Baba Yaga said:

How fast does it start to dry out, in an unmodified 30ish quart tub it starts to get light around the 5 day mark.

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Baba Yaga said:

The fruiting @ spawn works best when you keep the surface from getting overgrown. The surface should be just not moist enough for the mycelium to
keep growing, it will stop below or just on the surface and will get ready for the moment when it starts "raining". At least that is how I explain it
for myself. How to treat TTBVI to achieve this or if this is even a feasible way to approach them I don't know. Maybe they really do need a
casing.

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Baba Yaga said:

What I have found though for my grows is that the substrate is not ready to fruit if there is no signs of knotting. I keep looking for knots on the
side of the tub and change conditions once I see a few.

A casing is good to have around though cause it just gives you one more option and if you are lazy then use just verm. It's not the best option but
before I chuck out a non fruiting box I'd throw it on to see what happens and maybe get a hint on how to proceed with the next grow.

and what others said is worthwhile trying too. Have you searched the thread for TTBVI grows yet? There is a search box right at the bottom of every
page of the thread in case you have not noticed it yet.

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Lo-Z said:

langten69 said:

You can use a fork to till the overlay to restart the surface conditions without discarding the whole grow

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I actually did this but it didn't want to grow back over the center, just a few parts along the side. it was easier for me to try to start over than diagnose what was wrong with it. (I've made a dumb amount of LC of all my best plates)

I think it went bacterial over time because it started to smell of slight ammonia a week after i tilled it. Not quite sure what happened. I made a few quart grain run and all the jars looked healthy. I just harvested some cubes from the same grain run. The TTBVI acted much much faster and different than the cubes though. So I'm not sure if it was 1 bad quart out of the 4 I made? All the spawn looked healthy.

I'm still learning though so call it ignorance?

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Lo-Z said:

Baba Yaga said:

How fast does it start to dry out, in an unmodified 30ish quart tub it starts to get light around the 5 day mark.

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Its been about a month and a half since I started the shoebox so i cant quite recall. I'll watch these 2 new ones and document my finding.

Baba Yaga said:

The fruiting @ spawn works best when you keep the surface from getting overgrown. The surface should be just not moist enough for the mycelium to
keep growing, it will stop below or just on the surface and will get ready for the moment when it starts "raining". At least that is how I explain it
for myself. How to treat TTBVI to achieve this or if this is even a feasible way to approach them I don't know. Maybe they really do need a
casing.

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I have Plenty of Verm on hand so I'll keep this in mind! I'll just have to be a more responsible mushy parent and do what i need to.

"it will stop below or just on the surface and will get ready for the moment when it starts 'raining'" - This is actually a brilliant statement and makes a lot of sense. and now that i'm thinking of it,,,, I think the last shoebox actually stayed TOO moist and thats what caused the excessive overlay. I was scared to let it dry too much but looks like i need to lean into dry more.

Baba Yaga said:

What I have found though for my grows is that the substrate is not ready to fruit if there is no signs of knotting. I keep looking for knots on the
side of the tub and change conditions once I see a few.

A casing is good to have around though cause it just gives you one more option and if you are lazy then use just verm. It's not the best option but
before I chuck out a non fruiting box I'd throw it on to see what happens and maybe get a hint on how to proceed with the next grow.

and what others said is worthwhile trying too. Have you searched the thread for TTBVI grows yet? There is a search box right at the bottom of every
page of the thread in case you have not noticed it yet.

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I am actually just now seeing that search bar for the specific thread LMAO thanks for that. I'll definitely be searching specifically for TTBVI.

It is FAST, for example, i spawned to bulk last night at 11pm with about a 1/4 inch pseudo casing and its already beginning to show the first signs of colonization on the surface only 17.5 hours later (4:30pm the next day).

So It almost seems like a race against time with these guys.

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langten69 said:

Yeah thats cool, i usually take my contam jars/tubs and put them in the dedicated shroom patch in my outdoor garden and they sometimes pop fruits out

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LOL i live in an apartment so that would be a little hard to do Though i thought about putting some out there to bless the community

Baba Yaga said:

That is indeed fast. When I wrote the last reply I thought I would try throwing on a second 1/4 or 1/2 inch of dry (maybe dryish) top layer and leave the lid off for as long as it usually take to fully overlay and put the lid back on. Wait another day or two once you see first knots forming on the side of the box and mist heavily.


I hope you are finding some helpful information and getting some better results with your next boxes.

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Lo-Z said:

I was thinking the same thing! My only thought would be putting dry coir on top, but i thought you had to pasteurize coir (at least i always do (i pasteurize with oven tek)). or maybe try the verm from the get go.

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langten69 said:

If you are using just strictly coir for the casing,  there is no need to pasteurize it.

Most people don't even pasteurize the coir for their substrates.  Reason being is that it is basically nutrient free

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Lo-Z said:

langten69 said:

Yeah thats cool, i usually take my contam jars/tubs and put them in the dedicated shroom patch in my outdoor garden and they sometimes pop fruits out

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LOL i live in an apartment so that would be a little hard to do Though i thought about putting some out there to bless the community

Baba Yaga said:

That is indeed fast. When I wrote the last reply I thought I would try throwing on a second 1/4 or 1/2 inch of dry (maybe dryish) top layer and leave the lid off for as long as it usually take to fully overlay and put the lid back on. Wait another day or two once you see first knots forming on the side of the box and mist heavily.


I hope you are finding some helpful information and getting some better results with your next boxes.

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I was thinking the same thing! My only thought would be putting dry coir on top, but i thought you had to pasteurize coir (at least i always do (i pasteurize with oven tek)). or maybe try the verm from the get go.

And so far i'm getting some good information and especially thank you for helping and giving me pointers. You and Beef we're the first influences i had on the forums, so I'm currently talking to the guy that wrote the Tek that helped me yield my first fruits, You! So for that, I thank you again.

Once i get them to fruit I'll do a write up and share it to provide my TTBVI experience.

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Baba Yaga said:

Cheers bud, I'm always happy trying to help and am even happier when it actually translates into success.

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it definitely translated to success and now im scared to switch the tek that I know works in my space so I'm just scaling it

Baba Yaga said:

I think I would start verm first since it has a better texture in dry form where as coir is more of a powder, maybe it would be better if it was
hydrates once and then left to dry before applyint, there probably is other stuff out there that could work, will have to dwell on this for a bit.

Other thing that comes to mind is a way lower span ratio to tame it. Someone must have tried this already I guess.

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Lo-Z said:

I made a bunch of good LC so i can try this as may times as it takes me. I'm determined lol

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That's the spirit

Baba Yaga said:

Any hydrated lime will work.

Since you don't need a lot you could buy a 1lb bag of pickling lime to try it out.

Mix it in with the water and try not to breath it in.

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bloodssonnew said:

I did exactly this bought a 55 gallon garbage can too for big batches of whatever

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