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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: chris77] * 7
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chris77 said:
jeez faht , don‘t you get tired ? 😅


At this point I'm sure he just wave his wand and canopies appear.

:wizard:


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Some fungi are only edible once.”
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Thanks again.

I'm going to make some agar cups today. What ratios do you use for T1 plates?

We


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I eat a few.  should be real tender.  Its tasty.  No starchiness or crunchiness.

Edited by el boso (10/25/25 03:27 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: el boso] * 1
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I just checked my 12 PF tek jars. There is only some small orange spots that don't seem to be spreading from where they were inoculated in a few places. I posted in orange BRF contam thread that has pictures of exactly what it looks like but no one has updated anything. It seems to not really affect the colonization from the pics in that thread though. I'm thinking all 12 jars should birth successfully.

I can see mycelium slowly colonizing around the jars and I don't see any presence of trich. At this point last time I had jars swarming with trich after 4 or 5 days. I do think that first time I didn't get the jars hot enough but also the LC was probably to blame. The spores germinated quickly after soaking in water for 1 day this time and don't seem to be that much slower than using an LC.

I do wonder if I'm the only person that is growing Panaeolus cinctulus though? The mushrooms are very pretty, and looking at the colors brings me joy and their eyes are really talking to me. I think a cake of these will be a sight to see and I'll post a pic when the flush comes in hopefully. The jars will definitely need another week or 2, probably a week to colonize and then another week for consolidation.

3 weeks seems about right for timeline on PF tek jars from spores right? I think I may get another set of jars and start another batch in a week to keep things interesting, and can start some agar projects too.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tultedspoon] * 2
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tultedspoon said:
One thing that I've noticed is people tend to really stress the consolidation period. The patience this requires can be difficult, but if it keeps my spawn jars strong I will definitely not skip this step.

Now if you're going to bulk, is there a point that too much consolidation can be harmful? This I hope some tc can answer because I know that the mycelium can switch from a colonization mode to a fruiting mode, and if over-consolidating could slow down a spawn to bulk grow? Or if full consolidation is necessary and then it'll just take a little time to switch back when the mycelium realizes it's in a bulk substrate now.


Babayaga recommends keeping things moving with pans. So I don't consolidate. I spawn as soon as the grain hits 💯 colonization.
I think pans are prone to stalling.

Be interesting to hear from growers who consolidate though. I'll do this for other species but pans I try and do transfers as soon as possible.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: thirdeyewild]
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I believe he is specifically talking about his pan cakes


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: cronicr]
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Ahh, ok, I have no experience with pan cakes.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: thirdeyewild] * 1
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18357343#18357343


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Axman]
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Axman said:
Dreamers are another cool take on automated setups and produce a great result as well for pans and other exotics like Sempervia.


Thanks for the link, Axman.
Will read through this tek and choose between JCM chamber and Dreamers tub.  :smile:

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: el boso] * 2
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el boso said:
Thanks again.

I'm going to make some agar cups today. What ratios do you use for T1 plates?

We


0.5% lme


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I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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Tyvm


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: el boso] * 6
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So I'm finally getting serious about growing. My tolerance demands it. So I germinated 6 plates each of Huasteca RDU and MIB. Thanks to Tree Frog I made some .5% plates for this.

Here's what I have for the substrate.

50/50 poo/coir measured out in 1 quart amounts, vacuum sealed and pasteurized in a 5 gallon bucket with my sous vide. 165 degrees for 3 hours.

Here's my chamber.

110 quart tub with dual bubble wands going down each side and an aquarium heater.

Whatcha all think?


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Recognizing Contamination in Grain Jars - A Visual Notebook
Contaminated Condiment Cup Cleanup v1.0

Green Cap Pheno Isolation
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Noah Keeper] * 2
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No, but still valuable, also. The potency of these hides in their sclerotia.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: DV8DUG] * 2
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DV8DUG said:
So I'm finally getting serious about growing. My tolerance demands it. So I germinated 6 plates each of Huasteca RDU and MIB. Thanks to Tree Frog I made some .5% plates for this.

Here's what I have for the substrate.

50/50 poo/coir measured out in 1 quart amounts, vacuum sealed and pasteurized in a 5 gallon bucket with my sous vide. 165 degrees for 3 hours.

Here's my chamber.

110 quart tub with dual bubble wands going down each side and an aquarium heater.

Whatcha all think?


Looks good!  One thing I had problems with recently when going from composted hpoo to dry aged hpoo was proper hydration of the dried hpoo when I added the water.  If you’re going from very dry hpoo and then adding water and then going immediately to the vac seal, the hydration isn’t going to be what it was after you vac seal.  So if you added water and then immediately checked for FC and got your couple drips, that’s going to be way too little water and when it comes out of the vac bag, it’ll be too dry. 

Short way to say all that, you’ll want to make sure you let the water sit and absorb for a decent amount of time before you check for FC.  I actually spent a Saturday figuring out the amount I needed for the bulk hpoo I have (everyone’s initial hpoo hydration is going to be a little different) and it’s 87.5ml of water per dry cup of hpoo.  When I add that amount of water to the hpoo and then do a hand squeeze, it seems like it’s waaaaay over saturated but in actuality, the straw in the hpoo just hasn’t had enough time to absorb the water and the vac sealing forces that go happen.

Just a heads up.  You DO NOT want to just roll with too little water during colonizing… it’ll make for very shitty grows and with pans, you can’t just add water later via the casing.  They don’t work like that.  If you have already pasteurized it and it’s under FC, go ahead and add water before you spawn to it.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster]
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So from the link 3-7 days colonization time for the Panaeolus cakes I think?

And which side do I put the cake after I dunk and roll it? Does the side exposed to the dry verm layer now go on the bottom (so the cake is now upside down to how it was originally growing) or do I leave the cake the same direction it had been colonizing?

Also is there an ideal direction the cake should be in when dunked? Dunk it the same way how it had been colonizing?, or dunk it upsidedown so that the surface gets fully hydrated better?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tultedspoon]
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I always preferred macs way of leaving cakes in jars, they ain't like cube cakes they are far more fragile, I dunk whole jars and case them.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: cronicr] * 12
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I got REAL trigger happy with a fackton of clones.. like 35 of em from various ms trays and they all worked out so now I’m at a serious bottleneck.  I have room for 10 trays at a time lol.  So I’m doing a bunch of micro grows.  A little about my process.. I put 5 punch plugs from a CS plate to a 1/4 cup of grain in 4oz jars.  1. To check how it looks on grain and 2. I use those jars to g2g to a pint for a single tray

And when I do that, I leave a tsp of grain in the 4oz jar to dry out for immediate storage.  That small amount dries out in 3 days and then I transfer that to a swab pack and have the culture backed up before I even shake the pint. 

Well I decided that since I don’t have room for 35+ trays, I’m going to spawn that master jar to another 4oz jar with a 1/3 cup hpoo.  That way I still get to see what the culture does and grab prints if I want and I can fit 5-6 in the space of one single tray. And I can still dry the cultures out.


Made this super high tech splash guard for the jcm


This is what I’m going to do for all my new varieties’ ms cultures.. all I’m looking for from ms is clone material and spores to make a plate print for future endeavors.



No sense in growing out a whole tray for that.  Cuts a week off the time it takes to colonize a pint and less time for things to go fucky

I didn’t plan on doing this when I made those master 4oz jars so they’re high ratio of about 1:1.5.  I seem to have some kind of condition where I can’t not use the amount of spawn I made so the next ones I do on purpose will have less grain.  Those colonized in 3 days.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster] * 1
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fahtster said:
DV8DUG said:
So I'm finally getting serious about growing. My tolerance demands it. So I germinated 6 plates each of Huasteca RDU and MIB. Thanks to Tree Frog I made some .5% plates for this.

Here's what I have for the substrate.

50/50 poo/coir measured out in 1 quart amounts, vacuum sealed and pasteurized in a 5 gallon bucket with my sous vide. 165 degrees for 3 hours.

Here's my chamber.

110 quart tub with dual bubble wands going down each side and an aquarium heater.

Whatcha all think?


Looks good!  One thing I had problems with recently when going from composted hpoo to dry aged hpoo was proper hydration of the dried hpoo when I added the water.  If you’re going from very dry hpoo and then adding water and then going immediately to the vac seal, the hydration isn’t going to be what it was after you vac seal.  So if you added water and then immediately checked for FC and got your couple drips, that’s going to be way too little water and when it comes out of the vac bag, it’ll be too dry. 

Short way to say all that, you’ll want to make sure you let the water sit and absorb for a decent amount of time before you check for FC.  I actually spent a Saturday figuring out the amount I needed for the bulk hpoo I have (everyone’s initial hpoo hydration is going to be a little different) and it’s 87.5ml of water per dry cup of hpoo.  When I add that amount of water to the hpoo and then do a hand squeeze, it seems like it’s waaaaay over saturated but in actuality, the straw in the hpoo just hasn’t had enough time to absorb the water and the vac sealing forces that go happen.

Just a heads up.  You DO NOT want to just roll with too little water during colonizing… it’ll make for very shitty grows and with pans, you can’t just add water later via the casing.  They don’t work like that.  If you have already pasteurized it and it’s under FC, go ahead and add water before you spawn to it.



Thanks for the heads up Faht. I appreciate you.

I'm enjoying seeing your process first hand.


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Agar Plates and Removing Hidden Contaminants - A Visual Notebook
Recognizing Contamination in Grain Jars - A Visual Notebook
Contaminated Condiment Cup Cleanup v1.0

Green Cap Pheno Isolation
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Edited by DV8DUG (10/27/25 02:08 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: DV8DUG] * 3
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Hows this looking?

The two on right right have half the amount of spawn as the ones on the left. The top left and bottom right I made sure the spawn was under the surface.



Now I gotta make the casing, good luck to me  :eek:

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ansr]
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I would only consider fruiting from the jars on some of my soil experiments if they worked out, but they didn't.

Looks like some people have dunked pans with success but a lot seem to top fruit. Has anyone recently dunked and rolled pans? I have a strong urge to dunk and roll them. Now if the cake completely disintegrates then I'll just fruit the rest from the jars.

Also does it matter which side is up when you have the cake in the water tub? Should that part that was exposed to the dry verm layer still be on top? Or am I supposed to flip it upside down now? Not sure if the mycelium will get confused or stall if I do this.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tultedspoon] * 1
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It doesn't matter which side is up , the hardest part with pans in mason jars is getting the cake out in one piece. If they come out fine sure go for a dunk and roll but don't skip that consolidation you don't want your pans colonizing the rolled part, I'm not sure how well rolling in peat will do especially wet prepped peat, normally we use coir or verm which sticks better when dry


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