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Re: which fungi help arthritis?
    #301409 - 04/27/01 01:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That's where I'm at. Damaged spine, lots of pain; especially when a cold-front is moving in. Was interested in a dietary supplement to keep cartilage and spine healthier. Not really looking for a pain-killer.

I'll have to look into Kombucha. Thx Cpt.



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Re: which fungi help arthritis? [Re: egghead]
    #609170 - 04/15/02 05:07 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

this is an old post, but hey Egghead,.....if you have athritis, there is a sure fire cure. It is said that bee keepers who are stung regularly, never get arthitis.

for this reason, it is common practice for people to purposely sting themselves with honey bees. The least painful place is the leg.

Remeber yellowjackets, wasps hornets don't work, and are hella more painful then bees. GO to a bee keepers place, he'll know the diddy.

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Re: which fungi help arthritis? [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #11766808 - 01/04/10 08:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, 7 years :laugh: ..Often when someone starts a thread the first response is 'utse' lol, so here it is, the only thread on using mushrooms for non-rheumatoid arthritis. But.. no answer.
Has any more been learned on this subject? I am quite impressed with the medicinal applications of mushrooms but a glaring void is any use in arthritis except in instances where the immune system needs to be brought under control (rheumatoid arthritis) and thats not really what I need.
When I was 15 a nexus of causes and conditions resulted in rapid (probably largely immune related) arthritis that ate up my back, knees, hips, and shoulders. The rapidity of the deterioration soon faded and since then (I'm 30 now) its just been a very slow deterioration. Well its starting to eat at my right hip more lately and I'm wondering if our little mushy friends might have some way of helping?
I've already figured out that sun treating fungi in summer and drying for winter use may be a great way to supply bone-maintaining vitamin D over the winter months, but I'm wondering if thats the limit of their usefulness?


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Re: which fungi help arthritis? [Re: Auxin]
    #11767667 - 01/04/10 10:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You might send Dr John Holliday at aloha medicinals an email(via contact us) and see what he has to say.  If anyone could answer your question, he can.  Let me know what you find out.  I'm not quite so beat up, but twice your age and really feel my old injuries whenever the weather changes. 
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Re: which fungi help arthritis? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #11767899 - 01/05/10 01:25 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sure Reishi has an effect on arthritis through the anti-inflammatory actions it has.  To obtain the best anti-inflammatory action, alcohol extract is best.


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Re: which fungi help arthritis? [Re: solumvita]
    #11777378 - 01/06/10 05:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There is little research, and much of it will be hidden - it won't say 'arthritis' or 'osteoarthritis' ... To gather the relevant (preliminary) research, one needs to know that osteoarthritis involves things like elevated matrix metalloproteinases and interleukins, disturbed collagen synthesis, etc. Will try to tie together some of that over the next days, but my impression is that anything that blocks the effects of nuclear factor kappa will generally be good, as much of the inflammation in osteo seems to stem from that.

Fungi are relatively rich in glucosamine and other unusual sugars that get turned into collagen and other structural goops. So eating them probably has some value, although glucosamine tablets are a known quantity.

Boron (3 to 6 mg a day) seems to help with osteoarthritis according to some studies. It has an effect on vitamin D metabolism and magnesium and calcium balance.  Bromelain (from raw pineapple) or other plant proteases have an anti-inflammatory effect and have been researched for osteo. Curcumin is another anti-inflammatory to consider, as is Boswellia (frankincense).

Vitamin K deficiency has been identified as a risk factor for osteo-a in population studies, although not much word on whether it slows the disease. Leafy greens are one source of vit K, and the fermented food 'natto' is particularly rich, and it is possible that the bacteria it contains (B. subtilis var natto) will persist in the gut and continue secreting this vitamin. One of the problems with osteo is bone spurs that form in the affected areas, and vitamin k is needed for bone health.

Fish oil is good for osteo. N-6 fats (corn, soy oils) are not, they are inflammatory - not a problem eating normal amounts of corn and soy, buy adding lots of these refined oils to food while neglecting the omega-3s is rather bad.  Milk seems to be protective according to epidemiologists. Soy is good - both the protein and the isoflavones. Soymilk seems to be a good option as it has both. Meat intake seems to be a risk factor, so that might be something to cut back on.

Also, total calorie intake is a factor - various fasting and calorie restriction programs have been shown to help, and it isn't just weight loss which means less stress on the joints ... eating too much puts the body in an inflammatory state. One of the most interesting lines of research IMO is alternate day calorie restriction. This involves eating rather little one day (~half of what is needed, maybe 900-1000 calories depending on your size and activity level) and then eating as much as one likes the next. This doesn't result in weight loss or gain, but it does something to the metabolism and seems to protect against a wide variety of diseases (heart, hypertension, cancer, diabetes, osteo and rheumatoid arthritis, dementia, etc).


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Re: which fungi help arthritis? [Re: solumvita]
    #11777382 - 01/06/10 05:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: which fungi help arthritis? [Re: Jonat]
    #11780327 - 01/06/10 11:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting.


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