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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: toadking]
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Prep it all put what ya don't need away


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said:
It will shrink some for sure but a colonized sub won't expand to where it was *  but a sub pulling away from the edges is due to being eaten and constricted , if u ate a 3 lb steak you wouldn't shit out 3 lbs ...least I fucking hope ya wouldnt 😂
If you filled a pint with verm level , and added a cup of water would it overfill from expanding


OK but I wasn't suggesting verm would stop the sub from shrinking entirely, or maintain its ability to retain water perfectly -- I was asking whether it might -reduce- the shrink, and thereby reduce the compression/compaction/density to allow it to reabsorb more water (potentially more quickly) than it otherwise would have without the verm.

The theory I was playing with is that the verm, while it has no distinct benefit to the first flush, might make subsequent flushes easier, larger, and more productive since my experience with [mostly] pure coir substrates is that getting them to re-hydrate thoroughly is painfully slow,  not to mention the contam bonanza that comes with puddles of standing water underneath the sub which are hard to avoid entirely if you're trying to really re-saturate as much as possible.

If myc doesn't eat the verm, and it doesn't shrink as much as the coir when the water is consumed, then it -should- provide places for water to work its way through the cake more easily, reaching more of the coir and verm in the center of the sub, making more water available to the myc to produce the second flush, right? (I'm also assuming a second flush is water-bound and not bound by a lack of other nutrients.)


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cronicr] * 2
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Aaaand now you've got me pondering how glorious a 3lb steak shit would feel. I mean the steak is also like 30% water even after cooking, I think. And the rest of it has a much higher proportion of accessible nutrient that my body can turn into energy (and fat). Plus let's not forget the large russet baked potato, the caesar salad, and the charred brussel sprouts which would represent at least half the end product (turd) being comprised of much more indigestible components.

<looks around> How did I get here?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Synack] * 2
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Smoked a joint n.had half a think on it.
And Yano what... probably lol
If we actually think about it were not hydrating to a full capability to start with but only because if it's too wet it doesn't colonize , but after it's colonized and fruited once ,it gets full on submerged....
This takes me back to a simple pf cake which has one of the highest biological efficiencies of any of our grow methods , but we start off damp at best so it can colonize properly but once it's done and even before its first flush we dunk the fucking thing for 24 hours where it comes out far beyond a simple field capacity 😂
Maybe I should dunk a tub before a first flush 😂


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Edited by cronicr (12/19/25 10:34 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cronicr] * 1
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Hey man, nothing wrong with donating a shoebox to science! :awesomenod::stoned: pretty ripped myself :rofl: wax pen done did it

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said:
Smoked a joint n.had half a think on it.
And Yano what... probably lol
If we actually think about it were not hydrating to a full capability to start with but only because if it's too wet it doesn't colonize , but after it's colonized and fruited once ,it gets full on submerged....
This takes me back to a simple pf cake which has one of the highest biological efficiencies of any of our grow methods , but we start off damp at best so it can colonize properly but once it's done and even before its first flush we dunk the fucking thing for 24 hours where it comes out far beyond a simple field capacity 😂
Maybe I should dunk a tub before a first flush 😂


I remember when I started dogma stated theres plenty in the bulk sub.

I believe I've tried bottom watering prior to 1st flush with no noticeable difference. I was newer and using ms cultures tho lol


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids] * 3
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Ok fuck it...


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cronicr] * 6
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2 liters of water added , I'll wait a few hours and drain .
This is the same genetics as my last tub


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cronicr]
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I remember seeing pictures of subs with huge syringes of water sticking out of them


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids] * 1
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Yeah I won't make my subs mainline anything


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cronicr]
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My concern dumping a bu ch of water on a sub was always a matted surface


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids] * 2
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I will admit I'm a little confused how we got from adding verm to improve hydration/retention post-flush to dumping 2 liters of water on a plain coir sub pre-flush, but fuck it I'm here for it.

Watch this tub put out fucking redwood trees and we look back and marvel at how this new tek was chaotically invented.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cronicr]
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Pushing the boundaries of science over here :dancer:  the logic stands, why do cakes get dunked but bulk doesn't. Curious minds want to know why :mushroom2: thank you for your contribution/sacrifice

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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tryptkaloids said:
My concern dumping a bu ch of water on a sub was always a matted surface


Mine as well along with how it will effect dialing in the tub itself / surface conditions/ gnats / mold / hippies ect


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Synack]
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Synack said:
I will admit I'm a little confused how we got from adding verm to improve hydration/retention post-flush to dumping 2 liters of water on a plain coir sub pre-flush, but fuck it I'm here for it.

Watch this tub put out fucking redwood trees and we look back and marvel at how this new tek was chaotically invented.


It's worth exploring for sure , I would help ya out but I've used strait coir for years because I can't get it locally except in small expensive bags , used to buy 4 foot bags of it for dirt cheap


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cronicr]
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Hah all good brother, I'm going to attempt the ramekin dehydrator experiment I proposed some time next week now that I'm on vacation and have some time off.

Myc can't eat my coir if there's no myc! 
:rollsafe:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cronicr] * 1
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cronicr said:
Ok fuck it...


Im at this point in my cultivation journey, tbh. I need mushrooms like a laundromat needs lint, so fuck it - I will gladly sacrifice an insignificant amount of materials for the fun of being curious.

Let us know how it goes! 🤘


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 1
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ThurmanMurman said:
cronicr said:
Ok fuck it...


Im at this point in my cultivation journey, tbh. I need mushrooms like a laundromat needs lint, so fuck it - I will gladly sacrifice an insignificant amount of materials for the fun of being curious.

Let us know how it goes! 🤘


Agreed! I totally want to keep up on this experiment.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AstroSporeFiend] * 1
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First grow. Got my tubs all set they are unmodified, just coco coir and grain spawn as was recommended by several users here. I felt like my coir might have been a bit too dry, had to squeeze fairly hard to get water out of it.

1) should I add more water to the tubs, and if so, how?

2) misting? I've read through a bunch of teks, but still a little lost. Should I be misting while the mycelium is recolonizing the substrate? I've got like, 1-3 tiny water beads on the surface of my casing. Should the whole surface be covered with beading? There is condensation forming on the walls and lids of the tubs.

Basically, how to gauge if it's too wet, too dry, in danger of doing side pins lol. I've read through beefsupreme, bods, and pastywhytes write ups, and still feel a bit lost


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: JuniperTea] * 1
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If your coir isn't FC, it's best to fix that before spawning. A little misting won't hurt, but don't overcompensate, soaking coir is worse than slightly dry (with the water making your sub more compacted, replacing air / oxygen etc.)

With casing I assume you mean pseudocasing. So, if I'm correct, your subs are still colonizing and the pseudo isn't showing beads? In that case, just wait for full colonization, that's the moment you'll be monitoring surface conditions. If it's really too dry in there you'll see the coir changing color. That would be a great time to mist away


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