like this.
If you're going to do that, at least start a new thread.


But.... enough of my pompous mediating, I'll leave you alone now.


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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5479627 - 04/04/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

what is so bad about calling a moronic religion moronic? other tyopes of far-fetched ideas may be called out, but not religion?


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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5479795 - 04/04/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I tried that in the QM thread, and look what happened.


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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: pip182]
    #5479802 - 04/04/06 04:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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We just try to do the right thing and make the world a better place, like everyone should be doing




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You guys are retarded.....but people are so fucking retarded they can't see that for some reason. So just pull your head out of your ass.




If one cannot keep oneself from completely contradicting the practice of one's faith within the same paragraph, then their faith is either bullshit or their application of it. Which one is it?


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I'll tell you that we belive in, christ, yeah jesus christ, damn... thats so hard to believe right? Mormon's are good people. 




As if refering to believing in Jesus Christ simplifies it in any manner. Considering the thousands of different Christian churches, I think you might need to elaborate. "Mormons are good people"... care to demonstrate?

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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: chaospilot]
    #5479815 - 04/04/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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The reason mormons and scientologist are picked on(along with the other religions), is because they are different from the main stream.




Um, no.  :rolleyes:

Scientology is rallied agansit because it is not a religion. It is, quite simply, a scam that's sole purpose is to fleece people.

Time Magazine May 6th, 1991 Cover Story "Scientology: The Thriving Cult Of Greed And Power"

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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5479832 - 04/04/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Scientology is a religion, and no less valid than any other belief. Like TIME magazine is such a credible source that it can be taken for truth at face value..... yeah.

How about actually finding out what the actual beliefs are before you blindly bash them based on secondary or tertiary word of mouth?


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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: Temptress]
    #5479910 - 04/04/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

>>>>what is so bad about calling a moronic religion moronic?

haha, just what I was thinking. When you point out a particular story in religion is "highly questionable" to a person who is a member of that religion, they tend to believe you're commenting on their religion as a whole, which often it what's going on.

Either that, or they actually believe the moronic parts, which is probably true more often than not.

In the first instance, you'll have someone defending their religions integrity, in the second you'll have someone defending their sanity.

Oddly enough, since Mormons heap "highly questionable" storys on top of "highly questionable" storys, I've found that Mormons are much happier and giving than the average Christian. I would guess this is due to Christianity being a "norm", acceptable to lackluster, dull brained people, but with Mormons, which are generally frowned upon by society, a person has to take a leap of faith, take a chance, to become a member.

I like to think that forcing the mind to believe things that would logically be termed "bull shit" is a way (not the only way) to jump start the imagination and cause a meaningful change in ones life. If Jesus hadn't been resurrected, it would be much harder for a believer to have faith in the Christian god. If Joe hadn't found some gold tablets, who would believe Jesus visited America? If Joe hadn't found gold tablets and started a religion, how could he have obtained 28 wives?

An untruth can be very powerful! But watch out, lies have a way of coming back on you. Joe found this out with a broken shoulder and several knife wounds as he was shot to death.

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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5479923 - 04/04/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Scientology is a religion, and no less valid than any other belief. Like TIME magazine is such a credible source that it can be taken for truth at face value..... yeah.

How about actually finding out what the actual beliefs are before you blindly bash them based on secondary or tertiary word of mouth?




:lol:

I wonder where this mecca of Scientology exists, as THE SOURCE.

Your question is one that is repeatedly thrusted at critics of Scientology. For one thing, I can't afford the thousands and thousands of dollars required to discover their believes. Secondly, I do not have to actually stick my hand into a burning flame and hold it there for a few hours in order to accept the valid reasoning of those who explain why it would not be a good idea to do so.

As for your lazy, unmoving cricitism of Time magazine, it is entirely evident that you have not even read it. As a news journal, a great deal of the information it provides can be verified through other sources. When it is stated that a federal court declared, in 1971, that an E-meter auditing cannot be called a scientific treatment, one can research into that and verify it.

When it states that the IRS "conducted its own auditing sessions" (:lol: gotta love the subtle, intelligent humor apparent) in the '70's and proved that Hubbard was stealing millions of dollars from the church, using fake corporations in foreign countries to launder the money, and using Swiss bank accounts to hold it, one can look into that and verify it. When it states that the IRS sought an endictment of Hubbard for tax fraud, yes, you know it, that can be verified.

If I were you, I would consider finding a more effective refutation than "um, you don't know the beliefs from the source, so, like, ja, you are wrong".

Under your proposed line of reasoning, the beliefs of the Heaven's Gate cult are just as equally valid and to be considered by their own merit as that of Scientology. The fact that someone makes up a bunch of bullshit to rip people off doesn't mean that the belief itself should actually be considered a religion. :lol:

Besides, isn't scientology more of an alternative to psychology than a religion? :lol: :smirk: :rolleyes:

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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: chaospilot]
    #5480049 - 04/04/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Xenu is proud!

Continue with the propoganda, err I mean truth telling.

Be a good scientologist and I'll bump you to first class seating in my DC-8 intergellactic fleet  :thumbup:


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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5480053 - 04/04/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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We just try to do the right thing and make the world a better place, like everyone should be doing




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You guys are retarded.....but people are so fucking retarded they can't see that for some reason. So just pull your head out of your ass.




If one cannot keep oneself from completely contradicting the practice of one's faith within the same paragraph, then their faith is either bullshit or their application of it. Which one is it?


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I'll tell you that we belive in, christ, yeah jesus christ, damn... thats so hard to believe right? Mormon's are good people. 




As if refering to believing in Jesus Christ simplifies it in any manner. Considering the thousands of different Christian churches, I think you might need to elaborate. "Mormons are good people"... care to demonstrate?

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I already apologized for my remarks, I feel like a dumb ass for writing that stuff, it was just one of those days, but i'm gonna leave that post like that so I know how rude I was.

As for mormon's being good people, here's a story for ya.

I recently lost my job at 17$ an hour and it was a bitch to find any work, one day the releif society president knocks on our door, and says... "so i hear you lost your job, we are going to let you go to the bishops storehouse and get whatever you want", so she gave us a huge list of food and supplies and we had to write down what we wanted and how much we wanted. This seriously helped so much, especially with having a little baby, we probobly got about 200$ worth of food and supplies for free, and they were going to let us do that every two weeks until I found a job, but I did find a job a week later. That was the nicest thing to ever happen to us.


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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: pip182]
    #5480091 - 04/04/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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pip182 said:
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fireworks_god said:
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pip182 said:
We just try to do the right thing and make the world a better place, like everyone should be doing




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You guys are retarded.....but people are so fucking retarded they can't see that for some reason. So just pull your head out of your ass.




If one cannot keep oneself from completely contradicting the practice of one's faith within the same paragraph, then their faith is either bullshit or their application of it. Which one is it?


Quote:


I'll tell you that we belive in, christ, yeah jesus christ, damn... thats so hard to believe right? Mormon's are good people. 




As if refering to believing in Jesus Christ simplifies it in any manner. Considering the thousands of different Christian churches, I think you might need to elaborate. "Mormons are good people"... care to demonstrate?

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I already apologized for my remarks, I feel like a dumb ass for writing that stuff, it was just one of those days, but i'm gonna leave that post like that so I know how rude I was.

As for mormon's being good people, here's a story for ya.

I recently lost my job at 17$ an hour and it was a bitch to find any work, one day the releif society president knocks on our door, and says... "so i hear you lost your job, we are going to let you go to the bishops storehouse and get whatever you want", so she gave us a huge list of food and supplies and we had to write down what we wanted and how much we wanted. This seriously helped so much, especially with having a little baby, we probobly got about 200$ worth of food and supplies for free, and they were going to let us do that every two weeks until I found a job, but I did find a job a week later. That was the nicest thing to ever happen to us.




Xenu agrees, ONLY Mormons and maybe Scientologists do nice deeds for others.

Xenu loved his people so much too, even though I nuked trillions of them.

As long as you do nice things, all the bad stupid things we can pretend don't happen and everything will be fine.


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Re: "People say the darndest things about Mormons" [Re: pip182]
    #5480148 - 04/04/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You don't know the history of Mormonism, I DO.

ALL Religions are all in your imagination, find a REAL religion like Scientology.


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