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The Spiritual Path *revisited*
    #3127050 - 09/12/04 10:07 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

After my absolute rebellion to it today, I can't deny that there seems to be some sort of collective path. It seems that people do go through certain stages and phases of awakening at different times and not even in order, but non the less they are relatable.

There's a lot of talk about surrendering your will over to divine will. I use to reason that if I am a divine being then my will is it's will. Any thoughts on this one?

There's talk of a divine plan or agenda and the rebel in me wants to create and follow MY OWN. Sometimes I wonder if that's the programming surfacing of "orignal sin" "separation from source" yada yada for reprogramming. Anyone feel this way?

Do you ever sometimes feel like you are getting sucked in by a force greater then that of your own will? If so, do you ever resist it? Do ever feel like you are being pulled towards something and feel the desire to pull away from it because this little something inside says, you are almost there, break free.

I don't feel this way all of the time but I do more often lately. Can anyone relate? Can anyone add to this or give outside perspective on it.

Do you ever get tired of seeking answers only to realise that every answer comes with 10 more questions and realising how much more there is to know that you don't? Do you ever get overwhelmed and want to stick your head in the sand?

Sometimes it feels like I am growing to big for this egg I am in and I crack and break free only to find myself growing to big for another egg I am in and so on and so on. Sometimes, it dawns on me that this shit never ends and I want to hit the pause button and smell the roses. Anyone ever feel like this?


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Re: The Spiritual Path *revisited* [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3127208 - 09/12/04 10:49 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, that's why I haven't been posting in S & P much lately. I spent a couple years pursuing the "spiritual path", thinking I was almost "there", wherever "there" is. Then all of a sudden none of it mattered and I just wanted to live my life without all this bullshit. Thinking about all this spiritually just led me to more and more thinking, which felt like a waste of time. It is what it is - I don't need to analyze everything to death.

Now I go to work and do all my mundane activities without feeling like I should be doing something "spiritual" instead, but I also can sit back and appreciate the wonders of life that I wouldn't have known without my exploration. I appreciate it, but it's more like a part of my daily life, not something I need to chase and continually think about and discuss. Something pops in my head and I don't really care why it happens or what it means. I'm just going about my life and trying to do the right thing - both in the physical, material world, and in whatever spiritual world there is.


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Re: The Spiritual Path *revisited* [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3127271 - 09/12/04 11:02 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

"There's a lot of talk about surrendering your will over to divine will. I use to reason that if I am a divine being then my will is it's will. Any thoughts on this one?"

i dont think you realize what a profound insight this is. Your will is indeed 'God's Will'

That is the great secret behind being created in gods image. God is the creative force, and he created you. Not in his physical image, but rather he gifted you with your own power of creation.

He gives you the power, and whatever you do with it is indeed in tune with his will.

This is deeper than i can explain right now, but in the bible they talk about the supremely secret name of god, and that name is I AM.

Say it aloud to yourself. I AM.

YOU are.

God hasn't so much 'made' you as temporarily allowed you to seperate from him. You are in fact a piece of god, but within every piece is contained the whole. The purpose of this life is for you to use your god given power to experience yourself and your world as you want it to be (and as you want yourself to be) . It is a time to decide who you are. It is your opportunity to take an active part in the continuous unfolding of creation.

However, the time will come when you, the little flame, are called back to your source, which we could compare to the sun.

We are all GOD, and we are here to experience our own creation (and that creation includes ourselves! we are creating ourselves!) However, even now as you temporarily inhabit this human body, you are still GOD and thus your will is GODS will.

GOD is IAM
YOU are IAM
YOU ARE GOD


sorry that might be more than you were looking for


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Re: The Spiritual Path *revisited* [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3127277 - 09/12/04 11:05 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Moonshoe said:
GOD is IAM
YOU are IAM
YOU ARE GOD





correction:
GOD is IAOM
YOU are IAM
YOU are a part of GOD


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Re: The Spiritual Path *revisited* [Re: Renegade8]
    #3127427 - 09/12/04 11:42 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Renegade,

THANKYOU!  :hug: You completely related to the feelings I am having that promoted this post and thats all I wanted- "some one" to relate and understand without tripping on me for being afraid to take next steps or some spiritual mumbo jumbo cuz thats not what this is about. Or worse, when i would bring this up to friends, they took offense to it as if I was saying this isn't where it's at like I was thumbing my nose to it all because I'm not and neither did you.

I've been a foot in and one out for almost a year now and am having trouble getting the other foot out. It's what I want for the same reasons you went for it. I'm having a really hard time unplugging as it seems next to impossible though. Definetely much better then last summer.

But, there is a glimmer of hope.

Moonshoe, I came to realise all of the I AM and being an individuation of source stuff a long time ago. They are powerful realisations to so I am glad you posted them here for others!

I've been feeling something I can't put into words and was hoping somebody else would be able too.

About the divine will/agenda versus my own will/agenda bit. I have experienced surrendering to the whole and it's awesome for a time but then I feel oblivious to the point of it not being productive in this life and then I pull back but life gets more difficult and negative for some reason.

After reading these replies, I just thought of something I never did before. When I would go to surrender to the larger self and plan, it was an act of surrendering to something a part from me in wisdom and beyond me.

Thats where I was getting fucked up-I think. I felt like it was a divine will or my will choice and treated it that way. When I thought I was following MY will, life did become more difficult. Comparing the two experiences is what had me put it all in question because they seemed different.

It never dawned on me until just now that I can surrender to my will and wisdom that is beyond me. Total cohesion. this makes the two ONE. ahhhhhhhh I think thats it. This is what I am going to focus on for the next week.

It seems like "duh" now and so subtle you wouldn't think there was a difference but it looks huge to me based on what was in my head before and now!

You guys rock! THANKYOU!

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Re: The Spiritual Path *revisited* [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3127511 - 09/13/04 12:09 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I have to add to what i wrote as someone else may be able to relate and use it up the road once it's in words.

I understand that what is outside of me is also within me. For some reason, when it came to divine will and my will, I was holding them separate. I also understnd the duality in that and just never saw that is what I was doing in this ONE case.

naturally, when I would shift in my mind from divine will to my will, I was putting up resistance to something and thats where the added struggle and negativity would come from.

I find it unbelievable that I did not see this right in front of my face all of this time. Wonder if it was one of those tricks your ego plays on you to keep itself separate????????

This has been about more. On this spiritual quest, have you ever jacked yourself up with soooooo much love/light that you become blinded by it? I mean, to such an extent, there are no problems in the world or in your life?

I don't know if that is so good or not. people start to think you don't care about "global human suffering issues" or that you are insensitive to their problems and ya catch a lot of flck for it. They trip on you for not taking action on the problems they see. Any thoughts or relation on this one?


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Re: The Spiritual Path *revisited* [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3127860 - 09/13/04 01:37 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

There's a lot of talk about surrendering your will over to divine will. I use to reason that if I am a divine being then my will is it's will. Any thoughts on this one?




That is what I believe, in my faith.  My belief is that it's not "my will be done" but "His (God's) will be done".  I can seek whatever I want, but ultimately, I put it into God's hands and tell Him, "Okay, you know what I want, but whatever you think is best is fine by me."  Something like that.

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There's talk of a divine plan or agenda and the rebel in me wants to create and follow MY OWN. Sometimes I wonder if that's the programming surfacing of "orignal sin" "separation from source" yada yada for reprogramming. Anyone feel this way?




Well, I am a rebel, too.  I think it's also called "oppositional defiance disorder", if you believe what the psychs call it.  :grin:  And I never thought of it that way, but maybe our rebellion has to do with original sin, if one believes in such.  (I do, I think.)

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Do you ever sometimes feel like you are getting sucked in by a force greater then that of your own will? If so, do you ever resist it? Do ever feel like you are being pulled towards something and feel the desire to pull away from it because this little something inside says, you are almost there, break free.




Yes.  But a couple of years ago, I sort of gave in to God.  Up until that point, I thought I was believing in God, and praying about things, and trusting Him, but then I realized that I was just going about my own business.  (Long story.)

I realized that if I believed in God, then I had to believe that He had my interests at heart, even if they didn't always coincide with what I thought were my interests. 

So I decided to start looking for "signs" for what I believed God wanted me to do.  A short time later, I found this essay by Ralph Waldo Emerson wherein he expressed very eloquently what I felt.  I won't requote the whole thing here, but basically he said that the divine universe has put before us what it is that we are here to do, and all we have to do is pay attention to the signs. 

If we pay attention to the signs, if we do what we are supposed to do, then our lives will be easier than we make them.

But like Renegade said, it's all like opening a pandora's box.  One question leads to another.  But I also read a book by some guy, whose name I can't remember right now, and some "guru" in that book says to the author that sometimes, we can be "not spiritual". 

But I'm not tired of seeking the truth.  What wears me out is waiting for so long for the next answer.  The next piece of the puzzle.  Granted, it's MY puzzle, but hey, it's my life, and my thoughts.  So I'll build the puzzle any damned way I want, based on whatever piece of information that I think is pertinent. 

:grin:


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Re: The Spiritual Path *revisited* [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3128003 - 09/13/04 02:11 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i can identify with everything you've said, as there have been times in my life where i wish i could have gotten away from my culture and gotten into an ashram to really purify myself.
there have been times where i've thought i didn't need a spiritual path, because i was fully capable of being my own creative visionary.
there have been times where i've found all of it to be overwhelming, that i couldn't balance it out with my needs for a social life, a lover, travel, enculturation, and retreated to all this for comfort.
there have been times where i've been felt such great bliss that my own mother thought i was callus because deaths in the family didn't even phase me...
yeah, i go through phases too.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: The Spiritual Path *revisited* [Re: Frog]
    #3128948 - 09/13/04 12:35 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

That was nice read frog, from the heart of your experience. 

Surrendering to a higher will, making it separate from my own is what I ultimately kept pushing away from me.  I would start questioning free will stuff and think that if I am following the will of another then what the fuck good is my free will. I would start to feel like somethings pawn or puppet in someone else game plan and then get defiant.

I repeated this at least 5 times in the last year. I want to be the creator of my own game plan. I want full use of my free will. I want to follow my higher wisdom that is beyond me by the signs it provides me.


For whatever reason I had the two separated doesn't matter. I know separation is an illusion and leads to duality struggles. The duality in this is the idea that there is a force out there more all knowing or powerful then myself "on the grander scale" and thats not true to me at all. I beleive in spiritual equity accross the board.

I beleive whatever source intelligence and creative energy is, we are just the same.

I've known that for at least 10 years. How did it keep evading me in this one case of surrender? That's been the problem out to get my attention. They are one in the same when it comes to surrendering as well.

Now that I look at surrender as being surrendering to MYSELF, this pattern will cease. I broke it finally and "healed" this area of separation in my programming. What a relief!

Talk about guiding signs! Before I was posted this, i was thinking about it all and was thinking of just removing myself from reading here for a while to clear my head. I went to watch TV and found VH1's I love the 90's and thought that would pull my head out of the spirit zone.

They were showing the movie independance day and playing will smiths song getting jiggy with it in the back round. I busrt out laughing. I was like okay, so leaving a board for the bit won't solve a thing. I came back here later and posted this and TA DA. I got my solution out of it.

Cosmic Joke!
Yes, it sounds like you did totally understand the other element of my post. I can't beleive you mentioned the funeral thing and your family thinking you are callous. That happened to me too. I still want an answer to understanding if our oblivion to pain, loss and suffering, is a good thing or not. Does it serve us to be oblivious to the realities of others if a primary goal here is to relate to others and develop compassion? Maybe I will start a post on this. Your user name has a lot to do with this too. I like it!

Thanks for sharing here everyone! This convo has meant much to me!:heart:


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Re: The Spiritual Path *revisited* [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3129114 - 09/13/04 01:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

It is a neutral thing :wink:

Not to worry, as you are without worry.


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Re: The Spiritual Path *revisited* [Re: deff]
    #3129164 - 09/13/04 01:27 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I'll tell what fucked me up this time. Having 3 hurricanes aimed at your ass in 4 weeks. One with 160 mph winds.

If that doesn't get you spiritual and re-questioning possible powers and wills beyond your own and your equality to neutralize them I don't know what will.

The first time I "surrendered to Divine will" was 9 years ago, when life was aball, but I began to feel like I was missing the boat and wasn't thrilled with a lot of my decisions. I gave up on myself and turned my life over. I got smacked with NASTY hurricane that altered my life and put me on "the path" hardcore.

I am laughing now at how it has come up again being faced with more hurricanes.

I was fucken angry at all of what happened with '95 hurricane and pissed off I turned my will over and found my ass finding spirit at the loss of an awesoem fun life in paradise. That anger still comes up and I question if the exhcange was worth it. It was.

Now I am looking back on it realising that i just turned my ego will over to MY higher will and that IN FACT it was my higher will to experience all of that. No more blame, no more anger, total acceptance today.

I am at peace!


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Re: The Spiritual Path *revisited* [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3129176 - 09/13/04 01:28 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Great to hear :smile:

We are all at peace, whether we realize it or not


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Re: The Spiritual Path *revisited* [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3129968 - 09/13/04 04:10 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

gettinjiggywithit
you definately ought to come down to their level and relate with them.... you don't give them a rap on mysticism, you think of experiences you can relate with them. you share activities that ease their mind - if you know they're good at baking pies, you say you're wanting to bake one and ask if they could help you some.... you know what i mean, every awakens at their own rate, you can't force anybody to awaken by teaching them about higher truths... that doesn't mean you have to suffer along with them, because you can't, you just have to lend them your strenghts gracefully.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: The Spiritual Path *revisited* [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #3130088 - 09/13/04 04:38 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

"have you ever jacked yourself up with soooooo much love/light that you become blinded by it? I mean, to such an extent, there are no problems in the world or in your life? "

hell yes. For a long time after my revelatory experience a while back i was so jacked on that it was unreal. I kept saying 'my only problem is convincing people that their is no problem' and to an extent that was true. But only in the ultimate sense, and weather we like it or not (and we have every reason to like it) we are still living in the world of the relative, meaning we still have problems to deal with. This is part of temporal life.

"I don't know if that is so good or not. people start to think you don't care about "global human suffering issues" or that you are insensitive to their problems and ya catch a lot of flck for it. They trip on you for not taking action on the problems they see. Any thoughts or relation on this one? "

i can relate man i can relate. I had a huge discussion with my bro about this once, were very similar people but he took the hardcore politically aware/active path and i took the spiritual/transcendent one. Its sometimes hard to reconcile the two. I mean once you realize that its all basically a dream in your mind, an illusion, fleeting and largely inconsequential, its hard to get to worked up about stuff.

What ive come to realize though is that the main purpose of life is to decide who we want to be (and therefore how we want the world to be) . Thus when we see suffering or evil, we realize it is originating within us. The solution in my oppinion is first to adress the problem within yourself, and make sure that what you dislike outside doesnt exist inside.

Unless we purify the self first, we cannot take action in the external world without being hypocrites.


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Re: The Spiritual Path *revisited* [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3130353 - 09/13/04 06:09 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Glad this thread was able to help you out.  I still love reading this forum even though I'm done actively seeking answers.

To answer your question about being blinded by it - I'm an empath, so I'm always aware of the world's negativity, but I did get so caught up in my spiritual quest that I lost sight of things in my own life, like working & paying bills. :grin:


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Re: The Spiritual Path *revisited* [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #3130392 - 09/13/04 06:18 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

exactly cosmic joke. That is the ticket. Its what I do now for the most part. In the begging, there were times in my oblivion I just couldn't drop my frequency. Now I am in control of it.

Where it gets tricky is when I do drop, sometimes I get stuck and forget that I can jack up again and then end up in negative wavelengths when I am on my own.

getting better with that too.


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Re: The Spiritual Path *revisited* [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3130416 - 09/13/04 06:24 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

moon shoe,

That was awesome! Thanks for relating here. It feels good to know I'm not alone in this and how others are handleing it.

I think it is going to come down to mastering the ability to occupy your reality when it serves you and then shifting to occupy others when you want to serve them IN THERE's.

Basically, for the last year I have just been working on getting better control over this type of frequency shifting.

A part of me wants to be in oblivion 24/7 but its isolating. I wish everyone would just get there and then we could stay there all of the time.

My ultimate goal is to not have to shift, but to maintain awarness in both at the same time and be able to distinguish proper action relative to the two simultaneously.


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Re: The Spiritual Path *revisited* [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3130464 - 09/13/04 06:35 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

"I think it is going to come down to mastering the ability to occupy your reality when it serves you and then shifting to occupy others when you want to serve them IN THERE's. "

-brilliant man.



"A part of me wants to be in oblivion 24/7 but its isolating. I wish everyone would just get there and then we could stay there all of the time."

i wouldnt call it oblivion nescessarily, but i know what you mean. And dont worry , well all be there soon enough!

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Re: The Spiritual Path *revisited* [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3130502 - 09/13/04 06:44 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

You know what I mean because you described it. For readers, it means that "problems from a problemed perspective" will be there, but in "oblivion" they arn't problems in the traditional sense. It's hard to explain what they are, but they arn't negative bad or wrong happenings. They are a part of what is and for the self, they are glorious ooportunities for creating greater experiences of self understanding, realization, empowerment, creativity, appreciation acceptance and forgiveness.


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Re: The Spiritual Path *revisited* [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3130507 - 09/13/04 06:45 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Hi getjiggywith it,

most of us are trapped within the thought we aren't free because of these limited concepts we are stuck with or grew up with.

Another challenge is overcoming the survival state system/consciousness that is programmed in our dna, some or most humans are experiencing right now.

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