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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra] * 1
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astra said:
Let's read the last 20~30 pages of this thread, dear... Take that as friendly homework to give you a head start with troubleshooting :heart::heart:



Hey would you be a dear and post your Blue Helix links again?  I'm having trouble finding em.


-Kingboomer


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kingboomer] * 1
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kingboomer said:
astra said:
Let's read the last 20~30 pages of this thread, dear... Take that as friendly homework to give you a head start with troubleshooting :heart::heart:



Hey would you be a dear and post your Blue Helix links again?  I'm having trouble finding em.


-Kingboomer


kingboomer said:
Can we keep UTFSE?


-Kingboomer


Couldnt have said it better yourself:

Use the search function.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra] * 4
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Here are my trays. One tray has a visible cluster of pins on the side, while all the trays have very small pins along the edges. This is TTBVI from Gordotek.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: catnip40] * 1
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Just an update to the pin race.

I took the lid off the tray that was inside my JCM last night, by morning the green had spread to 90% of the tub.

I'm now curious if there is a relationship between fresh air restriction and contam growth.

Obviously, the goal is to have a tray not go green at all, just pondering my most recent observation.

Do you guys put your pan trays straight into the JCM or do you use a lid before your pasteurized or sterilized substrate is fully colonized?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 2
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
Mr Piggy said:
PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
I store my manure similar to you


Just make sure to ship high in transit.


Hey Piggy, I don't understand this comment. Could you elaborate please?


There's an old wives tale that incorrectly states that the word shit comes from manure being labeled "ship high in transit" in ships to avoid moisture mixing and causing excess methane in the ship.  It's all a load, starting with no one was shipping poop :lol:  internet/urban legend.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
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Guano was shipped by sail, and caused all sorts of problems during transport. Maybe a couple old wives tales got crossed.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 3
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
I'm now curious if there is a relationship between fresh air restriction and contam growth.


Idk about molds, but some bacteria likes to grow in a low/no oxygen environment. It's called anaerobic bacteria.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dala]
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MalluShroomer said:
Here are my trays. One tray has a visible cluster of pins on the side, while all the trays have very small pins along the edges. This is TTBVI from Gordotek.



I would let the ones that are pinning ride, as well as the one that's partially colonized the casing.  Overtime the pH will drop so hopefully they'll balance themselves out.

The other two you could either scrape the casing off completely and recase, or scrape some off so it's not as thick.  Or, let ride and hope they do their thing before contamination does.

For pan cyans, jiffy mix works well if it's available.  It should be in the right pH range right out of the bag.  But yeah, shoot for less than a quarter inch casing. A lot of folks suggest just barely covering them mycelium.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
For pan cyans, jiffy mix works well if it's available.  It should be in the right pH range right out of the bag.  But yeah, shoot for less than a quarter inch casing. A lot of folks suggest just barely covering them mycelium.


Question about using jiffy mix:

Do you hydrate it first and then case, or do you sprinkle on dry and mist?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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A friend of mine sprinkles it on and then mists it.

I have more time than money, so I don't use jiffy mix.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 10
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Sorry to cross post from cpotd but it's a beauty
Pan. Mystery S.A.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: THE MYCOSMITH] * 8
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Yeah having too thick a casing is a mistake alot of people make, for best results you want to keep your casing thin as possible. You should be able to see mycelium peaking thru


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419] * 7
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While you’re here Jake.. can too high of temps cause overlay?



I have this MiB clone that seems to like to overlay but once I flipped em and put it in a different chamber that didn’t have a heater, they flushed out without any crazy myc growth.  It’s starting to heat up in my area and I’m thinking that an 84F setting in my jcm might just be too hot (I’ve since turned it down to 80, but wanted it to see if I’m on the right track

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster] * 1
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Obviously not Jake, and I'm still curious to hear his opinion if he's still around, but I've seen a correlation with overlay and very high humidity with some of my cultures.

So, ime, indirectly yes.  As the water heater increases humidity, both by encouraging evaporation from your reservoir and allowing the air to hold water more easily.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster] * 4
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No overlay is mostly genetic however it’s easily remedied, if a tray look like it’s overlaying during colonization (mycelium is very thick especially on the surface) allow the tray 3-5 days in incubation after full colonization, then case and immediately place into fruiting conditions, hydrate casing to start off the tray


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Ty.  The last time I grew MiB, it was the dead of winter so it was pretty chilly in the room even with the heat going so the aquarium heater was probably still battling to get things warm in the tub and now it’s like mid 70’s consistently so I’d think that 84F setting is gonna creep up the temps inside much faster.  I guess we’ll see but it wasn’t something I thought about until today so hopefully it helps

Jakeoncid419 said:
No overlay is mostly genetic however it’s easily remedied, if a tray look like it’s overlaying during colonization (mycelium is very thick especially on the surface) allow the tray 3-5 days in incubation after full colonization, then case and immediately place into fruiting conditions, hydrate casing to start off the tray


Cool.  That was also a thought.. these are taking their time to pin so I’m probably just casing too quickly.  I’ll wait til day 8-10 and see if that helps the next time I run it.  Ty

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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I'll give this a go with mystery sa, they're the ones that overlay the most for me.  But reducing rH in my tent did encourage it to stop eating the casing and pin.

Maybe a better way to phrase my initial reply would be to say that a very high humidity can make evaporation more difficult in some setups.  And at least with some of my cultures, this can lead to excessive vegetative growth.

But I still want to try your strategy with the mystery.  It's been real hit and miss for me.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kingboomer]
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kingboomer said:
astra said:
Let's read the last 20~30 pages of this thread, dear... Take that as friendly homework to give you a head start with troubleshooting :heart::heart:



Hey would you be a dear and post your Blue Helix links again?  I'm having trouble finding em.


-Kingboomer


https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26836048/fpart/all
Its one of my favorites to this date. There's 60 pages worth of posts, massive pyramid of knowledge...i could read all day everyday into the twilight hour. That's how much i loved him and the craft :heart::heart:

Reading is LIFE
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Jakeoncid419 said:
No overlay is mostly genetic however it’s easily remedied, if a tray look like it’s overlaying during colonization (mycelium is very thick especially on the surface) allow the tray 3-5 days in incubation after full colonization, then case and immediately place into fruiting conditions, hydrate casing to start off the tray


Thank you for this, its been rough trying to tell folks about why overlay/stroma shows up and devours the casing like the swamp alligator. It comes down to genetics, what is a clone? Why do people play around with clones? Genetics, its that simple. You're a wizard with clones (and hybridization by fusion while we're at it) though, i'm not lol. For me, MS performs king...always been that way :oldman:

Always a pleasure seeing you, Jake :hug:
Makes me wish Blue was still around


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MalluShroomer]
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MalluShroomer said:
Here are my trays. One tray has a visible cluster of pins on the side, while all the trays have very small pins along the edges. This is TTBVI from Gordotek.



I call such trays 'trouble child' lol

Do you have leftover casing? If so, scrape that shit (carefully, don't damage the colonized block), re case with a very thin layer (so thin you can barely see the mycelium underneath). I always have plenty of casing ready for use in case something happens but its kinda rare tbh.

If not, then take them out of the tent.. leave them on that table for 24 hours without any sort of hydration/misting.. let's force evaporation with amish voodoo. Place them back in the tent the next day and give them a very generous mist in the morning and one before bedtime until the wave comes in. I'll keep your trays in my prayers :mushroom2:

ps,
With 'trouble child' trays like yours, i wouldn't worry about temporarily turning off the fogger and fan until you get that first wave sorted out.


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