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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: gww]
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trump is like a child and wont go anywhere quietly , he will go kicking and screaming breaking as much around him as he can and blaming everyone else for his own actions ( hegseth is currently no 1 cannon fodder afaik)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-unravels-with-wild-demand-for-democrats-imprisonment

Edited by pugster (11/09/26 12:45 AM)

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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: gww] * 1
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gww said:
The real risk it that we have a crazy person in office for two more years that does not like people that don't like him and the american people just said we don't like you.  I wonder how many people he is going to kill to prove his power.


A few to millions..

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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: pugster]
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Yea, they sucked his dick thinking they were the special one that would survive.  I really do think we might be in the most dangerous time. I am still glad we won or he lost, cause you got to start somewhere.

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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: gww] * 1
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Big time. 

He's gonna flip out.  There is no doubt about it.  We can only hope there are powers in place, clever enough to effectively mitigate the problems he tries to create.  I doubt there are.. but, maybe.

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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Awebig Throy] * 1
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What ever power he has though, he will exhaust it trying to punish, well... pretty much everyone. Because he has made 90% of the world his enemy.

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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Awebig Throy]
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This is how hitler handled defeat.
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The Ultimate Order: The "Nero Decree" (March 19, 1945)


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Believing that the German people had proven too weak and did not deserve to survive defeat, he ordered the military to implement a total scorched-earth policy. Every factory, railway, bridge, farm, and utility line in Germany was to be systematically blown up to leave nothing for the Allies


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: dinosaurs] * 1
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vicepope said:
Fair but it's an article so it's really the written word. Still fair.


K I'll look into it

dinosaurs said:
I just scroll past most of its posts.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: gww] * 1
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gww said:
This is how hitler handled defeat.
Quote:
The Ultimate Order: The "Nero Decree" (March 19, 1945)


Quote:
Believing that the German people had proven too weak and did not deserve to survive defeat, he ordered the military to implement a total scorched-earth policy. Every factory, railway, bridge, farm, and utility line in Germany was to be systematically blown up to leave nothing for the Allies



Oh.. I am aware.  He has 2 years, as well... not 2 weeks.

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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: gww]
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gww said:
The real risk is that we have a crazy person in office for two more years that does not like people that don't like him and the american people just said we don't like you.  I wonder how many people he is going to kill to prove his power.


That's true. The other risk is getting rid of Trump too soon if it's not absolutely necessary.

I said this many months ago. Polically it's more in the GOP's interest to remove Trump than for the Dems. Not expecting everyone to agree but it's even more true now that Trump is a huge asset to the Dems and a huge liability to the GOP. 

Trump's victories and his defeats were based on blame. Ideally we'd be in a system comparing people's positive achievments. But that's not happening.  As the Dems power grows they will increasingly be the ones who get blamed for whatever the public doesn't like. But we are going to have a Republican President for two more years, and nobody is better than the one we got now for getting blamed.

Two more years!
Two more years!


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Brian Jones]
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It wouldn’t be surprising to see Trump switch and actually play nice with the Dems. His ego is just that fragile. So yeah, outside of him slowly circling the drain health wise, he’s probably better than Vance. But we knew that.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
I guess maybe you should have asked about the welsh law as compared to perjury laws? I really don't know what to tell you. You made a specific post which i specifically addressed.


Welsh law: "prohibit the making or publishing of false or misleading statements of fact before or during an election"

My phrasing: "prohibiting knowingly false or misleading statements of fact intended to affect an election"

Wow! Looking at it now, I can see how these are wildly different concepts that certainly couldn't be explained by the casual use of language during an informal discussion, and definitely makes it understandable for you to not realize I was asking questions in response to your post regarding the new Welsh law

Enlil, taking a question and stripping it of the context of the immediately preceding conversation in order to give it the least favourable interpretation -- and then refusing to let go of that interpretation despite my further clarifications -- is not an honest attempt to understand what someone is saying -- at some point, refusing to acknowledge context stops being a misunderstanding and becomes a bad faith debate tactic


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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I wasn't even contemplating the welsh law.  I was reading two separate hypotheticals that you asked me to differentiate from each other.  I did that. I figured that you intentionally separated it from the context in order to make some kind of philosophical point about the general propriety. This was partially because you specifically honed in on my words of general philosophy and not at all on anything to do with the welsh law.

I was talking about general concepts of freedom of speech and governmental authority to regulate it.  If you were talking about a specific law, that wasn't clear.  Indeed it still isn't.  Your "quote" purporting to be the Welsh law, was taken from where, exactly? It's certainly not from the Welsh criminal code because it hasn't been written yet.  It's a snippet from the act authorizing the code be written, but not a complete one. 

So what did you want me to do, exactly?  Take your hypothetical, assume that you were talking about the welsh law that hasn't yet been written, then consult an oracle to determine the actual text and contours of the law that will be written, and then compare that to your hypothetical that loosely resembles laws prohibiting perjury?

If that was your intention, I missed it.  If I hadn't missed it, I would have declined to compare an unknown to an arbitrary hypothetical anyway.



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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said:
gww said:
The real risk is that we have a crazy person in office for two more years that does not like people that don't like him and the american people just said we don't like you.  I wonder how many people he is going to kill to prove his power.


That's true. The other risk is getting rid of Trump too soon if it's not absolutely necessary.

I said this many months ago. Polically it's more in the GOP's interest to remove Trump than for the Dems. Not expecting everyone to agree but it's even more true now that Trump is a huge asset to the Dems and a huge liability to the GOP. 

Trump's victories and his defeats were based on blame. Ideally we'd be in a system comparing people's positive achievments. But that's not happening.  As the Dems power grows they will increasingly be the ones who get blamed for whatever the public doesn't like. But we are going to have a Republican President for two more years, and nobody is better than the one we got now for getting blamed.

Two more years!
Two more years!


I do dissagree with this a bit but as it would be fortune telling for me to say I am right.  What I believe though is that when nixon resigned, they still got wiped out.  Removing trump would show it is possible to the next president and like Enlil says, my paraphrasing, it would stop vance from playing both sides and make him responsible and he is just so unlikable.

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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: christopera] * 1
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christopera said:
It wouldn’t be surprising to see Trump switch and actually play nice with the Dems. His ego is just that fragile. So yeah, outside of him slowly circling the drain health wise, he’s probably better than Vance. But we knew that.


I still think hes blackmailed by bibi.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: christopera]
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christopera said:
It wouldn’t be surprising to see Trump switch and actually play nice with the Dems. His ego is just that fragile. So yeah, outside of him slowly circling the drain health wise, he’s probably better than Vance. But we knew that.


One of the pundits I listen to suggested that the Dems, to attempt to get their bills passed, should include in the bills stuff about ballrooms and statues. "Here Mr trump, this bill will build, in your likeness, a giant statue in New York City. Or, "This bill will keep your ballroom as a historical site for 100 generations."


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: GenericHero] * 2
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I just saw an interview of Trump where he said he
would prefer to go to hell rather than forgive his dem opponents . Trying to work with him is pointless .


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
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The man is about as full of shit as they get though. In fact he quite often does the thing he said he wouldn’t.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Psilynut2]
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Psilynut2 said:
I just saw an interview of Trump where he said he
would prefer to go to hell rather than forgive his dem opponents . Trying to work with him is pointless .


dems that try to make deals with him are the ones that need to go.  at this point, in the spirit of the aesops frog and scorpion, recognize this motherfucker for what he is and handle it appropriately lest we be stung (again?) in deep waters.

the ability for dems to change whats already done is limited for now but this new congress will be in a good position to limit his ability to continue fucking things up at the current rate.

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