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US presidential election 2012: will you vote?
    #16152167 - 04/28/12 07:32 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

i'm not. total waste of time, both parties cater to the corporations and couldn't give a fuck about anyone's "personal liberties."

i voted for that hack obama when i was 19 and naive...luckily it only took one presidental cycle for me to figure out what this whole political game is really about.

i got a bunch of "obama supporting" friends who think the guy still gives a shit about the people...makes me laugh.
will you vote in the presidential election?
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Re: US presidential election 2012: will you vote? [Re: resonant111]
    #16152188 - 04/28/12 07:38 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, I do vote every chance I get.


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Re: US presidential election 2012: will you vote? [Re: DieCommie]
    #16152216 - 04/28/12 07:44 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
Yes, I do vote every chance I get.




i only go and vote now if it's for local decisions that our community is voting on (conserving wildlife, school funding etc.)

at the federal level i don't give two shits...whoever has the power is gonna fight wars and cater to corporate interests, end of story.


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Re: US presidential election 2012: will you vote? [Re: resonant111]
    #16152247 - 04/28/12 07:50 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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resonant111 said:
i'm not. total waste of time, both parties cater to the corporations and couldn't give a fuck about anyone's "personal liberties."

i voted for that hack obama when i was 19 and naive...luckily it only took one presidental cycle for me to figure out what this whole political game is really about.

i got a bunch of "obama supporting" friends who think the guy still gives a shit about the people...makes me laugh.




You're smarter than most Americans if you figured it out that quickly. Well, I guess times are pretty insane right now but still- impressive.

The America that most people think about has been dead for 100 years. It was strangled out by the cancer that is progessivism; this cancer infected both parties- make no mistake about it. They cater to their friends and they are slowly turning the people into serfs. They keep us dumbed down and divided over stupid issues that really don't matter in the scheme of things. 

I just hope that one day more Americans figure this out and do something about it.


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Re: US presidential election 2012: will you vote? [Re: setb] * 1
    #16152283 - 04/28/12 07:59 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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The America that most people think about has been dead for 100 years.




You think America was better in 1912?


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Re: US presidential election 2012: will you vote? [Re: resonant111]
    #16153580 - 04/29/12 02:00 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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resonant111 said:
i'm not. total waste of time, both parties...




Wow.  Which parties are "both"?  The socialists and greens? 

How does your disenchangtment with two popular parties justify your conclusion that not voting is a reasonable decision?  All you do is grant those who do vote more power over you- power that will go towards the parties you don't like as a result of your abstention when you could have harmed them.

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DieCommie said:
Yes, I do vote every chance I get.




i only go and vote now if it's for local decisions that our community is voting on (conserving wildlife, school funding etc.)

at the federal level i don't give two shits...whoever has the power is gonna fight wars and cater to corporate interests, end of story.





dumb

The wars are popular otherwise they wouldn't have been started.  You admit yourself you voted for a lieing ass of a candidate (Obama) who broke pretty much all his major promises before he even took office/was elected, yet you decide the things Obama does is inevitable.  No, its only inevitable if the people who disagree go pout in a corner rather than voting for their interests.

Most of the people I see bitching that their interests aren't catered to are the ones who actively sabotage those interests by voting against them or failing to do anything to support their views.


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Re: US presidential election 2012: will you vote? [Re: johnm214]
    #16154862 - 04/29/12 12:29 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

not his fault Obama told congress to go fuck themselves. Or that no formalised proceedings are being conducted to see if he's fit for office.


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Re: US presidential election 2012: will you vote? [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #16156050 - 04/29/12 06:04 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I will, but only because it gives me an easy comeback against people who claim that people who don't vote shouldn't be allowed to have opinions on policy decisions.  In general, I don't think it is an activity that is worth my time.


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Re: US presidential election 2012: will you vote? [Re: DieCommie]
    #16156548 - 04/29/12 07:54 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I will most likely vote. No idea who I want to vote for, maybe myself.


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Re: US presidential election 2012: will you vote? [Re: snoot] * 3
    #16158317 - 04/30/12 03:02 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Not going to vote.

Every politician is a puppet of large corporation and big banking. Further, the president cannot change policy without the house and Senate approval. Any promise that any presidential candidate makes is an empty promise. The whole concept of checks and balances guarantees that anything that is not directly in the interests of the individual politician, will not pass.

The system is broken.


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Re: US presidential election 2012: will you vote? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #16158513 - 04/30/12 04:08 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Not going to vote.

Every politician is a puppet of large corporation and big banking.




what's this based on?  Sounds awfully like some made up crap to console yourself.  What "big banking" is ralph nader a puppet of?  The socialist/communist leaning candidates?  Many of them would destroy much if not all of the banking industry in the US.

It seems utterly impossible you have any rational reason to believe this.

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Further, the president cannot change policy without the house and Senate approval.




Same question, though this one is self-evidently false.  There's a constantly expanding apparatus that the administration has control over, and those agencies promulgate a ton of administrative law that has real force of law (sometimes criminal law) behind it.

This is quite ignorant a statement.

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Any promise that any presidential candidate makes is an empty promise. The whole concept of checks and balances guarantees that anything that is not directly in the interests of the individual politician, will not pass.





No.

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The system is broken.




Gee, do you think that might be because some unmentioned people don't even know what the office they're voting for does?

Its no surprise that Presidents can get away with lieing to people during campaigns if they have such radically incorrect views on the nature of the office.


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Re: US presidential election 2012: will you vote? [Re: snoot]
    #16158531 - 04/30/12 04:14 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Look up ron paul guys.

the media / political establishment hate him because hes not a shill.


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Re: US presidential election 2012: will you vote? [Re: Shins]
    #16158775 - 04/30/12 06:42 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Look up ron paul guys.

the media / political establishment hate him because hes not a shill.




uh, is he even running?

Are we going to have the same nonsense we did in 08 with all these people claiming they were voting for someone who wasn't even a candidate :flowstone:


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Re: US presidential election 2012: will you vote? [Re: wildernessjunkie] * 1
    #16160824 - 04/30/12 04:59 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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wildernessjunkie said:
Not going to vote.

Every politician is a puppet of large corporation and big banking. Further, the president cannot change policy without the house and Senate approval. Any promise that any presidential candidate makes is an empty promise. The whole concept of checks and balances guarantees that anything that is not directly in the interests of the individual politician, will not pass.

The system is broken.



If you don't like banks and other corporations don't use the products they offer.  Grow a pair.


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Re: US presidential election 2012: will you vote? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #16160863 - 04/30/12 05:08 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

2012; electoral college still in charge. does our vote matter? lol, no.


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Re: US presidential election 2012: will you vote? [Re: whatsgrimace]
    #16161310 - 04/30/12 06:42 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Without the electoral system there would never have been a United States.  Get over it.


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Re: US presidential election 2012: will you vote? [Re: setb]
    #16163296 - 05/01/12 12:50 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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setb said:
The America that most people think about has been dead for 100 years.



I think most Americans would argue things were best when there was a very strong middle class; from post World War II until the late 70's.  Families could live comfortably on a single income, most families could afford a house, car, and college education.  The middle class has never been as strong before or after that period.


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Re: US presidential election 2012: will you vote? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #16163543 - 05/01/12 01:48 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I think most Americans would argue things were best when there was a very strong middle class; from post World War II until the late 70's.  Families could live comfortably on a single income, most families could afford a house, car, and college education.  The middle class has never been as strong before or after that period.




Thats a myth and a very distorted view of reality.


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Re: US presidential election 2012: will you vote? [Re: whatsgrimace]
    #16164196 - 05/01/12 08:02 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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whatsgrimace said:
2012; electoral college still in charge. does our vote matter? lol, no.



The electoral college is only for the presidential election...and the president doesn't make laws...so your vote counts plenty...maybe not in terms of president...but it does count...

The worst type of citizen/voter is the guy who only thinks that presidential elections matter...Those are the LEAST important elections...Voting for you state legislature is far more important in terms of policy decisions that actually affect you...


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Re: US presidential election 2012: will you vote? [Re: whatsgrimace]
    #16164219 - 05/01/12 08:15 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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whatsgrimace said:
2012; electoral college still in charge. does our vote matter? lol, no.




lol, you don't know what the electoral college is.


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