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CuriousGeorge83
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sporeworks vs. fungi.com
#14073141 - 03/05/11 10:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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So I just ordered a blue oyster culture slant from fungi perfecti for 125 bucks and just went on sporeworks.com to realize i can get culture slants for 55 bucks. Anyone have experience with growing out and fruiting cultures from both places? I am biased to believe that Stamets must have the better product, but seriously, for less than half the price should I be buying from sporeworks?
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CuriousGeorge83
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...didn't meant to ask who to buy from (I love both sporeworks and fungi.com), just want to know anyone's experience growing out cultures from either of the two companies..
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I've only ordered from SporeWorks, so I can't really answer the question. Does the one from Stamets come with different licensing?
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Re: sporeworks vs. fungi.com [Re: Doc_T]
#14073355 - 03/05/11 10:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I recently ordered syringes (LC's) from sporeworks for $18 each, and just put drops of myc from the syringe on my own petri dishes. I had success with 3 out of 4 on the first try (they grew out to full dishes), and am having success on the 4th on its second try. I guess I didn't get enough myc onto the petri dish from the Lions Mane, until the second try. Much cheaper this way IMO.
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Re: sporeworks vs. fungi.com [Re: curry]
#14073488 - 03/05/11 11:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've bought Stamets' "Solstice Strain" of Lentinula edodes and found it to be an exceptionally fast, though sometime contaminate-prone shiitake, while Sporeworks' strain is consistently just an all-around wonderfully preforming standby, especially for the money.
I like AM's Shiitake75, myself.
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RogerRabbit
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Re: sporeworks vs. fungi.com [Re: SpawnRun]
#14074417 - 03/06/11 06:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here's a word of advice. If you go to order a culture, and have to sign an agreement to never divulge where you got it, run like hell. Vendors with great cultures want you to tell people where you got it. Enough said. RR
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Re: sporeworks vs. fungi.com [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14074455 - 03/06/11 07:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Aloha medicinals has great osyster cultures for $100 and they offer insurance (right word?) on your cultures. So, if you loose or contaminate the culture, aloha will replace them for life. If you order from anyone else the maintenance is 100% up to you. I have lost cultures before because I mailed out my last plate thinking I had more, so I can tell you it's easy to loose cultures - especially with time. Things happen.
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Re: sporeworks vs. fungi.com [Re: fungus_tao]
#14074957 - 03/06/11 10:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Personally, I love sporeworks' cultures. I've gotten some amazing results from them and for the price you can't beat um. If you are looking for commercial cultures Aloha Medicinals has great ones, and they don't have shady licensing stuff.
For an example of the performance of some of their strains check out either the blue oyster or pioppino grows in my sig. Both are Sporeworks, along with any of the other blue oyster grows I've done. Also, the pink oyster in my sig is an Aloha strain.
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CuriousGeorge83
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Re: sporeworks vs. fungi.com [Re: PitcherCrab]
#14075127 - 03/06/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone, On the phone with fungi.com, I believe I was told I will have to agree to comply with their "limitations of use" in an email I should be getting from them tomorrow... those limitations being (quoted from fungi.com's mushroom culture sale agreement):
"Limitation of Use. Your Fungi Perfecti, LLC mushroom culture(s) is conditionally delivered subject to your agreement to comply with the following limitation of culture(s) use:
1. You may not resell your cultures in any way, shape or form. 2. You may not resale, transfer, market or assign these cultures, directly or indirectly, to third parties. 3. You may not represent these cultures as being connected with Fungi Perfecti, LLC without our written consent. 4. You may only use these cultures for fresh and dried fruit body products, and for your personal use to grow spawn for fresh and dried fruit body products. 5. You shall not resale Fungi Perfecti, LLC's spawn or cultures without our written consent. 6. The resale of cultures in in vitro or spawn form is prohibited."
RR - is this who you are telling me to run like hell from?
So sporeworks doesn't ask for any of this? And does that mean (not that I think I would want to) one can create more spawn/cultures with sporeworks' cultures and resale them?
At least one nice thing about getting a culture from fungi.com is that I do get a one year limited warranty on that culture. The agreement states "if the mushroom culture does not demonstrate vitality and purity during the one-year period" I can write them an explanation of what went wrong and supposedly get a free replacement.
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CuriousGeorge83
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One thing I like about fungi.com's blue oyster strain is that it looks like (at least from pictures I've seen in Stamets' books) a nicer color blue - a lighter blue, than most other darker blue oyster strains I've seen. Anyone have experience with this lighter blue colored blue oyster?
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Quote:
CuriousGeorge83 said:
RR - is this who you are telling me to run like hell from?
At least one nice thing about getting a culture from fungi.com is that I do get a one year limited warranty on that culture. The agreement states "if the mushroom culture does not demonstrate vitality and purity during the one-year period" I can write them an explanation of what went wrong and supposedly get a free replacement.

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CuriousGeorge83
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Re: sporeworks vs. fungi.com [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14077587 - 03/06/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good grief, that's terrible news RR. I haven't been billed yet, and I guess I won't until I "agree" to the email I'm supposed to get tomorrow. That's curious about the no guarantee. Here is their "limited warranty" from the mushroom culture sale agreement:
"4. Limited Warranty. Fungi Perfecti, LLC guarantees to our customer that the mushroom culture will be viable for one year. We will replace any culture stored and used according to this Mushroom Culture Sale Agreement if the mushroom culture does not demonstrate vitality and purity during the one-year period. If you wish to return your culture, please provide written explanation of the problem you are having and forward your culture together with shipping costs to us, and we will promptly replace your culture at no additional charge, subject only to availability. If your culture is no longer available, we will talk with you about providing a suitable replacement culture. Please remember to make backups, store them appropriately, and conduct mini-trials, before using your culture(s). These cultures are being provided as an educational service, and we make no guarantee as to their productivity, usefulness, fitness for a particular purpose or otherwise unless stated in this Agreement. Fungi Perfecti, LLC shall not be responsible for consequential damages or other damages except as specified, this is the sole and exclusive limited warranty provided by Fungi Perfect, LLC, and customer agrees that the limit of Fungi Perfecti, LLC's liability to customer shall be the purchase price."
I'm thinkin I might cancel the order. Funny though, I just emailed fungi.com with some questions about greenhouse modifications and a guy named Jim emailed me back.
Anyone else have fungi.com culture experience?
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Quote:
CuriousGeorge83 said:
"4. . .These cultures are being provided as an educational service, and we make no guarantee as to their productivity, usefulness, fitness for a particular purpose or otherwise unless stated in this Agreement. . . ."

Everyone has a right to conduct business in their own way. RR
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CuriousGeorge83
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Re: sporeworks vs. fungi.com [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14077753 - 03/06/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Totally. It's pretty sad really.
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I just get turned off on FP when I need to read through a bunch of lawyer-speak when I buy anything. I can find cheaper and more expensive cultures of any species neither of which require me to open myself up to weird agreements so I just stick with other vendors.
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CuriousGeorge83
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It's crazy right? I'm disappointed - I've been reading Stamets for years and its totally shitty that the company has become this...
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RogerRabbit
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With that user agreement, they wouldn't qualify to be a shroomery vendor. Our vendors are required to sell products that are guaranteed to be 'productive, useful, and fit for a particular purpose' or you get your money back, no questions asked. We've yanked vendors tags for failing to live up to the above. RR
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CuriousGeorge83
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Re: sporeworks vs. fungi.com [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14078538 - 03/06/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, I always wondered why fungi.com wasn't a sponsor here at shroomery.org
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A few years back I bought FP's Sparassis crispa. Don't want to go into great detail, but I shouldn't have bothered.
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Re: sporeworks vs. fungi.com [Re: lionsman]
#14080296 - 03/07/11 10:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mine never fruited either. The cauliflower mushroom I cloned from the wild does great. I don't see the wisdom in making someone sign a contract to accept shit for cultures, when if one is legit, he'll make it good or return the money. Why all the lawyer talk so you can avoid having a guarantee? It makes no sense whatsoever. This has resulted in thousands of mycologists abandoning them.
It's taken me years to say this, but fuck it. If I buy a product, I expect it to perform. How long do you think amazon.com would have stayed in business if they made you sign a contract that if the book arrived damaged or unreadable that you were fucked out of your money because there was no guarantee that it was readable, suited for reading, or contained the information for which it was sold? RR
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