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#29235317 - 05/31/25 10:32 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Does anyone have a good priced source for wheat grains that's free/cheap shipping in North America? I can't seem to find as good of a deal as the last 50 pounds I bought...

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#29235320 - 05/31/25 10:37 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

wcg18 said:

Does anyone have a good priced source for wheat grains that's free/cheap shipping in North America? I can't seem to find as good of a deal as the last 50 pounds I bought...

Your best price for grain will be what you can get locally at a feed store. I love wheat, but if I could only get oats or rye locally I would use those instead.

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#29235330 - 05/31/25 10:41 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

RoscoeReturns said:

Arkyhog said:

For lions mane bags, soy pellets or wheat bran to go with my oak pellets?

I use wheat bran because it’s what I can source locally, but I liked soy hulls better when I could get them. Neither are worth it if you have to pay shipping, though.

We grow a lot of soy beans in my home state so i should be able to find it local for sure. Thanks for the suggestion.

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#29235354 - 05/31/25 11:06 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Smellyhobbit said:

If I had 1 of 7 jars massively contam without having been opened since the PC cycle, its lid failure, right?

Or a grain wasn't properly hydrated and tammed out, or a steam void happened, or jesus knows what you did when you were 14.

Lots of possibilities.

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#29235366 - 05/31/25 11:15 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Taller jars tend to stall more than wide 1/2 pints. I don’t see any indications of contamination. How were you intending to fruit and why did you only inoculate one jar?

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#29235378 - 05/31/25 11:25 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

RoscoeReturns said:

wcg18 said:

Does anyone have a good priced source for wheat grains that's free/cheap shipping in North America? I can't seem to find as good of a deal as the last 50 pounds I bought...

Your best price for grain will be what you can get locally at a feed store. I love wheat, but if I could only get oats or rye locally I would use those instead.

I just went to the local feed store today and they didn't have anything unfortunately, is why I'm asking.

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#29235417 - 05/31/25 11:58 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Wild bird seed at any local big box store.

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#29235477 - 06/01/25 01:27 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I used to use tall jars like that for PFTek (couldn't find short ones) and often found they'd start to pin before fully colonised.
I simply birthed them & cut / rinsed off any uncolonised material, and they fruited fine.

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#29235478 - 06/01/25 01:28 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Smellyhobbit said:

If I had 1 of 7 jars massively contam without having been opened since the PC cycle, its lid failure, right?

Yes, 100%.

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#29235555 - 06/01/25 07:53 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

The Tao said:

Taller jars tend to stall more than wide 1/2 pints. I don’t see any indications of contamination. How were you intending to fruit and why did you only inoculate one jar?

I did have 5 jars originally, the other 4 just didn't do anything. I used some old syringes to do this with, and then I ended up with just the one jar. It is for the purpose of obtaining a spore print.

The best course of action would be to birth it, cut off the uncolonized part, and send it? I originally wanted to crumble this into a pint jar with coir and see if I can get it to fruit out of that

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#29235589 - 06/01/25 08:51 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I would birth, rinse gently, soak overnight, roll and water tub. I would not crumble a cake that already has pins when I was hoping for a spore print.

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#29235696 - 06/01/25 09:50 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

So I harvested from this the last 2 days. This is what's left over. Should I just harvest the rest. And punish it for a better even flush? I have to compact it next time... I didn't compact it. So what are my options, it is brf broken up with coir. 1:1 ratio (high I know).

And when I prepare it for next flush, should I break it up and add more coir Maybe double the coir I had used. To bump it to 2:4?

FYI it wasn't a great flush for first flush. Only got 69 grams.

Edited by BlakoDako (06/01/25 09:52 AM)

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#29235881 - 06/01/25 12:15 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

BRF cakes are not grain spawn and you should not expect you spawn ratios to be the same. I do not personally think that is a high ratio. I also don't think you should be expecting the returns that grain spawn gives.

Cakes are designed as an all in one growing solution. They already have an ideal ratio of spawn to substrate in the cakes themselves. When you break up those cakes into coir you further dilute that nutrition into more substrate.

If you want your monotub to perform like it has grain spawn, then clean up a culture on agar and make grain spawn. :shrug:

:shrug:

I know people spawn cakes to coir and get good results, but I have always found it to be sub-par when compared to grain.

BlakoDako said:

And when I prepare it for next flush, should I break it up and add more coir Maybe double the coir I had used. To bump it to 2:4?

No. Once you have spawned a tub you have spawned it. If you were to break it up into more coir it would have to spend all of that energy and nutrition colonizing that coir instead of fruiting. Never remix.

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#29236057 - 06/01/25 02:07 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Awesome. Thanks for the info. So far things have been great all the way around. I'm waiting to get a presto before I mess with grain any more.

Which shouldn't be to far out. Probably this week. I didn't know that adding the coir would dilute it so much. I know it's used for its lack of nutrition and moisture retention. But interesting. So if I was going to break up a brf cake, don't mix it with coir? Or just don't expect alot?

I will say between keeping it in a jar form in a monotub. Vs breaking it up. I get double to triple the fruits when I break it up. So I have been trying to see what is working better. Honestly I have 3 setups running.

One is a in a big plastic tub. Kinda sitting over 1" of water. With plastic bags covering half of it during the day. And all of it at night. That one is booming constantly. This is the one in question. Not big flush. But it's continuing. Like. Not ending a flush. So I'm confused.

Number 2 is a 76qt sterlite container with half inch of perlite hydrated, and custom holes all the way around about mid level up. I patch them as needed with micropore tape. They are 1/8" holes. Can count later. But I overdid it (first one).
The cakes are stacked ontop of plastic lids. And fruit like that.

3 is just a like 30ish qt tub with a blue lid. 2 holes on long sides. One on short side. With a liner, that has only side pinned. It has pins in the middle starting. But it is my only one that has an SidePinsOnly account. Frustrating as fuck. With a liner. I probably fucked with it is why.

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#29236082 - 06/01/25 02:33 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Hi everyone,
I’m growing mushrooms for the first time and got myself a fully colonized "Fresh Mushroom Grow Kit" (McKennaii).

According to the instructions, you just need to open the kit, place it in the included perforated grow bag, and wait. The first mushrooms (fruiting bodies) are supposed to appear within 1 to 3 weeks. It also says that once the first pins show up, the bag should be left slightly open to allow excess moisture to escape.

Now, it’s been three days, and there’s no condensation visible on the inside of the bag. So I’m assuming the humidity inside might not be that high. For other kits on the same website, the instructions say to mist the grow bag and/or the mycelium. And as we all know, mushrooms typically need high humidity to grow properly.

So here are my questions:
– Is it normal that there’s no condensation yet?
– Can mushrooms even grow under these conditions?
– Should I mist the substrate if nothing happens after the three weeks?

I’d really appreciate any advice or tips from those with experience!

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#29236104 - 06/01/25 02:51 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

If nothing happens, give it a dunk for several hours, drain and rinse...

Probably better to put into a sterilite tub with lid cracked open...
If you're serious about continuing cultivation

Read the Hitchhiker's guide to the shroomery...

Welcome and I hope it turns out successful for you.

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You Can probably mist (fine) it right now if you feel it's dry

Edited by LewDoja (06/01/25 02:54 PM)

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#29236572 - 06/01/25 09:21 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

BlakoDako said:

So if I was going to break up a brf cake, don't mix it with coir? Or just don't expect alot?

I will say between keeping it in a jar form in a monotub. Vs breaking it up. I get double to triple the fruits when I break it up. So I have been trying to see what is working better. Honestly I have 3 setups running.

One is a in a big plastic tub. Kinda sitting over 1" of water. With plastic bags covering half of it during the day. And all of it at night. That one is booming constantly. This is the one in question. Not big flush. But it's continuing. Like. Not ending a flush. So I'm confused.

Exactly. Just don’t expect a whole lot. I got more fruits that way too. Just nowhere near what grain will provide.

The “never ending” flush is primarily a symptom of two things : multispore inoculation coupled with harvesting individual fruits as they become mature. (rather than harvest whole tub at once)

You’re getting successful results though, so that is most important of all. Congrats!!

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#29236665 - 06/01/25 11:31 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Hello,

Hope everyone is doing well!

With 1 "normal" spore print (B+ / Golden teacher), how much 10ml syringue can I do?

And with a 10ml syringue, how many cakes can I innocule (wide mouth half pint jar)?

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#29236671 - 06/01/25 11:37 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Tropical said:

Hello,

Hope everyone is doing well!

With 1 "normal" spore print (B+ / Golden teacher), how much 10ml syringue can I do?

And with a 10ml syringue, how many cakes can I innocule (wide mouth half pint jar)?

Cheers

You can make a lot of syringes with a print. Idk what an exact figure would look like, but I would think you could make dozens.

Idk what the rule of thumb is regarding how much spore solution to put in each inoculation point though. I used to do .5ml per hole, but it probably depends on how thick you make your syringes.

Hitchhikers guide in my sig should have PF TEK in it. 🤙

Edit: I was curious myself, so I looked it up. Updated PF Tek says a "drop or two" in each inoculation hole. Easier to achieve by squeezing the syringe than trying to push such a small amout with the plunger. Also, be sure to shake the hell out of the syringe prior to innoculating.

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#29236689 - 06/01/25 11:54 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Tropical said:

Hello,

Hope everyone is doing well!

With 1 "normal" spore print (B+ / Golden teacher), how much 10ml syringue can I do?

And with a 10ml syringue, how many cakes can I innocule (wide mouth half pint jar)?

Cheers

Hello!

Most people here probably aren’t making spore syringes. Maybe bought some from vendors along the way… I know I did that.

But once you have prints, then you can swab or scrape a tiny amount onto agar or a brf puck. No need to mess with creating syringes and additional contamination risks.

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