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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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I hope I can figure out how to grow these one day, I really wanna try Pans  :tongue:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ansr] * 5
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Chin Up ansr !
You’ll get there, I have every confidence in you.

Be methodical in following a good (yet simple* and elegant tek), Be persistent, and be observant - carefully note/ record what works or doesn’t work along the way.

Keeping a notebook of your process can help you identify sources of problems.

*some of the more sophisticated teks are excellent for increasing yields or nursing more finicky varieties along. However, something like MacMeridan’s Pan Cakes are a rock solid easy access tek for growing personal stashes and learning the basics.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
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Good to see you Psilo!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn] * 1
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Thanks for the encouragement!

I'm hoping I can get it right and get at least one mushroom from my culture at some point, to get fresh spores :grin:

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ansr] * 3
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I'll be throwing some cambo spore down this weekend for this first time in ages. I miss my precious pans.

What's up psilo :leocheers:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox] * 1
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First time doing this and first time using agar.

Gonna start with peace river pans.

Should I use malt extract or potato dextrose recipe? Is there a special agar for pans that is better ?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dj_karma_magnet] * 5
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I use 0.5% malt extract and learned that from baba and his pans in monos thread.  Which also has some good advice on selecting mycelium.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27637997/page/1

I'm also putting together a guide for pans on agar.  It's incomplete and also not focused entirely on cyans.  But there is advice in there for selecting mycelium as well as some decent photos of cyans on plates.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29483636


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I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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So I inoculated some jars doing the Exotic Tek. Let me just say that the smell is not ideal after steaming. I do not like it, prob won't steam any more dirt from here on out. I can even smell it in my pillows.

I was able to find some peat for a cheapish price, did not buy it yet though. If peat can be bucket tek for casing material easy I may have to experiment with peat for my casing. Maybe it's fine without treating too I know some people swear treating is not necessary and still have success? If so that would be nice.

I would like less smells when preparing jars. Can agar help me accomplish this? I don't want to steam any more dirt, for some reason it really bothers me.

I see that TF in her AIO thread used coir as substrate and mixed in grains, WC, biochar, and then steamed. Can coir be used by itself just bucket tekd or does it have to be steamed? I can tolerate steaming BRF but I don't want to steam any other grains, so I guess I'll have to stick with BRF for substrate if bucket tekd coir isn't an option.

Worm castings for casing are price but would be great if it was in budget.

A properly bucket tekd treated peat casing could perform just as good as an exotic Tek jar? The exotic tek jars look good, the smell is not.

Is steamed peat off-putting? I know this soil has some peat in it too, not sure if it's the peat or coir or whatever else is in this that smells so damn earthy.

May need to reread my post to hit all my questions I'm sorry.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tultedspoon] * 3
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My jars need to be properly sterilized or the grains will contaminate.

Coir and worm castings can be pasturtized.  Same with peat.  I don't notice much smell from any of them.

I probably wouldn't bucket tek peat for casing.  Properly pasteurized or out of the bag, pasteurized is safer though.

It also needs to be pH adjusted.  Calcium carbonate is easiest, 2:1 by dry weight.  Calcium hydroxide is the other option, and there's recipes for it but I found I needed a digital pH tester to hit the numbers I wanted.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 9
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I love how you keep feeding him perfectly good information and instructions like he will actually ever use a single piece of it, ever.

Your optimism is endless tree.


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Smellyhobbit said:
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dj_karma_magnet]
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Dj_karma_magnet said:
First time doing this and first time using agar.

Gonna start with peace river pans.

Should I use malt extract or potato dextrose recipe? Is there a special agar for pans that is better ?


Both cult references like what was posted above as well as academic paper show pans do better on lower nutrients (so the arrived at 0.5% LME is what I use).

Also, in case this matters for you: there is a reason for agar containers.

in my experience pans prefer wider plates moreso than say condiment cups. They have different air quality and exchange tolerances even on agar so the larger surface area of a full plate gives them less headspace per surface area (good). Just saying as I tried getting away with condiment cups for a long time and saw an insane improvement going to full plates). I was using condiment cups for my MS > breakout genetics with cubes as they don't care and it saves space / cycling.




I'm still figuring out my pans > grain. Specifically rye vs oats...i think I'm arriving at just using oats for everything cult related as the decreased density ie better air exchange and the thinner more 'attackable' hulls just seems to help overall. Rye just seems slow AF to me. ~~~Then again i'm only using like 5x 4mm by 4mm agar cubes that have the leading agar edge to inoculate - trying to get the youngest most aggressive myc - vs alot of people just throw big pizza slices in.

What grains do you guys prefer (and is it for a reason other than availability)


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My posts are long winded and dense.
Supplemented coir experiments< Currently ongoing spring 2026.

~Agar~ 1000mL water = 1000g water. use ~1% agar...1% of 1000g is 10g.  For cubes, use between 1-2% nutes (10-20g). For pans use 0.5% nutes (5g).

Everything I have typed is purely fiction, and is purely for personal amusement.
All images I've posted are not mine and I am simply posting interesting things I found on the Google.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 2
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Mr Piggy said:
I love how you keep feeding him perfectly good information and instructions like he will actually ever use a single piece of it, ever.

Your optimism is endless tree.


The amount of teks being mixed and referenced is staggering.


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My posts are long winded and dense.
Supplemented coir experiments< Currently ongoing spring 2026.

~Agar~ 1000mL water = 1000g water. use ~1% agar...1% of 1000g is 10g.  For cubes, use between 1-2% nutes (10-20g). For pans use 0.5% nutes (5g).

Everything I have typed is purely fiction, and is purely for personal amusement.
All images I've posted are not mine and I am simply posting interesting things I found on the Google.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kunta Kente] * 3
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Like one of those ms colonies that gives all the other ms colonies a bad name...


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tultedspoon] * 2
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you should quit steaming dirt and go steam your head :lol:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 2
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Mr Piggy said:
I love how you keep feeding him perfectly good information and instructions like he will actually ever use a single piece of it, ever.

Your optimism is endless tree.

don’t worry, his job won’t be wasted, there are thousands people do read it and it will be useful, otherwise what for that knowledge if it wouldn’t be shared 🤗

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 2
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Mr Piggy said:
I love how you keep feeding him perfectly good information and instructions like he will actually ever use a single piece of it, ever.

Your optimism is endless tree.


I'm not optimistic.  Just have a lot of empathy and free time right now.  (Maybe to much empathy sometimes, but tulted hasn't crossed my boundaries).

He did get banned from my DMs though.  But not because of cultivation questions.  Piggy and Beefy probably remember why.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 2
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I would like less smells when preparing jars. Can agar help me accomplish this?
:hotdamn:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
Mr Piggy said:
I love how you keep feeding him perfectly good information and instructions like he will actually ever use a single piece of it, ever.

Your optimism is endless tree.


I'm not optimistic.  Just have a lot of empathy and free time right now.  (Maybe to much empathy sometimes, but tulted hasn't crossed my boundaries).

He did get banned from my DMs though.  But not because of cultivation questions.  Piggy and Beefy probably remember why.


I blocked his DMs the second I figured out whose puppet he was, he never had a chance with me.

I recommend everyone block his DMs.


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New to cultivation or the shroomery?  Observe the hitchhiker's guide

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Smellyhobbit said:
"Wiping a needle with isopropyl after flame sterilization is like shitting after you wipe your ass."

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: chris77] * 1
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Ok, I have two cult questions...

My TTBVI is going aggressive fast as per expected. It's about to be like 85-95% in jar, although there are a few oat grains which seem to be resisting colonization.
TTBVI 1

TTBVI 2


cubes in same batch of jars for reference:


Posted because of those few grains, and just looking for opinion on the condensation...i was thinking it was due to the aggressive speed of colonization / heat generated. (room temp 73ish)


And question 2)
So, my bulk is 70% coir / 30% Black Kow and verm, but I now have a tent fully set up. I've never used the tent before, just monotubs.

During consolidation do we loose lid it > leave the tent 'off?' > when 100%, case it and wait a day > then lid off and tent on / cycling, and expect quick knots / pins?


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My posts are long winded and dense.
Supplemented coir experiments< Currently ongoing spring 2026.

~Agar~ 1000mL water = 1000g water. use ~1% agar...1% of 1000g is 10g.  For cubes, use between 1-2% nutes (10-20g). For pans use 0.5% nutes (5g).

Everything I have typed is purely fiction, and is purely for personal amusement.
All images I've posted are not mine and I am simply posting interesting things I found on the Google.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kunta Kente] * 2
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For cyans I colonize with a lid on.  Case at 100% (generally the day after to give them a bit of consolidation really).

Into fruiting chamber after I case it.

Chamber maintains high humidity aside from one air exchange per hour, that drops the humidity to around 80 or 85%.  Humidifier pushes the humidity back into the upper 90s.  Temp is 74-76 during the day, 70-72 at night.  Higher temps promote faster growth but are more finicky in my experience in regard to very high humidity and air exchange.

Check casing once a day.  If it's dry and hasn't knotted, give it a brief mist to make it dark brown again.

Once it knots I stop misting until the first flush is harvested.  Then I give it a good soak.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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