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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Dala] * 1
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Thanks so much! just knowing that leaving them will cause no harm is the best information.

ill find a pic when i get home, my tubs are for SURE fruiting in waves lol, got lots of little clusters sprouting up, actively harvesting as the veils tear, watching more lil babies grow by the hour, and still new pins are coming up. i assume there is SOME kind of tek to help mitigate this (for a future grow), but right now i kinda like that it lets me obsessively constantly engage with my new hobby.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: JuniperTea] * 3
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JuniperTea said:
oh nooo side pins! (wuestion about what to do RIGHT NOW, not in the future, will do liners or pack better next time)

i am getting a nice healthy fruiting in my tubs, veils are breaking, im pulling them out as it happens.

however, i have a LOT of sidepins. what are some guidelines for harvesting them? they are still relatively small, no more than an inch or so long. I am afraid they will rot before the first flush is complete.

1) should i lift out the substrate and trim the sidepins off now, while the top is still actively fruiting?

2) should i wait until this flush is complete, then lift the substrate out, and trim them at that time? is there a risk of them starting to rot/ruin the tub? how do i know when the first flush is done (dumb question, i know).

i know its a lot of questions, and would probably be better for discord, but for some reason discord wont authenticate me, and i cant get into it.


1. No, you don't need to take this shit to Discord, why would you think that? You cna start your own thread if you're so inclined, though. On the other end would be using the search function to look up what people have said about sidepins.

2. To answer your questions: Yes. Whatever works. Your exact practices will evolve over time. And depend on the particular geometry of your tubs and how much your substrate shrinks away from the walls. Pins can be picked and eaten. Or picked, dried, stored, and eaten. Etc. They are typically 🔥. Fruits can be allowed to develop in a smushy fashion pressed against the walls. The only thing you don't want is for stuff to start to rot. Other than that, it's all gravy.

3. Did I say something about your sidepin harvest technique evolving over time? Yes, I did. My perspective is this: sidepins are only a problem when you have sidepins and nothing else. That indicates some issues with your surface conditions, etc. As long as I'm getting full proper flushes on the surface, I'm stoked to see side and bottom pins. Pro tip: "bag appeal" and perfect fruits contribute exactly jack-shit to potency or the psychedelic experience. Growing more shrooms means having more shrooms.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme] * 1
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BeefSupremeJr said:
ive also seen a smash wedge last around six months.  it defies everything that should
be true in terms of nutrition
....
its hard for me to believe that the cell membrane and other structures wouldnt be destroyed via desiccation and that the original cells in their entirety are simply "awakened" like that though. the structures just arent that resilliant.  ive seen them destroyed chemically under microscopes. in other words, transferring live mycelium and reviving desiccated mycelium are two separate processes. 
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think about their long evolution, fungus and bactera.  They've had to learn to deal with all sorts of dangers. radiation, extreme heat, desiccation, and chemicals.  they learned that they need a backup disk.  like a thumb drive in a fireproof safe.  the eukaryotes and endospores have survived mass extinction, meteors, millions of years of solar radiation, extreme drought.  the planet keeps trying to throw them overboard but they just. keep. on. swimming.
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I think, overall, that we deal with a lot of shit in home psilocybe cultivation and have to be extra extra extra clean because the conditions we're growing in are ideak for various common contaminants. Fungus in the wild can handle a much wider range of conditions, and go dormant and all that, which becomes a MASSIVE advantage. For instance, trichoderma is primarily a soil fungus. As such, it's super aggressive and robust in exactly the right conditions: enough moisture and rotting material, not too much chemical warfare from other species, and not too much solar radiation. In an open pasture in the southeast, trichoderma is not going to survive in the top few cm of soil. Too much sunshine, too much heat.

Two things I observed that really shifted my perspective on psilocybe trashpandensis and its resilience:

1. NASTY old piles of dung in a field, not fresh, crusted with ammonia over an old recently rehydrated core. Two days after a thunderstorm, and there's fruits poking up into the hot afternoon sunshine like nobody's business. So the myc had have been hanging in there the whole time.

2. Putting old substrates shot-through with trich out in my garden in the sun, coming back two weeks later to no trich and giant super-tough outdoor fruits.

And yeah, I'm constantly ripping up old completely dried-out agar from the bottom of my pastyplates with a pair of tweezers and reviving them on a new plate. It really seems like it only fails when contamination has managed to sneak in, or the mechanics of ripping up old myc conflict with maintaining proper sterile technique.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: B Traven]
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i hadnt heard that sidepins were thought to be more potent! im getting a LOT of pins/fruits on the top (and thank god, no bottom pins so far), so im not worried about that.

Im getting them because (i think) i didnt pack the substrate tightly around the edges/corners, and maybe havent watered enough.

I really really really dont want to bother with liners, specifically because im on a quest to use less plastics, and i dont want to make new liners each time.

i WAY prefer old forums like this to discord, so ill just keep checking in here.

i check the search feature before my posts, but i just like to clarify things lol. as always, yall rock


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plz, tell me exactly what to do :wink:.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: JuniperTea] * 2
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Just a note on wedges again. I received a small piece of smash wedge Yeti. It literally arrived as a small dried up flake. Think of a fingernail sized piece of seaweed off the seaweed sheets used for sushi. The awesome person who sent it to me said if I couldn’t get anything from it he was ready to send me a fresh wedge. I said no worries, let’s see what happens. I took this small tiny flake and literally jammed it into an agar plate with the tip of the scalpel, folding it in two as it sunk into the agar. Not only did it germinate, but it germinated in a few days, clean and aggressively. That one tiny flake has been the starting source of all my Yeti’s as well as the wedges I’ve sent out.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: B Traven] * 1
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B Traven said:
Yeah, if you can pull off a permanent SAB location, it's definitely a game-changer. Or, at least, it was for me.

Yeah, I know a valve is superior to a jiggle weight, but yah know, a Dodge Neon will still get you to work in the morning lol

With the way food prices are these days, I think just about anyone should be able to recoup their expenditures on a pressure cooker by doing some canning with it.


Depeneding on the unit, it's not difficult to change out jiggle weight for valve.

Jiggle weight still gets ya there. That what i had to work with first starting out way back when.

I've got an old aa915 that i bought on ebay for $60 many many moons ago thay i still use for all my agar and stuff. It came with an old valve closure on it versus a jiggle weight which was a lil surprising.

I eventually changed the old valve out to a new one from AA. Beacuse it was leaking pressure. I should probably change the gauge too but idk... something about the old look lol. The needle doesn't rest at zero anymore but at pressure it still seems fairly accurate: lol:



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: JuniperTea] * 2
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JuniperTea said:
i hadnt heard that sidepins were thought to be more potent! im getting a LOT of pins/fruits on the top (and thank god, no bottom pins so far), so im not worried about that.

Im getting them because (i think) i didnt pack the substrate tightly around the edges/corners, and maybe havent watered enough.

I really really really dont want to bother with liners, specifically because im on a quest to use less plastics, and i dont want to make new liners each time.

i WAY prefer old forums like this to discord, so ill just keep checking in here.

i check the search feature before my posts, but i just like to clarify things lol. as always, yall rock


Pins in general, mind you, not just sidepins. No shame in scooping them off the top now and again, either. Especially when they just happen to come out stuck to a larger mature fruit.

I've got cultures that will pin if you look at them funny. And that's how I like it. I've moved past using any sort of liners, I compress the living fuck out of my subs, I get nice full first/second/third flushes, and still I get side and bottom pins. Totally fine with me. Bottom fruits can actually be real fun later in the life of a tub, if you can keep it going long enough. Massive loch ness monsters forming on the bottom of a tub. Sometimes they'll push the whole sub up.

Shrinkage is just a thing that happens. Not necessarily a bad thing, not necessarily the result of under-watering or anything else. Normal and commonplace.

Anyway, definitely just forget about liners, I even found that they made cleanup harder in the long run. And yeah, I agree, these old-style forums are the best. So glad I got to learn from this site and not some garbage mass-market social media site.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LotKid]
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LotKid said:
B Traven said:
Yeah, if you can pull off a permanent SAB location, it's definitely a game-changer. Or, at least, it was for me.

Yeah, I know a valve is superior to a jiggle weight, but yah know, a Dodge Neon will still get you to work in the morning lol

With the way food prices are these days, I think just about anyone should be able to recoup their expenditures on a pressure cooker by doing some canning with it.


Depeneding on the unit, it's not difficult to change out jiggle weight for valve.

Jiggle weight still gets ya there. That what i had to work with first starting out way back when.

I've got an old aa915 that i bought on ebay for $60 many many moons ago thay i still use for all my agar and stuff. It came with an old valve closure on it versus a jiggle weight which was a lil surprising.

I eventually changed the old valve out to a new one from AA. I should probably change the gauge too but idk... something about the old look lol. The needle doesn't rest at zero anymore but at pressure it still seems fairly accurate: lol:




:takingnotes:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Kloakk said:
Peleus said:
This hatch here from osculati looks like it would do the trick. 203mm interior diameter, 260mm exterior. Bonus points for being transparent. What do you think, Kloakk? I see it on amazon.de, but only white/black colors in this size. Also a bit pricey at 24E a piece


Transparent :eek:

:nodofunderstanding:


https://murrays.com/products/5-flat-access-port


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LotKid]
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LotKid said:
B Traven said:
Yeah, if you can pull off a permanent SAB location, it's definitely a game-changer. Or, at least, it was for me.

Yeah, I know a valve is superior to a jiggle weight, but yah know, a Dodge Neon will still get you to work in the morning lol

With the way food prices are these days, I think just about anyone should be able to recoup their expenditures on a pressure cooker by doing some canning with it.


Depeneding on the unit, it's not difficult to change out jiggle weight for valve.

Jiggle weight still gets ya there. That what i had to work with first starting out way back when.

I've got an old aa915 that i bought on ebay for $60 many many moons ago thay i still use for all my agar and stuff. It came with an old valve closure on it versus a jiggle weight which was a lil surprising.

I eventually changed the old valve out to a new one from AA. Beacuse it was leaking pressure. I should probably change the gauge too but idk... something about the old look lol. The needle doesn't rest at zero anymore but at pressure it still seems fairly accurate: lol:




Woah cool vintage PCs... I recently modified my AA921 by swapping the jiggle weight with a control valve and switched the blow-out plug. Inspired by: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22140987/vc/1
It works great. Nice silence at pressure and grains even look better. Uses way less water too.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: JuniperTea] * 2
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JuniperTea said:
oh nooo side pins! (wuestion about what to do RIGHT NOW, not in the future, will do liners or pack better next time)

i am getting a nice healthy fruiting in my tubs, veils are breaking, im pulling them out as it happens.

however, i have a LOT of sidepins. what are some guidelines for harvesting them? they are still relatively small, no more than an inch or so long. I am afraid they will rot before the first flush is complete.

1) should i lift out the substrate and trim the sidepins off now, while the top is still actively fruiting?

2) should i wait until this flush is complete, then lift the substrate out, and trim them at that time? is there a risk of them starting to rot/ruin the tub? how do i know when the first flush is done (dumb question, i know).

i know its a lot of questions, and would probably be better for discord, but for some reason discord wont authenticate me, and i cant get into it.


You have gotten some great answers, I will share what I do with tubs that side and bottom pin, is to remove the cake from the tub and put it in a water tub on a baking rack. That way all pins get a chance to grow a d im addressing the lack of water that shrunk my cake

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Arkyhog] * 8
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Arkyhog said:
I will share what I do with tubs that side and bottom pin, is to remove the cake from the tub and put it in a water tub on a baking rack. That way all pins get a chance to grow a d im addressing the lack of water that shrunk my cake


Seconded! This is my golden halo shoebox, harvested today…from 5 planes of the sub! :smile: It was blobbing on top and side pinning, so I did just what Arky is talking about here. I put it on its side and supported it with a water filled mason jar to keep it from tumbling. Worked out ok -looks pretty weird, but I got plenty of fruit and lots of prints to give away!



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: flapping_bird] * 3
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Not great shots, but here's my pins! They got bigger since this morning, and started pushing up to the top. Even pushing the substrate further away from the sidewall of the tub


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Binary thinking is the best thinking.

plz, tell me exactly what to do :wink:.

If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: JuniperTea]
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lookin great! congrats!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: funkmastakush]
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funkmastakush said:
LotKid said:
B Traven said:
Yeah, if you can pull off a permanent SAB location, it's definitely a game-changer. Or, at least, it was for me.

Yeah, I know a valve is superior to a jiggle weight, but yah know, a Dodge Neon will still get you to work in the morning lol

With the way food prices are these days, I think just about anyone should be able to recoup their expenditures on a pressure cooker by doing some canning with it.


Depeneding on the unit, it's not difficult to change out jiggle weight for valve.

Jiggle weight still gets ya there. That what i had to work with first starting out way back when.

I've got an old aa915 that i bought on ebay for $60 many many moons ago thay i still use for all my agar and stuff. It came with an old valve closure on it versus a jiggle weight which was a lil surprising.

I eventually changed the old valve out to a new one from AA. Beacuse it was leaking pressure. I should probably change the gauge too but idk... something about the old look lol. The needle doesn't rest at zero anymore but at pressure it still seems fairly accurate: lol:




Woah cool vintage PCs... I recently modified my AA921 by swapping the jiggle weight with a control valve and switched the blow-out plug. Inspired by: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22140987/vc/1
It works great. Nice silence at pressure and grains even look better. Uses way less water too.



Fuck yeah :rockon:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LotKid]
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Looking for any guidance on printing woodlovers. I've tried different stages of fruit maturity/open-ness. Have gotten condensation on the foil so tried raised off the foil but struck out at all my attempts so far.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Actionsaurusrex] * 1
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Use a large tub to take prints in. Something around 30l works ok typically. More air space the better.

Lemme guess. Cyanescens or allenii? :lol:

I use my camera quite a bit for checking spore drop. Look for signs on the stems and caps. Watch the gills as well.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: the_chosen_one] * 1
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Thanks for the advise, will keep trying and def give a larger printing container a try!

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Actionsaurusrex] * 10
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Hi folks !

Just want to say i did not forget any of you, things got hectic since a month and focused on family.

Hope everyone had nice holidays :smile:

Loving you all :love:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Tropical] * 2
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Just wanted to share these big bois and see what the consensus was on how people dry their bigger fruits, do y’all prefer to piece them up for quicker dehydration or just do whatever may be convenient for the situation?


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