Ralph W. Llama said:

I think of these experiences similar to athletic training and adventures. You lifted too much or fell while attempting a difficult ski run and got injured.

Recovery takes time and effort, but every PT I have worked with has been clear that continuing activity is key to healing and return to play. Other folks have said to back off dose size and keep practicing. This technique has been working for me for almost 40 years of psychedelic journeying.

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Northerner said:

Bardy said:

-Has trauma from doing too much of a drug
-Gets recommended to take more of that drug in combination with other drugs

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It's a well researched and documented exposure therapy to face/run through the thing that terrifies you with trauma along with MDMA.

If OP is truly lost without his shrooms he might want to know that exists, give hime a thing to research for potential help.

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tbone8352 said:

I apologize then, man. I misunderstood, or more likely fucked up my memory of your post. Sorry!

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ellamush said:

Northerner said:

Bardy said:

-Has trauma from doing too much of a drug
-Gets recommended to take more of that drug in combination with other drugs

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It's a well researched and documented exposure therapy to face/run through the thing that terrifies you with trauma along with MDMA.

If OP is truly lost without his shrooms he might want to know that exists, give hime a thing to research for potential help.

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Hmmm. I think the research you are referring to is with psychologist assisted MDMA and not just done on your own. That's quite a bit different.

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So I'd taken the dose of 7g and after four hours I thought it would be nice to spend longer tripping. I just wanted to remain in the same headspace but longer. So I read an article on this site about re-dosing and I followed the advice and ended up in a situation where reality broke down extremely rapidly.

Id say the advice with re-dosing should generally be DON'T DO IT when it comes to re-taking the original dose and adding a bit more on to get around tolerance. Tolerance really doesn't come on as quickly as a lot of us think!

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So did you take 14g in total (7 + another 7 after four hours)? That would do it...



In that case I think just going back to your usual dose would do the job, with anxiety naturally reducing over time after one bad experience.

When re-dosing, I think the golden rule is not to take more in total than you would consider taking in one go.

I almost always re-dose because I'm eating commercially grown sclerotia where the potency is quite variable, and it's a lot of volume to eat in one go. I also prefer a trip that starts off a bit less abruptly and lasts longer. I split the dose 50/50 but the initial dose would be like a medium trip by itself - enough for some decent visuals but nothing too crazy.

It's sometimes described as "staged ascent" dosing, but re-dosing sometimes feels like an airstrike has been called in, or its hits you like a depth charge. I enjoy this feeling of the trip strengthening and changing character, but I wouldn't want to re-dose with the same amount as the initial dose if the trip was already strong to start with, to avoid the kind of scenario described in the initial post.

Usually I re-dose after either one hour or 90 minutes, depending on how strong the initial dose feels and when it reaches a plateau. I'd try and do it within 2 hours to avoid tolerance and get the most from the dose. I find it usually results in a trip where maybe 2 hours is coming up and having a fairly chill experience, 2 hours for the peak and the main part of the trip, and another 2 hours where I feel high and enjoy myself.

Re-dosing after 4 hours is a bit tricky because there will be tolerance but it's hard to say how much without experimenting. If you are growing your own shrooms then "wasting" them is much less of a concern.

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I think to extend the headspace I'll take 5g then an hour later another 1g then an hour after that another 2g. I've previously had incredible experiences doing that and stayed in the delicious peak for longer.

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So did you take 14g in total (7 + another 7 after four hours)? That would do it...

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Northerner said:

tbone8352 said:

I apologize then, man. I misunderstood, or more likely fucked up my memory of your post. Sorry!

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No dramas mate, we're all friends here.

ellamush said:

Northerner said:

Bardy said:

-Has trauma from doing too much of a drug
-Gets recommended to take more of that drug in combination with other drugs

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It's a well researched and documented exposure therapy to face/run through the thing that terrifies you with trauma along with MDMA.

If OP is truly lost without his shrooms he might want to know that exists, give hime a thing to research for potential help.

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Hmmm. I think the research you are referring to is with psychologist assisted MDMA and not just done on your own. That's quite a bit different.

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Mushroom research has made the same the same therapeutic setting recommends for use too. We're allowed to research and self medicate imo.

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Bardy said:

Drugs

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Drugs? DRUGS?! On a forum about drugs?! Someone call the police!

islandsss said:

Bardy said:

Drugs

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Drugs? DRUGS?! On a forum about drugs?! Someone call the police!

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islandsss said:

Bardy said:

Drugs

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Drugs? DRUGS?! On a forum about drugs?! Someone call the police!

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ellamush said:

Yeah absolutely can self medicated
, I'm not against that.

But facing trauma directly without a good knowledge or back up can be dangerous. That's all I'm saying. For instance I went to a place which was the centre of my PTSD last year and tripped on acid and it was an absolute shit show. I didn't go in with intention to work through the trauma (at that point I didn't know that's what it was). But I'm just saying it can be dangerous

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More so with true psychedelics than empathogens, but absolutely.

Bardy said:

Trying to get drugged up people to listen to good advice can be really hard. Especially when you’ve got other drugged up people handing out what they think is good advice.

It’s possible to convince yourself that your advice to take more drugs to solve your drug problems has worked for you in the past, but it’s also possible that with more honest introspection you’ll find that your solution is actually a cycle.

At any particular moment in time the advice may seem pretty harmless, but from a distance, taking into view many cycles, you may see that it actually doesn’t solve any problems.



But fuck feeling bad or guilty about anything, let’s just get fucked up, then when we get ourselves into shit with drug addiction or drug induced PTSD we can just use more drugs to solve our problems!! Woo!! Then we’ll teach other people to repeat our mistakes. Fuck yeah boy, right on.

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