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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster] * 1
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Yeah I'm pretty suspect about my b bar cultures idk they look strange lol, same thing half a print that was light as ever and only one plate " took "


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: cronicr]
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Hello there!

I want to try All-In-One Jars. The coir I have available has NPK-fertilizer included with the following specs:
N = 150mg/l
P = 130mg/l
K = 700mg/l
Magnesium = 140mg/l
Could I use this coir? Seems not too much NPK values to me.
Beside I have alfalfa pellets here. I thought of adding 10% dry weight in comparison to coir, but ask myself if this is too much if there is already fertilizer included in the coir.
I don't want to use additional manure as I read here in this thread about the alfalfa pellets and this is what i have available.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
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Bisporus var.Washington

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Noah Keeper] * 12
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Bisporus var.Washington

Edited by Noah Keeper (10/10/25 08:43 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Noah Keeper]
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Glad you found your way here :smile:  Welcome aboard!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Centerfinger] * 2
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Centerfinger said:
I followed asura's casing tek, it may have been an old tek, but was in tree frogs guide. Asura sterilized the casing. It's my first go at pans, if it doesn't pan out I'll try another tek.



Lots of people do it, and it's not exactly "old". My write up has been continually updated since the OP, and the casing section is quite new.

Also, be wary of people who say "never". There's a lot of parroting on this site.

This works great! So well, that I would be hard pressed to change my method.

Good luck!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura] * 2
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I've never sterilized casing.

But I'm teasing, I completely agree concerning absolutes.

@Centerfinger, culture selection can help a lot. You may also look at raising your pH to encourage them to not colonize the casing.

I think we already talked about temperature and that you're within the right range. That would be the other thing I would really look at.

Have you read baba yaga's OP on fruiting in mono tubs?  He has some good advice on culture selection there.

But essentially, you want to look for wispier growth with visible hyphael tips.  I think the very puffy stuff is pseudosclerotia.

Here's some leading hyphae from a plate I used yesterday.  Never mind the mess on the right, I was playing around with it this morning for practice.



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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (10/10/25 12:01 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
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Asura said:
Centerfinger said:
I followed asura's casing tek, it may have been an old tek, but was in tree frogs guide. Asura sterilized the casing. It's my first go at pans, if it doesn't pan out I'll try another tek.



Lots of people do it, and it's not exactly "old". My write up has been continually updated since the OP, and the casing section is quite new.

Also, be wary of people who say "never". There's a lot of parroting on this site.

This works great! So well, that I would be hard pressed to change my method.

Good luck!



I have followed your tek almost to the letter, I think the only thing I failed was the addition of millet to the sub that I somehow missed.

Your write up is awesome, easy to follow and I sincerely appreciate the work that went into it. I didn't mean anything by the old comment (sometimes a search leads to outdated info) and I'd rather sterilize than pasteurize and day of the week.

I've never seen a casing layer look like a fresh blanket of snow, but this is all new to me. I see the yellow tinge and presume it's a contam and figured I fucked up somewhere. My whole pan setup is in a test phase and I'm trying to find the sweet spot between Fae in and out, RH and temps. I believe my prep of spawn, sub and casing were all good. My only doubt was waiting to use the substrate a couple of weeks after it was prepped. The casing was a bit dry, but that what a good misting is for. Time will tell and if this batch doesn't work, Ill just try again.

It easy to throw cube spawn with cv into a shoebox and simply wait for the fruits. This bvi is definitely different.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Thanks tree frog, I did have an issue with the pH of the casing. Before sterilization the pH was spot on, after sterilization it was much drier and the pH levels were all over the place, I saw a readings ranging from 6.1 - 7.7. I assumed it was due to the reduction of water content after sterilization and would correct course with a good misting.

My temps may be a tad high 79-80, Rh fluctuates depending on the timing of the exhaust between 88-95.

I'll pull my plates out of the fridge and see what the samples look like and maybe run some more transfers. Im still hoping for a flush.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Centerfinger]
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@centerfinger it's good to get into the details of your grow and track
everything, but after many grows you will find that success has a wide
range - and that's good news. The yellow metabolites are quite common.
I don't know what it is, but I do know you can still have a good grow
if it happens.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 10
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Got some pictures to share with you guys 😜 PHV

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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Wondering, have you ever tried to read off of manure for pans? Right now I am attempting to grow them on coco mixed with chickpeas flour. It technically consists of the same chemicals but some is higher amount

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Noah Keeper] * 1
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I haven't used chickpea flour, but I have fruited bisporus on grains that were hydrated in liquid plant fertilizer.

I would be quite interested in hearing how your experiment goes.

And the little pHV pin on top of the cap is super cute.  Thanks for sharing :smile:


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I'd make a deal with God
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I'd be running up that road
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Nice 😃 I am kind of experiments loving person. How was results on pure grain? Massive grow or just enough to refresh prints ?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ReverendMyc] * 11
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ReverendMyc said:
Are you pan canopy masters flattening you casings at all? I have always just crumbled and sprinkled my casings on anything that I case and I am doubting myself now. My casing for the current run of tubs was a little wetter that usual when applied. Looking at it now the crumbly surface makes me think that I should have done a little flattening. Not compressing, per se. Just some leveling.




Since nobody else has answered you yet, I'll give you my unnecessary complicated way of doing it, and I'll do it with a long ass post with a lot of unnecessary information :awesomenod:

So even before I get started on how I do it, I would like to start with explaining why I do it. So the main purpose of a casing(in my opinion) is to create a desirable micro climate just above the colonized substrate.

What climate is that? Eehh nobody asked you Kloakk. Well, I'll tell you anyway, what I am looking for is a very loose casing layer that can hold and maintain high humidity with a lot of gas exchange. I also want the depth of the casing to be same throughout the tray.

To obtain this I'll have to think about the casing when I spawn. I don't compress my pan substrate, but as I mentioned the other day, I lift the tray slightly above ground and let it drop to get some compression. I then use my trowel, but only apply enough pressure to make sure the substrate is completely leveled.

Then I let the substrate colonize for however long it takes to colonize 100%. I can then start my casing ritual and I'm happy to tell you that this is where the fun begins, buckle up, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

First, tools. I only use two tools and it depends on the tray, or rather the substrate depth, hmm it might be both. Anyway so I'll either use my trusted stainless steel ruler(metric) or my contour gauge, yes you read that right, the contour gauge. I also use gloves and my hands and some might consider that tools, but this being the hobby it is I would think most of you have that laying around somewhere, I for one can often find my hands in my pants or the cookie jar.

So we got a leveled 100% colonized tray, we got a stainless steel ruler(remember it has to be metric or the tray will get contaminated), gloves, hands and contour gauge, oh and you might want some pasteurized casing on hand as well.





When do I use the ruler? Well sometimes the stars align and the depth of my tray and the amount of spawn+substrate is perfect, meaning that all I have to do is sprinkle on casing lay the ruler on the edge of the tray and work back and forth until the whole tray is cased.



Most of the time though I ain't that lucky and so, the contour gauge comes to save the day. With this tool I can make sure that the depth of the casing is exactly what I want and make sure the depth of the casing is the exact same in the whole tray.

Since I'm casing pans in this example I want a pretty thin casing so I use my metric ruler to measure the distance from the substrate to the edge of the tray, here it's 4cm.



I usually want about 5mm for pan casing, but with some mycelium bumps here and there I set my contour gauge to 3,2cm, making the casing 8mm.




I'll set the contour gauge so it fits inside the tray, but rests on the tray edge, I can't space out the contour gauge closer to the sides because then the rounded corners of the tray would stop me from getting to the end of the short sides, like this.




Now I just apply casing a little higher and work the contour gauge back and forth until the tray is cased.





I often end up with a little too much casing in the tray, but that is fine, I'll bring it to the short side and press it down while telling myself that it will help with sidepins, win win, and done.




The reason I'm doing my casing like this(beside my many diagnoses) is to get that really airy(minimal compression), high humidity, and consistent micro climate. I believe it helps to get even pinning(if my spawn was clean) :muppet:

Hope any of this helps Rev :lol:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: cronicr] * 2
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fahtster said:
Burringbar clones getting close


It’s been quite the journey with bbar for me.. the print I got was a small light one so it was a one shot deal and took me a long ass time/transfers to find something usable.  When I finally got it to grain, the tray only put out 2 clusters of the smallest mushrooms I’ve seen from pans.  I cloned em and these are their clones.  Pretty excited to get a nice print of em



cronicr said:
Yeah I'm pretty suspect about my b bar cultures idk they look strange lol, same thing half a print that was light as ever and only one plate " took "



Damn fellas, let me know and I’ll send you the original wild clone culture, they’re one of the largest most potent pans I’ve ever grown, they definitely need heat though.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Noah Keeper]
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Foreighn2891 said:
Nice 😃 I am kind of experiments loving person. How was results on pure grain? Massive grow or just enough to refresh prints ?



It was coir/grain, with liquid nutrients for nitrogen.

Comparable to compost/coir with regular grain.

I did a grow log here and played with some different ratios.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28976769


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 3.A.M]
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I'd like to play with that one again.  I saw some huge ones at phenos house.  I can probably get a culture from him and play with it.

But the ones I fruited from the print you sent me were quite small.  It was also winter though and the substrate wasn't very rich.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 2
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Kloakk said:
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The reason I'm doing my casing like this(beside my many diagnoses) is to get that really airy(minimal compression), high humidity, and consistent micro climate. I believe it helps to get even pinning(if my spawn was clean) :muppet:

Hope any of this helps Rev :lol:






Is your real name Oscar Levant? Sorry for doxing you.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster] * 1
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fahtster said:
Burringbar clones getting close


It’s been quite the journey with bbar for me.. the print I got was a small light one so it was a one shot deal and took me a long ass time/transfers to find something usable.  When I finally got it to grain, the tray only put out 2 clusters of the smallest mushrooms I’ve seen from pans.  I cloned em and these are their clones.  Pretty excited to get a nice print of em



These look great. I have a BBar print I need to run, hopefully it looks half this good for me.

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