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Re: Fungi Perfecti my arse. [Re: Raadt]
    #1376383 - 03/14/03 02:13 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

"well, there is only an agreement to purchase - if someone were to send you a wedge of mycellium - they would be violating the purchase agreement - not you. "

Yeah, I think you are right. However, I would not be so sure that there are not copyrights on SOME strains, I mean people (I mean multi billion dollar agrichemical corporations) copyright genetic material all the time, even single genes. It is a major point of contention between the West and other third world countries when folks come in and find genes or species in remote area that they then use and plant breeding programs and copyright the genes with no recomp to the country or region in which it was derived. Presumably if you had a strain that did something really amazing that no one else had you could legally protect it, especially if you were making money off of it and it was a rare or never before seen trait. However, you would never see those strains up for sale, ever, I imagine.

As far as telling if someone had so and so's strain, they would probably have to have some sort of molecular marker indicative of their strain. Of course that is an awful lot of work and it is not something that a person is likely to do for strains that they make available to the public.



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Re: Fungi Perfecti my arse. [Re: r05c03]
    #1376498 - 03/14/03 03:06 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Anyways, I bought a oyster grow kit from them to get my edible cultures started. I have no experience with edibles whatsoever.

Their customer support is good and readily availible. I plan on using this straw after it's done to inoculate more straw :smile:.

Their flow hoods are pricey though.

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Re: Fungi Perfecti my arse. [Re: Raadt]
    #1376796 - 03/14/03 05:53 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

My point was that you cannot guarantee the viability of many of the species he is offering - Volvariella Volvacea as an example is never cultivated from isolate, as they nearly always lose their viability after on generation and within a month or two. This means that new multi-spore is constantly required to re-invigorate. If he has tested this isolate and its aged more than a few monthes, it wont be viable and you'd be better of clonign your own from the wild.
Sure he might provide all sorts of info, but you cannot guarantee that one isolate is going to perform.


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Re: Fungi Perfecti my arse. [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1376805 - 03/14/03 05:57 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I dont understand the point people are making about FP being relatively cheap compared to other spore libraries. My experience with spore libraries is that again, you better off isolating your own from a wild print.
I think they are all rip-offs.


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Re: Fungi Perfecti my arse. [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1377472 - 03/15/03 04:31 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

some people prefer ease.

It's a few week turnaround for an isolate. If you're looking for business purposes, you might just end up getting a culture.


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Re: Fungi Perfecti my arse. [Re: Raadt]
    #1425900 - 04/03/03 11:04 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I do grow small scale, and I do think FP is about double the price they should be. Mushroompeople cultures are $45 - I can't afford to buy a name. I'm sure Paul's are great but it's more of a sucker's market to me than "for commercial growers" - that is incorrect thought. Commercial growers are actually out to pay much less and economize - names make catalogs but sense floats the boat. FP caters to the brand new enthusiast and hopeful commercial cultivator more than anything I think.


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Re: Fungi Perfecti my arse. [Re: curenado]
    #1425950 - 04/03/03 11:18 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Mushroom People certainly have good prices for their cultures. However Stamet's prices are not out of line if you consider that your standard culture library charges about the same amount for any strain of fungus that they have with NO isolate testing.


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Re: Fungi Perfecti my arse. [Re: r05c03]
    #1432641 - 04/05/03 10:48 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I think the whole industry is highly over-priced.


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    #1432949 - 04/06/03 03:11 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Yep cloned food grade and wild picked mushrooms and cultures from the great people on this site :-) make paying $125 for a culture a little bit silly :smile:


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Re: Fungi Perfecti my arse. [Re: ]
    #1433060 - 04/06/03 07:10 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I never said it was inexpensive, my point was is that his prices are not out of line with what is out there. Yes, many of us do have an idea of how easy it is to clone a wild species, and that might be all that many of us ever need to do. Others may want to be working with something that is characterized and has the guarntee of a company behind it. Many of us may or may not be familiar with how one needs to test a strain to ensure that it is good. That takes time, and materials, and that takes money. The strains at Fungi Perfecti have atleast been evaluated Further, when you deal with spawn library or Fungi Perfecti it is not as if they have produce culture from thin air. They have to store them, lots of them, perhaps devote and entire walk-in to them. From time to time the cultures must be tranfered to new slants depending on the storage method, more time, more material, data entry, and so on, more money.


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Re: Fungi Perfecti my arse. [Re: r05c03]
    #1433141 - 04/06/03 09:11 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I bet that he also has to get something back for the many years he invested into this. I knew nothing about cloning & growing mushrooms until I read his books. It's easy now when we can get and share all the information.


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Re: Fungi Perfecti my arse. [Re: zeronio]
    #1433354 - 04/06/03 11:40 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I believe that the home mushroom grower doesn't really need any expensive or ultra-performant strains/cultures and all the fancy equipement they offer.
Perhaps their books  :tongue: (which I still don't have *yet* ).
And I think that people sharing/trading  their cultures and strains is way off better than anything else!
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Re: Fungi Perfecti my arse. [Re: MushMushi]
    #1433360 - 04/06/03 11:48 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I agree.
I think one should only buy these strains if one wants to earn money with growing mushrooms.


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Re: Fungi Perfecti my arse. [Re: Anno]
    #1434204 - 04/06/03 07:54 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

...Or if one has no friend, or can't make trade - some folks not very shary. Sometimes that one you want just has to be bought because you don't have another good access....I still think you've really got to shop though. There are people selling them out there for $10 the same as $125 - and they'll back 'em up too. I always prefer the home artist because they are into their art for love not the "eminence front" of commercialism.


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Re: Fungi Perfecti my arse. [Re: Anno]
    #1434309 - 04/06/03 08:28 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

agreed


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Re: Fungi Perfecti my arse. [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1436372 - 04/07/03 01:57 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't read all through this post, so this may have been said already(too high to read) But you get the rights to produce and sell these heavy-producing commercial strains, developed specificaly for commercial growing, the same strains are probably in the kits, but legally you can't sell the culture or mushrooms(I don't think).


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Re: Fungi Perfecti my arse. [Re: rommstein2001]
    #1438402 - 04/08/03 04:54 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

And ill reiterate my point that you can not guarantee that some of these strains in isolate will perform any better than your own cultured from wild specimens.
Again how can you charge $125 american for an isolate of a Volvaria species when the genetics of its mycelia degrades rapidly and within a month or so fruits ten times worse than a direct multi spore innoculation.
I guarantee that if i was looking at producing this mushroom - just as an example - commercially id be doing what all the asian cultivators do and only using multispore innoculations from very fresh cultures and then continuing this line rather than forking out $125.00


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Re: Fungi Perfecti my arse. [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1438676 - 04/08/03 08:34 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Yesum. With paddy's you can get away with substrate to substrate innocs. once or twice, but you must continually renew and you cannot refrigerate.
I'll also reiterate that you can get the same service for $45 (even if you think that's hihg like I do) that they are hustling for $125. I was trying to be sweet before, but you mean there is a person who really believes all that falsely superior HORSE CRAP that makes vain people and suckers pay all that extra to feel they've gotten "the best"???
That's why I said - a suckers market for vain newbies who are buying nothing more than over priced image, because they have more money than brains and don't know mushrooms or marketing.


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Re: Fungi Perfecti my arse. [Re: curenado]
    #1438692 - 04/08/03 08:40 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

<<They have to store them, lots of them, perhaps devote and entire walk-in to them. From time to time the cultures must be tranfered to new slants depending on the storage method, more time, more material, data entry, and so on, more money. >>
So? Everybody has to do this all the time - come's with the turf....
Dude, they're going to hell face it! :smile: :smile:
Actually - I just noticed the thread and couldn't resist giving the 'ol cons a jab!
If this guy feels spesh to know or deal with them it's cool with me. I'm not saying I won't, but it's my last choice. (I did just pay them actually! not $125 of course...)
Freebie people are just as bizarre or worse - look around this place. Some of these folks won't take a trade or a dollar for a spore - they want to buy their "elite entourage" with it and only "share" with their adoring clique of licky puppies - so you see it doesn't have to be rich to be tiny, greedy and silly! :smile:



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