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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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Well nobody has seen a difference in yield in either method so no I'm not sure what would be the benefit other than killing molds off prior


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cronicr]
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Well then that definitely sounds like one benefit for sure LOL.


I mean it's not what we are doing. But if you are able to put it in that cooler and maintain the proper temperature with the hot water then if your goal is to pasteurize. you've done it. That's majorly beneficial. Not necessary but definitely beneficial.


But yes I agree with you for sure. I also agree with him.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ButtFace] * 1
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ButtFace said:
Why are some of the spore prints that I get in trades a crumbly or powder like consistency and not stuck to the foil? Do people not dry them long enough?


Some cheap foil I find spores don't stick to great


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said:
Well...the fact that people have been using cold water for years now sorta supports the theory


:whathesaid:

I've used cold water for coir and verm plenty of times. it's fine.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie] * 1
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callmehippie said:
Well then that definitely sounds like one benefit for sure LOL.


I mean it's not what we are doing. But if you are able to put it in that cooler and maintain the proper temperature with the hot water then if your goal is to pasteurize. you've done it. That's majorly beneficial. Not necessary but definitely beneficial.


But yes I agree with you for sure. I also agree with him.


But...if people aren't getting mold from using cold water then what benefit comes from killing the mold with. Hot water lol


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cronicr]
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The whole point is getting off track I never said cold water didn't work.


I'm only saying that there's no proof that using hot water is not beneficial


When he replied to my comment he made a bold claim and stated don't use hot water it's completely unnecessary and not beneficial. I completely agree with the unnecessary part.

But don't tell me something isn't proven if what you are saying also isn't proven.

And then say somebody should do one or the other. Because it really doesn't matter if you use one or the other in this instance.

But ultimately he was telling who I recommended to get an insulated cooler that's a waste of money just get a bucket. I said I agree it is more expensive. I happen to use hot water though and the hot water warps and melts my buckets.



And they're definitely are benefits to using the hot water. Whether or not those benefits matter or make a difference is a different story.
it doesn't seem that any of it is actually proven or researched.

The main one I imagine is just that it expands quicker.




The only thing that's unsubstantiated about that is whether or not myc  happens to like to cook coir better or not.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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callmehippie said:
People have also been using hot water. Those basically cancel each other out that's not really good enough to support a theory.


Except it is good enough to support a theory.
If you guys both ran 100 tubs and the cold water does just as good as your hot water.....that proves his point of zero benefit does it not?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cronicr]
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That proves zero benefit and the killing contamin factor and stuff like that. It doesn't prove that it's not beneficial to expand core with hot water over cold water. I've read many times that hot water helps it go along a lot faster. That is a benefit.


It's good enough for a hypothesis yes. But it is by no means proof and is not good enough in the sake of the conversation for saying I know for a fact what you're doing is 100% beneficial.

And then to respond especially with no proof to back it up it's such an unsubstantiated claim. Which I absolutely also agree with.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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Still my point is no proof either way other than there is no seemingly difference 100 tubs hot water or cold water they both work exactly the same.

Still there could be benefits to using cold water and or benefits to using hot water that none of us know about.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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So once again to be clear it does not matter if you use hot water or cold water. I simply used it because I read it and a respected TC's tech. Which is also why I recommended somebody else use the insulated cooler.

Because if you do happen to want to use boiling water those buckets make such a Tight Seal they vacuum and warp.


However a bucket is much cheaper than the insulated cooler. At the time I bought the cooler it was because the boiling water melted three buckets. And I didn't know any better at the time whether you should use cold or hot water or if it mattered.

Now I have the insulated cooler and it works great especially with hot water if that's what I choose.


Everybody please take this as you will and do exactly whatever you'd like. I don't want to hijack This Thread anymore.  Seems like  what I'm what i actually was trying to say is getting looked over entirely. 


And they argument at the moment between me and him is not whether the boiling water is beneficial it's whether there's proof or not if mycelium happens to possibly liked core if it's cooked or not that was the claim made by Bod..

he said is a bold unsubstantial claim which I am completely agree with and included in the post.

And then I said I'm interested to know if there is actual proof on this subject. it would help a lot. It would be nice just to know.


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Edited by callmehippie (08/25/25 12:15 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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Here's your problem, it can be proven you'll grow just as many shrooms with just as high of a success rate with cold water, his side's proven but you can't prove you'll do better with hot water I mean there ain't even an argument to be had here.
Bods Tek came from years back when everyone was using damions Tek which was a step up from pasteurizing , then eats did it with cold water and theories were thrown out the window


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cronicr]
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I agree I have said that the whole time my side is not proven as well. None of it is proven that's what I'm saying it's getting looked over as well as it had nothing to do with what I was talking about when I said proof it was not about the boiling water.

I never once said hot water performs better does better and people should be using it.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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You guys are taking some of this stuff out of context you need to go back to the op and see how it actually started it's about an insulated cooler costing more than a bucket and why I'm using the insulated cooler is all seriously that's it.




It's been taken out of context because he told me well then I'm using too hot of water if my buckets are melting. I'm basically saying yes that's why I'm using the insulated cooler.

And the only benefit that I could recall that is unproven is from the tek I read saying the mycillian likes the coir better if it's cooked.

But on the flip side of this is there any proof it doesn't like cooked coir. 


And that really is a question. not me spitting back in argument saying you're wrong as well.



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Edited by callmehippie (08/25/25 12:26 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cronicr] * 2
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Hot water seems to hydrate compressed bricks of coir a little quicker than cold water.  I guess one could count that as beneficial but i also feel like it's a moot point.

Bags of loose coir for the win.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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Take a deep breath, dude. You're good.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LotKid] * 1
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Lol.  Yay. Thanks for coming and lightening up the mood a little bit.


Also.


Og lot kid

you literally changed my life with that tip on the parafilm.  and getting the paper backing off.

If this is what you meant




Fuckin A man.

I put into so much work last night. In half the time


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie] * 2
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******INHALE***** EXHALE*****


:foshizzle:
I needed that lol.  Im Good
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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callmehippie said:
BeefSupremeJr said:
B Traven said:
TedsDead said:
Show me the evidence of myc liking cooked coir more than uncooked coir.  bold unsubstantiated claim


............


I am actually curious though do you have any proof or evidence to back up that boiling water/"cooked coir" is in fact completely  unbeneficial and unnecessary 100% like you are saying there is none to prove that it is.

Cuz if not then you are also making just as much as a  highly unsubstantiated bold claim.

And the only point to this conversation is the insulated cooler is more expensive than the bucket.


I'm simply responding to what u quoted here about having proof , I don't care about the insulated cooler my point was that it's been proven over and over again that it indeed doesn't benefit us or our goals
That said go ahead n bucket tek it, PC it for 3 hours for all I care lol


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cronicr]
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The proof i asked  is in regard to does mycelium like cooked coir. You missed the point

The point then boiling water was for the coir to be cooked which is what bod stated.  That's the only benefit being argued. And I'm not arguing that it is beneficial. Because it's absolutely not proven.

Which IS a very bold and unproven  statement.


He says show me the evidence it likes it I say show me the evidence it doesn't. Not as an argument. I'd love to actually see evidence and put that to bed.


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Edited by callmehippie (08/25/25 12:32 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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Again bods statement comes from decades old info , bro the proof is in the results lol...it's pretty basic math fam, hot water doesn't get you anymore mushrooms than cold water


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