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Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality?
    #3014882 - 08/17/04 07:39 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Well... it looks that way.


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: Sclorch]
    #3014895 - 08/17/04 07:43 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: Sclorch]
    #3014926 - 08/17/04 07:57 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

?A warrior-hunter deals intimately with his world, and yet he is inaccessible to that same world. He taps it lightly, stays for as long as he needs to, and then swiftly moves away, leaving hardly a mark.?


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: Sclorch]
    #3014936 - 08/17/04 08:01 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

It certainly is the key to spirituality for those who live in an ostensive spiritual shell that protects the fundamental engine which runs on the beliefuel derived from the psychogenic oilfields drilled by the Sheeps of Society who are certified by the State of Ignorance.



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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: Sclorch]
    #3014938 - 08/17/04 08:01 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Please elaborate.


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #3014988 - 08/17/04 08:19 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I have my certification in hand truly, for I am a native to the State of Ignorance.


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3014991 - 08/17/04 08:19 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

A warrior-hunter deals intimately with his world, and yet he is inaccessible to that same world. He taps it lightly, stays for as long as he needs to, and then swiftly moves away, leaving hardly a mark.

?A fiction-writer deals intimately with his world, and yet he is inaccessible to that same world. He lies about it's veracity, stays for as long as he makes money, and then swiftly moves away, leaving hardly a mark.?


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: Swami]
    #3015031 - 08/17/04 08:30 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I could ...and would quote Arthur C. Clarke as quickly were it appropriate, for there is much wisdom (argueably more than in Casteneda's work) in his fiction. The idea of the communications sattelite was inspired by a Clarke story. Just because it was fiction made it no less valid. I love Casteneda, but I know the flaw in his work as well, and accept it as what it is. Many things can serve to inspire. Another writer who inspired me was J.R.R. Tolkein. ("You are a very fine person Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!").


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: Sclorch]
    #3015721 - 08/17/04 11:17 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

You have a gift of being succinct as well as perceptive.


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: Sclorch]
    #3015922 - 08/17/04 11:54 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Well if it looked that way then it wouldn't be obscure?


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: Sclorch]
    #3017314 - 08/18/04 10:12 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

heh, as if there's one certain key to all of spirituality.


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: Sclorch]
    #3028622 - 08/20/04 03:19 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

So.... I'm right then.

Man, sometimes it sucks being right.


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: Sclorch]
    #3028680 - 08/20/04 03:41 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Man, sometimes it sucks being right.

I need to find a woman who is right.  :cool:


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: Sclorch]
    #3028931 - 08/20/04 04:56 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

> Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality?

Perhaps. I have experienced things which I cannot put into words, or grasp with a logical mind... the best way that I can describe these experiences is with contradictions, such as "Blue is Green". I don't mean to be obscure; I understand exactly what the meaning is, but to others it seems that I am speaking gibberish. I do not know if these experiences are spiritual, or simply the result of an alter consciousness (drug induced, or other). Regardless, they have opened my mind to accept possibilities beyond what I can see, touch, feel, or know which ultimately has made me a better person.


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: Seuss]
    #3029029 - 08/20/04 05:17 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I think the ability to think out of the box is a good start. Boxes define and limit things and spirit is infinite and indefinable. One really has to let go of what they cling to in order to capture it. Even then, it is like water and will run through your fingers and if you move to contain it, it will run stagnant and stale over time.

Just some random thoughts on this.


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: Seuss]
    #3030979 - 08/21/04 02:15 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

"Perhaps. I have experienced things which I cannot put into words, or grasp with a logical mind... the best way that I can describe these experiences is with contradictions, such as "Blue is Green". I don't mean to be obscure; I understand exactly what the meaning is, but to others it seems that I am speaking gibberish. I do not know if these experiences are spiritual, or simply the result of an alter consciousness (drug induced, or other). Regardless, they have opened my mind to accept possibilities beyond what I can see, touch, feel, or know which ultimately has made me a better person. "


Everything is describable, it is merely an issue of finding the correct language.

Barring that, it's merely an issue of using language that's close repeatedly. Working from the outside in, not the other way around. You reference things that are clearly understandable and work towards the more confusing from that point -- establish a ground for the listener to stand upon, and then you paint the trees and rocks along the way until you finally show them the rock that looks like a tree, only not, that you really can't describe too well.

You don't start with the funky thing and work outwards.. that gives a confusing start, and when you don't know where you're starting from picturing what is next can be mighty difficult.

As I said.. everything is describable through plainly understood english. And, if a word did not exist, it would be neccessary to create it. If you can make the context explicit enough, you can get away with it.. words are, after all, merely symbols representing our thoughts. There is no such thing as something that can be thought but not said, there are only things that may be difficult to describe.

Obscurity makes spirituality easy. Anyone can seem wise if none can understand what they say -- but don't they say the same thing about the fool, he speaks only gibberish?

I'd rather be a rightfully misunderstood fool than a deceitfully understood prophet.

There is no thinking outside the box. There is no BOX. There's only what is, and what you only think is.

"YA KNOW WHAT? THERE IS NO EASTER BUNNY..OVER THERE, THAT'S JUST A GUY IN A SUIT!"

Reality is, no one really cares if you believe in the easter bunny, but it's mighty silly to do so. Even if not believing in the easter bunny is inside the 'box', actually especially if, going outside of the box would be nothing but foolish and fruitless. You might return with tales of a magical rabbit that leaves eggs for kids in the spring, but it's really not hard to make things up.


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: Sclorch]
    #3031033 - 08/21/04 02:35 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Hooray for what we can see... "damn thats bright!"  :cool:


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #3031109 - 08/21/04 02:57 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

That was a cool read. I speak gibberish too.  My comment of thinking outside of the box does correlate with starting from the obscure as you mentioned and working your way into the understandable. Thats my MO.

The box is just an expression for peoples set beleifs and you're right, it is an illusion and doesn't truly exist.

Looking forward to more gibberish from you! :rockon:


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3033729 - 08/21/04 08:15 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

"That was a cool read. I speak gibberish too. My comment of thinking outside of the box does correlate with starting from the obscure as you mentioned and working your way into the understandable. Thats my MO."

Actually that's what I had said was incorrect.

You work from the understandable towards the unknown, beginning with the unknown means that none will understand you until the end.
Of course, if you want to seem as if you are imparting some sacred and secret knowledge upon them, but aren't, placing your starting point somewhere they won't understand and only ENDING with something they can nod their heads at and understand.. well, that works quite well.

Of course, if you're actually intending to be understood by anybody, you start first with what they... understand. They may lose you halfway in, but at least they know how they got there.


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Successful Posts in S&P? [Re: Sclorch]
    #3034692 - 08/22/04 12:47 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Well... it looks that way.


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #3034845 - 08/22/04 01:32 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Mushmonkey said:Of course, if you want to seem as if you are imparting some sacred and secret knowledge upon them, but aren't, placing your starting point somewhere they won't understand and only ENDING with something they can nod their heads at and understand.. well, that works quite well.



Now take a look at the majority of the posts in this forum.


Attention is short-lived... so if that's what you're looking for, it's easier to keep it when you go for obscurity.


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #3037002 - 08/22/04 07:35 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Ahhhhhhh,

Yes, I did misunderstand you. However, the way I move works for me. It seems people here want ground to set there ladders on and then they start the climb.

I do understand and respect this appraoch to life. It is stable and safe, or is it? Hmmmmm I question everything.

Here's what i see that some don't. Earth quakes hit now and again crumbling foundations. THERE IS NO SURE GROUND in this life to stand on. Only ONE thing NEVER changes and that is change. I've come to accept that and therefor, I am learning to fly, so when the ground break apart that I am standing on, I won't fall in.

When you want to park it, you drop anchor or tie the lines to dock post. When you want to go on a sailing adventure or off exploring, you host the anchor and untie the lines so you can move with the wind and sea.

I have come as far as to realise this

Consciousness is like liquid light and emotions are like aetheric water. I am swimming in an ocean that has NO bottom top or ends.

The ground we stand upon is an illusion that gives us a false sense of security. At best all we can do is make it up by giving things weight for a time by whatever means suit us.

This is why I have to reduce things and make them dense when I want something stable to stand on "for a time".

When you start with the obscure and move to the understandable, you begin to see life from this perspective.

I know everyone is not ready or willing to for obvious reasons. One being fear, fear the ladder will fall, fear of sailing into storms, and fear of sinking and drowning.

I say, many need to get a grip on themselevs. When you have a grip on YOURSELF, you don't need to stand on ground that will eventually crumble to feel safe and secure. If you beleive that your safety and security comes from the ground you stand on then you will be screwed when it crumbles without knowing how to fly or swim.

Even the screwing will be a temporary experience, a mind fuck, an illusion, because there is no where to fall too in an infinite sea that has no bottom or gravity of its own save for the pull back to source "found in the heart within".

I think thats what scares the hell out of people- meeting up with the source within. Thats why they keep looking without and standing on other peoples rocks or ones of their own versus using the source within as their foundation and pillar when the tides churn up.

Mind you, the above is all phiolosphy and I care not to turn it into a scientific debate of facts. It is food to give the philosophical mind something to chew on and perhaps satisfy the soul.


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3038097 - 08/23/04 12:54 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Great... someone forgot to wipe their boots off before they came into my thread...

And I just had the friggin' carpets cleaned... argh!


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: Sclorch]
    #3038120 - 08/23/04 01:03 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

3M Scotch Guard is my recommendation.


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Re: Is Obscurity the Key to Spirituality? [Re: Sclorch]
    #3038189 - 08/23/04 01:37 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Sclorch said:
Sometimes it's more painful to NOT shake things up in the ol' brainpan. [/quote




Exactly! And thats why I posted what I did!  You can dish out the advise but ya can't follow it huh?

I don't follow a lot of my own either. Just making a point cuz you were begging to be poked with one. :wink:


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