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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Bigworm] * 4
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Bigworm said:
If I want to sterilize empty jars in a PC how long do I need to cook them for at 18psi?


I'd bet that the PC cycles we use for agar would be more than sufficient for empty vessels.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Scemilope]
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My Penis Envy PF cakes never gave me a single pin. Should I grow PE with bulk substrate only?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ParanoidGuy]
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Lots of people have successfully grown on cakes with PE strains.

There maybe something contaminating your cakes. Do you have any pictures?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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First time cultivator want to start off by saying I am taking all advice already present in the forums, thus I have decided to trust the experienced growers as you should! and have decided to go for the PF to Monotub method for my first grow, it suits me best and I want to not go all out on PC, I most likely will do this and agar down the line I just want to see if this is the right route. Just wanting to finalise this because the information I want I struggle to find.

Using the trusted vendors it's still hassle to order the LC or spore syringes to my area (I can get it but its double the cost of the spore syringe) as I have a budget but am also very eager after consuming all the information I have lately I just want to get stuck in I have the necessary range of materials expected for delivery.

I want to know if I buy 2 10ml spore syringes to inoculate my spawn in 20 250ml jars ready to fruit them in the mono is this an issue rather than using LC or making the spore syringe solution myself? both syringes will be the same sub-strain and both will be from the same trusted vendor.

All replies are appreciated thank you
go easy on me I'mma trying man

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: TheChief365]
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TheChief365 said:
First time cultivator want to start off by saying I am taking all advice already present in the forums, thus I have decided to trust the experienced growers as you should! and have decided to go for the PF to Monotub method for my first grow, it suits me best and I want to not go all out on PC, I most likely will do this and agar down the line I just want to see if this is the right route. Just wanting to finalise this because the information I want I struggle to find.

Using the trusted vendors it's still hassle to order the LC or spore syringes to my area (I can get it but its double the cost of the spore syringe) as I have a budget but am also very eager after consuming all the information I have lately I just want to get stuck in I have the necessary range of materials expected for delivery.

I want to know if I buy 2 10ml spore syringes to inoculate my spawn in 20 250ml jars ready to fruit them in the mono is this an issue rather than using LC or making the spore syringe solution myself? both syringes will be the same sub-strain and both will be from the same trusted vendor.

All replies are appreciated thank you
go easy on me I'mma trying man


TheChief365 said:
First time cultivator want to start off by saying I am taking all advice already present in the forums, thus I have decided to trust the experienced growers as you should! and have decided to go for the PF to Monotub method for my first grow, it suits me best and I want to not go all out on PC, I most likely will do this and agar down the line I just want to see if this is the right route. Just wanting to finalise this because the information I want I struggle to find.

Using the trusted vendors it's still hassle to order the LC or spore syringes to my area (I can get it but its double the cost of the spore syringe) as I have a budget but am also very eager after consuming all the information I have lately I just want to get stuck in I have the necessary range of materials expected for delivery.

I want to know if I buy 2 10ml spore syringes to inoculate my spawn in 20 250ml jars ready to fruit them in the mono is this an issue rather than using LC or making the spore syringe solution myself? both syringes will be the same sub-strain and both will be from the same trusted vendor.

All replies are appreciated thank you
go easy on me I'mma trying man


In my initial experiences, I utilized spore syringes from a reputable vendor to inoculate my spawn. However, as many experienced cultivators may advise, transitioning directly from spore syringes to spawn is not recommended. My attempts in this regard were unsuccessful, and I would strongly advise against this method. Utilizing agar may seem daunting, but it is considerably simpler than one might anticipate and is certainly worthwhile for validating genetic strains. While the eagerness to witness the emergence of those first mushrooms is understandable, I assure you that exercising caution and thoroughly validating your strains will yield greater rewards than inadvertently wasting both time and resources. This is a valuable lesson I have learned through my experiences.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: TheChief365] * 1
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Sounds like you are getting off on the right foot. PF Tek is a great way to start. When you say monotub method, I am taking it to mean the water tub for fruiting. That is a very reliable and simple way to fruit PF cakes.

2 x 10 ml syringes should be enough to inoculate 20 1/2 pint PF jars as long as you are careful when inoculating. It can be a little tricky squirting very small amounts but it is doable. Stick to the teks and read and reread the Hitcher's Guide to Shroomery and you will be well on your way.

Ask questions and upload pictures along the way and you should get plenty of help and support here. Congrats on finding the best place to start your journey.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Arkyhog] * 1
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Spore syringe to PF Tek is fine, that's what it was designed for. LC would be slightly faster since it doesn't need to germinate, and less contamination chance, though BRF+verm is resistant to bacteria. Just get whatever you feel like and take spore prints from the resulting mushrooms.

TheChief365, "spawn" is used to refer to sterile grain (or sometimes sawdust, in gourmet cultivation). Such spawn should only be inoculated with clean mycelium.

The BRF and vermiculite mixture used in PF tek is a different kind of substrate that makes it difficult for bacteria to spread. There are good guides for PF here to follow.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Arkyhog]
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Arkyhog said:
TheChief365 said:
First time cultivator want to start off by saying I am taking all advice already present in the forums, thus I have decided to trust the experienced growers as you should! and have decided to go for the PF to Monotub method for my first grow, it suits me best and I want to not go all out on PC, I most likely will do this and agar down the line I just want to see if this is the right route. Just wanting to finalise this because the information I want I struggle to find.

Using the trusted vendors it's still hassle to order the LC or spore syringes to my area (I can get it but its double the cost of the spore syringe) as I have a budget but am also very eager after consuming all the information I have lately I just want to get stuck in I have the necessary range of materials expected for delivery.

I want to know if I buy 2 10ml spore syringes to inoculate my spawn in 20 250ml jars ready to fruit them in the mono is this an issue rather than using LC or making the spore syringe solution myself? both syringes will be the same sub-strain and both will be from the same trusted vendor.

All replies are appreciated thank you
go easy on me I'mma trying man


In my initial experiences, I utilized spore syringes from a reputable vendor to inoculate my spawn. However, as many experienced cultivators may advise, transitioning directly from spore syringes to spawn is not recommended. My attempts in this regard were unsuccessful, and I would strongly advise against this method. Utilizing agar may seem daunting, but it is considerably simpler than one might anticipate and is certainly worthwhile for validating genetic strains. While the eagerness to witness the emergence of those first mushrooms is understandable, I assure you that exercising caution and thoroughly validating your strains will yield greater rewards than inadvertently wasting both time and resources. This is a valuable lesson I have learned through my experiences.


Spore syringes are fine for PF Tek. I see that TheChief365 did say spores to spawn at one point, but I am assuming that they meant pf spawn rather than grains.

If not, Arkyhog is right, don't send spores directly to grains, do the agar work. But spores to pf tek is fine.

@Phaethon Jinx!

Edited by ReverendMyc (02/20/25 01:51 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Arkyhog]
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Arkyhog said:
TheChief365 said:
First time cultivator want to start off by saying I am taking all advice already present in the forums, thus I have decided to trust the experienced growers as you should! and have decided to go for the PF to Monotub method for my first grow, it suits me best and I want to not go all out on PC, I most likely will do this and agar down the line I just want to see if this is the right route. Just wanting to finalise this because the information I want I struggle to find.

Using the trusted vendors it's still hassle to order the LC or spore syringes to my area (I can get it but its double the cost of the spore syringe) as I have a budget but am also very eager after consuming all the information I have lately I just want to get stuck in I have the necessary range of materials expected for delivery.

I want to know if I buy 2 10ml spore syringes to inoculate my spawn in 20 250ml jars ready to fruit them in the mono is this an issue rather than using LC or making the spore syringe solution myself? both syringes will be the same sub-strain and both will be from the same trusted vendor.

All replies are appreciated thank you
go easy on me I'mma trying man


TheChief365 said:
First time cultivator want to start off by saying I am taking all advice already present in the forums, thus I have decided to trust the experienced growers as you should! and have decided to go for the PF to Monotub method for my first grow, it suits me best and I want to not go all out on PC, I most likely will do this and agar down the line I just want to see if this is the right route. Just wanting to finalise this because the information I want I struggle to find.

Using the trusted vendors it's still hassle to order the LC or spore syringes to my area (I can get it but its double the cost of the spore syringe) as I have a budget but am also very eager after consuming all the information I have lately I just want to get stuck in I have the necessary range of materials expected for delivery.

I want to know if I buy 2 10ml spore syringes to inoculate my spawn in 20 250ml jars ready to fruit them in the mono is this an issue rather than using LC or making the spore syringe solution myself? both syringes will be the same sub-strain and both will be from the same trusted vendor.

All replies are appreciated thank you
go easy on me I'mma trying man


In my initial experiences, I utilized spore syringes from a reputable vendor to inoculate my spawn. However, as many experienced cultivators may advise, transitioning directly from spore syringes to spawn is not recommended. My attempts in this regard were unsuccessful, and I would strongly advise against this method. Utilizing agar may seem daunting, but it is considerably simpler than one might anticipate and is certainly worthwhile for validating genetic strains. While the eagerness to witness the emergence of those first mushrooms is understandable, I assure you that exercising caution and thoroughly validating your strains will yield greater rewards than inadvertently wasting both time and resources. This is a valuable lesson I have learned through my experiences.



Really appreciate the feedback I shall take a bit more time and consider researching agar because I have seen how much it is praised on here for the little extra effort, I just want to follow up by redefining my question is purchasing 2 lots of 10ml syringes to inoculate the spawn unreliable because it's 2 different syringes meaning 2 different batches and the genetics are seeing competition or is it a contam risk? Sorry if I seem clueless its all a lot of information to absorb (especially when learning a second language on the side)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: TheChief365] * 1
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Just to avoid any misunderstanding, by pf tek to monotub, do you by any chance might mean that you are planning to use crumbled cakes as spawn?

I personally wouldn’t do that (even though that was my first, and until recently only, grow ages ago too). I just don’t think the risks actually outweigh the rewards.

Edited by eilauver (02/20/25 04:10 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ReverendMyc]
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First-time cultivator plans to use PF to Monotub method for their first grow, purchasing two 10ml spore syringes from a trusted vendor to inoculate 20 250ml jars. They are unsure if this approach is advisable instead of using liquid culture (LC) or making their own spore syringe solution. Experienced growers advise against sending spores directly to grains and recommend using agar instead, despite its perceived difficulty. Spore syringes are suitable for PF Tek, and the same vendor's syringes can be used for both syringes.

ReverendMyc said:
Arkyhog said:
TheChief365 said:
First time cultivator want to start off by saying I am taking all advice already present in the forums, thus I have decided to trust the experienced growers as you should! and have decided to go for the PF to Monotub method for my first grow, it suits me best and I want to not go all out on PC, I most likely will do this and agar down the line I just want to see if this is the right route. Just wanting to finalise this because the information I want I struggle to find.

Using the trusted vendors it's still hassle to order the LC or spore syringes to my area (I can get it but its double the cost of the spore syringe) as I have a budget but am also very eager after consuming all the information I have lately I just want to get stuck in I have the necessary range of materials expected for delivery.

I want to know if I buy 2 10ml spore syringes to inoculate my spawn in 20 250ml jars ready to fruit them in the mono is this an issue rather than using LC or making the spore syringe solution myself? both syringes will be the same sub-strain and both will be from the same trusted vendor.

All replies are appreciated thank you
go easy on me I'mma trying man


In my initial experiences, I utilized spore syringes from a reputable vendor to inoculate my spawn. However, as many experienced cultivators may advise, transitioning directly from spore syringes to spawn is not recommended. My attempts in this regard were unsuccessful, and I would strongly advise against this method. Utilizing agar may seem daunting, but it is considerably simpler than one might anticipate and is certainly worthwhile for validating genetic strains. While the eagerness to witness the emergence of those first mushrooms is understandable, I assure you that exercising caution and thoroughly validating your strains will yield greater rewards than inadvertently wasting both time and resources. This is a valuable lesson I have learned through my experiences.


Spore syringes are fine for PF Tek. I see that TheChief365 did say spores to spawn at one point, but I am assuming that they meant pf spawn rather than grains.

If not, Arkyhog is right, don't send spores directly to grains, do the agar work. But spores to pf tek is fine.

@Phaethon Jinx!


ReverendMyc said:
Arkyhog said:
TheChief365 said:
First time cultivator want to start off by saying I am taking all advice already present in the forums, thus I have decided to trust the experienced growers as you should! and have decided to go for the PF to Monotub method for my first grow, it suits me best and I want to not go all out on PC, I most likely will do this and agar down the line I just want to see if this is the right route. Just wanting to finalise this because the information I want I struggle to find.

Using the trusted vendors it's still hassle to order the LC or spore syringes to my area (I can get it but its double the cost of the spore syringe) as I have a budget but am also very eager after consuming all the information I have lately I just want to get stuck in I have the necessary range of materials expected for delivery.

I want to know if I buy 2 10ml spore syringes to inoculate my spawn in 20 250ml jars ready to fruit them in the mono is this an issue rather than using LC or making the spore syringe solution myself? both syringes will be the same sub-strain and both will be from the same trusted vendor.

All replies are appreciated thank you
go easy on me I'mma trying man


In my initial experiences, I utilized spore syringes from a reputable vendor to inoculate my spawn. However, as many experienced cultivators may advise, transitioning directly from spore syringes to spawn is not recommended. My attempts in this regard were unsuccessful, and I would strongly advise against this method. Utilizing agar may seem daunting, but it is considerably simpler than one might anticipate and is certainly worthwhile for validating genetic strains. While the eagerness to witness the emergence of those first mushrooms is understandable, I assure you that exercising caution and thoroughly validating your strains will yield greater rewards than inadvertently wasting both time and resources. This is a valuable lesson I have learned through my experiences.


Spore syringes are fine for PF Tek. I see that TheChief365 did say spores to spawn at one point, but I am assuming that they meant pf spawn rather than grains.

If not, Arkyhog is right, don't send spores directly to grains, do the agar work. But spores to pf tek is fine.

@Phaethon Jinx!



Thanks for the quick replies both Arkyhog and to you Reverand and yes thats correct I did mean to say spores to PF Cakes using BRF and Verm i did redefine my question to arkyhog but i hope i'm not confusing anybody just worried about doing 2 different 10ml syringes in two loads accounting 20 half pint jars in my head the syringes even though they are the same and from the same vendor I am not mixing two completel different substrains I'm worried about wastage and I know thats exactly what this is about, trial and error

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: eilauver]
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eilauver said:
Just to avoid any misunderstanding, by pf tek to monotub, do you by any chance might mean that you are planning to use crumbled cakes as spawn?

I personally wouldn’t do that (even though that was my first, and until recently only, grow ages ago too). I just don’t think the benefits actually outweigh the rewards.



I was under the impression it was still a successful method even with the extra steps and risk of contam with the crumbling of the cakes, somebody made the point about explaining that its extra unnecessary steps, I just heard it was more noob friendly for first grow I thought I'd start there, am I best just PF cakes directly inside the fruiting tub then instead for my first grow, agar and PC with grains will come later down the line for me

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: TheChief365]
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TheChief365 said:
eilauver said:
Just to avoid any misunderstanding, by pf tek to monotub, do you by any chance might mean that you are planning to use crumbled cakes as spawn?

I personally wouldn’t do that (even though that was my first, and until recently only, grow ages ago too). I just don’t think the benefits actually outweigh the rewards.



I was under the impression it was still a successful method even with the extra steps and risk of contam with the crumbling of the cakes, somebody made the point about explaining that its extra unnecessary steps, I just heard it was more noob friendly for first grow I thought I'd start there, am I best just PF cakes directly inside the fruiting tub then instead for my first grow, agar and PC with grains will come later down the line for me


I sincerely apologize for not beginning with a warm welcome to the Shroomery and the commencement of your journey. You are in excellent hands on this platform, as the wealth of knowledge possessed by the experienced growers here, coupled with their welcoming attitude towards newcomers eager to learn about this hobby, is unparalleled by any other resource. One suggestion I can offer as you embark on this journey is to consider using Google to search for specific topics, adding the word "Shroomery" at the end of your search query, as this may simplify your access to the vast amount of information available on the site. I recommend beginning by leaving the cakes intact and within the fruiting tub. This approach provides valuable insights into the growth process, as it allows for observation without the obstruction of being compressed by substrate. Additionally, it facilitates easier adjustments as the growth progresses. We kindly encourage you to share pictures along with your inquiries as your journey continues. As previously mentioned, this group has faced a variety of scenarios and can provide more accurate assistance with the aid of visual references.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: TheChief365] * 3
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Welcome friend!
To put things simply, increased risks are never a positive, especially if you are new to the hobby.Coming from a member who failed for 2 years straight, cutting corners usually ends in frustration.

That being said, I agree that you should stick to the pf tek with fruiting chamber. Learn the basics, get your technique honed. Then you can look into legit spawn and more advanced cultivation techniques and species diversity will shortly follow.

Cheers, best of luck, can't wait to see fruits!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Arkyhog]
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Just to add to Arky's advice above: there is also the forum's built-in search that can be tweaked to narrow down your search results by forum, year etc. See Bod's search tek here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24270830#24270830

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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Guys, can you give me your thoughts about these 2 plates? I'm not sure if I'm looking at mycelium here or some kind of contaminant. I know the picture of the second one is not ideal, also because of the humidity inside, but let's try.





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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nerex]
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From what I can see it looks like mycelium


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nerex]
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Nerex said:
Guys, can you give me your thoughts about these 2 plates? I'm not sure if I'm looking at mycelium here or some kind of contaminant. I know the picture of the second one is not ideal, also because of the humidity inside, but let's try.






Looks like a couple of plates with spore print scrapped onto them that definitely have some mycelium sections you could transfer to new plates.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Arkyhog]
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I know what the difference between Albino and Leucistic are, but what makes something leucistic?  Is there some criteria that separates a true leucistic from a lighter than average pheno, or are they the same thing?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Arkyhog]
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Really appreciate this reply @Arkyhog and I will definitely take the advice given, I look forward to getting started good and proper and sharing pictures of my journey, I definitely agree theres no better place to learn that from the experienced growers here on the Shroomery, without it you never know I may have wasted so much time and resource on trying out UB method and possible went in circles thanks again mate

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