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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: lamech]
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What do the bruised ones smell like?

Most of my pans I came across smell like fresh mushrooms and I believed my species to be Panaeolus tropicalis from imaging comparisons cause my stems are just always a little off when I try comparing them to cyanescens, but sometimes the phenos do look closer when they are drying out. I'm still working towards indoor flushes though. A lot of mine do seem to have that eye on the top of the mushroom more consistently and it seems more pronounced almost like it is looking at me.

Anyways, I came across a few that had been exposed to what looked like excess water and moisture and were a few feet away from where I had been picking them. I know sometimes similar species can grow alongside each other. They had a lot of bruising too and were full of those mushroom gnats or whatever that can jump almost like fleas. Took me forever to get all the bugs out. Anyways they smelled really fishy, and I had read somewhere on here that Pan cyans sometimes have a fishy smell to them, but I was wondering if this was maybe for all Panaeolus in general as a whole? And maybe only when they are really ripe or wet do they smell fishy? Or maybe I had a few Panaeolus cyanescens also growing just a little bit away from the Panaeolus tropicalis? Cause the other ones I have don't smell fishy but I didn't let them get too wet or ripe before I picked them. If anyone knows please let me know.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tultedspoon] * 1
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I'm still learning and I think things got too wet but I was trying to maintain good field saturation so I wouldn't have to mist. The growth was clean and fast, the really small spots grew out to the size of the bigger clusters in just a day and new smaller spots continued popping up.

If you look closely pretty sure you can see where the hyphae are joining in some areas. I'm wondering if that means some of this was monokaryotic or if compatible dikaryotic myceliums were joining (anastomosis) forming new genetic material? Is there any way to visibly tell by the thickness or by how the hyphae arches towards each other? or is microscopy the only reliable way?

Just confused on where I would take transfers in this situation. How much would I take out and which patch or section looks the best? Or am I supposed to just let it run and fruit if the conditions show up like this? Should I cover with foil and some holes until it finishes colonizing the surface or just put it inside an open ziploc with straight fruiting conditions (maybe cut some small holes in the ziploc side too)?

I took 2 pics of the same jar so that I could get you guys clear pics of the mycelium and hyphae cause I know the pics do help. The edge of the jar is just outside the edited circle and this is a 16 fl oz jar. The radius of the jar is about 4.75cm and the height is 11cm for perspective. I have not been able to get new spawn jars for the PFtek yet I'm thinking tomorrow or Friday and they'll be the slighltly thinner ones (unless you think the short and fat ones would be better for Pans)

I'm hoping that starting completely over on agar will change my luck and allow my spawns to colonize deeper.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ansr] * 3
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ansr said:
Interesting. Doesn't seem to make much difference in your case. What did they look like before casing?

None of mine have a single pin.

Gonna make more spawn and try again



Looked like this.



And I know it doesn't help much, but for the record, my trays ain't doing shit either and I have no idea why. I have a lot of zapo's colonizing trays right now so if I don't see any pins in my pan trays  within a couple of days I'll throw mine out as well, they are taking up space in my dreamers without putting out :crankey:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: strawboy]
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Greate, thank you !!!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: lamech]
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Misting and not enough evaporation can both cause heavy bruising, especially in tandem.  A lot of late aborts it looks like.

They should be fine, the dehydrator will take care of anything worrisome really (or boiling water if you wanted to try some that looked like that fresh).

Getting healthy fruits out of a mono can be tricky.  As you want very high humidity for pin formation at the surface, and evaporation during cap formation.

Culture selection can help.  Otherwise I would wait until someone more skilled at fruiting in monotubs chimes in with some advice on dialing in your setup.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tultedspoon] * 3
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tultedspoon said:
If you look closely pretty sure you can see where the hyphae are joining in some areas. I'm wondering if that means some of this was monokaryotic or if compatible dikaryotic myceliums were joining (anastomosis) forming new genetic material? Is there any way to visibly tell by the thickness or by how the hyphae arches towards each other? or is microscopy the only reliable way?



When the colony switches from vegetative to reproductive growth, the hyphae will grow into each other instead of out, forming knots and pins.

The odds of a mono surviving the plate, your grains, and your substrate without mating or being taken over by dikaryons is probably close to zero.

And there's no way to really tell without a microscope.  Even on a plate a mono is hard to tell from a dikaryon in pans.  I'm not going to label which is which because I don't want anybody trying to crib when you really can't tell.  As I've had dikaryone look like either.




When they mated they did this ring along the leading growth of both colonies.  And I still used the microscope to verify the cross, and to go back and verify that my mono was a mono.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Could I get some insight as to why maturations sluggish. These fellas were pins 8 days ago. Gordotek without fan and temps are 78 during day 74 at night.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shewey] * 1
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Shewey said:
Gordotek



:cookiemonster:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
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Mr Piggy said:
Shewey said:
Gordotek



:cookiemonster:



:rofl:

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
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Mr Piggy said:
Shewey said:
Gordotek



:cookiemonster:



Stipe-n Cap said:
:rofl:



Be kind you guys, gordo might take credit for shit he didn't invent, but he's not the devil right? That's Stipe's title :rofl:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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Question:

I screwed up my casing and made it too alkaline. It's around 9 after pasteurization.

Am I still able to use this? If not, can I just add some untreated peat and repasteurize? Or am I better off starting over?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
Question:

I screwed up my casing and made it too alkaline. It's around 9 after pasteurization.

Am I still able to use this? If not, can I just add some untreated peat and repasteurize? Or am I better off starting over?



9 is fine, I'll bet you have to mist that casing, what is the pH of that mist :naughty:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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Good point lol ty Kloakk


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
Good point lol ty Kloakk



My pleasure
to release some pressure :awedance:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 1
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
Question:

I screwed up my casing and made it too alkaline. It's around 9 after pasteurization.

Am I still able to use this? If not, can I just add some untreated peat and repasteurize? Or am I better off starting over?



Wild timing. I just overshot, or thought I did. Was 10+ before pasteurization. So I added more peat and dropped it down to 8.

But wait, there's more...
After pasteurizing and cooling it had dropped to 5 to 6. So I just added some limey water and have it back in the IP. I should have stuck to the recipe and left it alone, but I got a new toy and wanted to play with it.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ReverendMyc] * 1
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ReverendMyc said:
Wild timing. I just overshot, or thought I did. Was 10+ before pasteurization. So I added more peat and dropped it down to 8.

But wait, there's more...
After pasteurizing and cooling it had dropped to 5 to 6. So I just added some limey water and have it back in the IP. I should have stuck to the recipe and left it alone, but I got a new toy and wanted to play with it.






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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ReverendMyc] * 2
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I'm still figuring out my ph reader. It was showing 7.2 so I kept adding lime. I left it in and walked away and it shot up. I guess it's not an instant read lol. Live and learn.

I'm not using it for at least a week so I'll retest then.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: lamech]
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lamech said:
Hey folks, been working on my first pans grow with monotubs for a minute and I've got a few Qs.
I'm seeing a lot of bruising (or is it aborting?) in one of my tubs. Would this be from misting, conditions or something else? And once they get quite blue is it worth drying and eating them? I've got about 100g of mostly very blue fruits I just harvested:


They came from this tub (photo from monday):


And I've got this other tub that I've been giving less FAE and which was not showing the bruising issue until today or yesterday, and which is also growing some pretty anemic looking fruits:





As TF said growing em in monos can be tricky, good passive airflow in your room outside the tub is helpful in maintaining the right fresh air balance. I would reckon you’ve not enough air flow in those totes personally. Your fruits resemble mine when I’m waiting to dump the tub and have set it aside with the lid closed.

As for direct misting causing aborts it can and will happen with certain cultures, I’ve found some cultures tolerate misting better than others, general advice is to always select many cultures from a germ plate and run them all searching for the most tub tolerant line. Not all cuts will tolerate a tub, that being said I will definitively say with enough searching any species and locale, wild or domesticated has the potential to be fruited in a mono, selection is key to find something tolerable to your personal environment.

Further growing in tubs for pans is hardly a one size fits all as outside factors of generalized rh, temps, air flow will affect the overall approach to dialing in your tub. Eg I find growing them in tubs takes an active approach and generalized curation of intentionality in developing a feel for them so you can make your adjustments on the fly.

You’re basically there though, I’d adjust your air exchange and compensate with misting to uphold moisture/evaporation. As well don’t be afraid to shelve the current culture if they remain uncooperative, your time may be better spent searching for one more cooperative to your capabilities.

As for misting as well, cyans can be less forgiving and a general rule I have for misting with them is during growth I mist enough to wet the caps however towing the line where by the caps have essentially evaporated the mist after about 5-10mins. But again this is curated to my personal environment, when growing in a different space with say higher temps and lower general eg the amount of misting to achieve this is quite a bit more than cooler and higher general rh…

The bruising could be drawn from underlaying health issues of your sub as well, keep an eye out for mold or other contamination that could present itself in the coming days, if you do see mold spring in the coming days I’d lean more towards that being the cause of the aborts than any issues with misting and conditions, especially considering the late stage aborting.

But hey man like I said you’re basically there, keep trying and developing your feel for them, they’ll come around eventually it’ll just take some time, in the meantime you got some to sample. Hell eating em may even make em like you more :lol:

Just suggestions, far from absolute rules, you got this!

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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I use that same pH reader Rev posted for calcium hydroxide adjustments.  I like it :smile:

If you don't have a good pH reader, two to one by weight peat and calcium carbonate has been treating me well.  I'm using powdered limestone because it's a lot cheaper.  You want to get the high calcium stuff though, 90% or more.

And I cribbed that from kirkeng :heart:


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I'd be running up that road
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox] * 1
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So question for you fellers.

I’m growing out of shoeboxes inside humidity chambers. Really low end of the tech gradient stuff here. I have 3 tubs of bisporus going, and they’re all producing just a few fruits. These are from MS genes.

My questions are 1) do these clone well? I was told they do. And 2) is this typical for MS grows to only put out a few fruits for bisporus, or are the rest of the fruits just slower to come in like some species?

Any insights into the grow cycle for bispo would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!


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