Huskies said:

It does have a straw pseudocasing, but I suppose that wouldn't be enough?

Why does the casing help bisporus, microclimates and water retention? Without it does it not pin properly?

Similarly, what is the purpose of the grass seed? How much should I use? Do I just sprinkle some in the pasteurized casing (I'm assuming for soil + coir bucket tek is fine?) after its cooled down?

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The straw is probably helpful.  But yeah, I think it will have trouble pinning.  You can always try, though.

We don't know exactly what a casing supplies.  It could be just microclimate, it could be humic acids, the calcium, the ph shift.  A combination of all of the above.  We can make educated guesses based on studies in gourments.  But I don't know that anyone has looked that closely to know for sure yet.

Grass..  I think is also doing many things.  It is covered in endospores.  Some of these species of bacteria and fungi likely have symbiotic relationships with grass fungus.  Even if they're not directly mycorrhizal, nature still is interconnected.  And the hormones that promote plant root groth that some microbes produce affects mushrooms too.  Large bladed grass seems to sequester a lot of carbon also.  Which would potentially help protect the high humidity microclimate from competitors.  It seems to help cap development, and fruit body health.  So, it stands to reason that the relationship is multifactorial.

These were grown with thick wheatgrass on a recycled substrate inoculated with LI.  High humidity tent.  The air quality in there is just okay and the substrate was nutrient poor.





Here's a nutrient rich substrate, without grass.  Pinned heavily but I also lost a bunch to aborts, and then fungus gnats went after it before the second flush.  Much smaller fruits but heavy clustering.



And I'd suggest properly pastuerizing anything with nitrogin in it.  You could also try adding liquid nitrogin to coir.  Mojave has been using true organics bucket teked.

Asura said:

Puduwoke said:

Question time!

Asura mentions in his/her write-up that she stored pan LC for longterm storage.

Link https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26355507

I didn't think pans liked to be stored for longterm?

Anyone else done this with success and if so. For how long can it be stored?

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I had no idea that I was in a his/her situation

I'm not talking years here man. I guess I could be more clear. Maybe like 3 months

I put the syringes in one of those insulated lunch boxes and keep it in the fridge.

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I simply didn't want to disrespect my guru

Oh, so you put it in the fridge as well

Guessing a petri dish should be fine at least a few weeks as well then. Of course I do this with my gourmets. Just in the back of my head I wanted to remember Pans really didn't liked to be stored like that.

Thanks for getting back to me Asura and clearing that up for me

tree frog said:

Pans don't colonize coir well unless it's mixed with compost.  So, likely they don't view it as nutritious.

And this is just under a 1/4" of peat casing.  I let bisporus completely colonize before introducing more oxygen (fae).



It acts as a moisture reservoir.  And most of the water used to make mushrooms, comes from the top of the substrate.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1749461321000464

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astra said:

Asura said:

I had no idea that I was in a his/her situation

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Oh I'm truly sorry if you felt offended/disrespected due to someone else tagging me with your username. I only meant to send that person your way and make it easier for 'them' to get the correct information.

Frankly this thread is getting ridiculous with misinformation plus Blue isn't here anymore so what else is there to post about? I think the time has come for me to retire and give way to the new comers. Have a blessed day.

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Astra you just sent me a PM being all butthurt about me "tagging" you?

If I ever did it was by mistake, sorry. Don't even know who you're? But I can't find when I ever did this? I'm talking about Asura and I checked my post and I never tagged or mentioned your name? Curious what the problem is and why you got mad at me for?

Puduwoke said:

astra said:

Asura said:

I had no idea that I was in a his/her situation

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Oh I'm truly sorry if you felt offended/disrespected due to someone else tagging me with your username. I only meant to send that person your way and make it easier for 'them' to get the correct information.

Frankly this thread is getting ridiculous with misinformation plus Blue isn't here anymore so what else is there to post about? I think the time has come for me to retire and give way to the new comers. Have a blessed day.

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Astra you just sent me a PM being all butthurt about me "tagging" you?

If I ever did it was by mistake, sorry. Don't even know who you're? But I can't find when I ever did this? I'm talking about Asura and I checked my post and I never tagged or mentioned your name? Curious what the problem is and why you got mad at me for?

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stagger said:

Fell asleep on this yesterday and might as well get one more pic :p

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tree frog said:

Bispo trips are like this (without the veil obviously).  Courtesy of eniqma, thanks fam.



Other mushrooms some degree of this. (Thought it was a goddess, turned out, I am in fact that bitch).

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