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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Icon] * 3
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I'm eager to see if the Doge works though. I don't want services downsized, but we gotta face the music eventually. If this administration can't reverse the debt trajectory, no one can. And if the country can't balance itself, it'd only be a matter of time before it crashes. The thought of that gets me more anxious than anything. Zero services and simultaneous civil unrest. I can't imagine the ripple effect on a global level if the dollar crashed. Apparently there's some truth to being too big to fail, but man are we out on a limb.


 
  Since 1913 republicans have consistently added more to the debt that their political opposition . For  over 100 years now they have done the opposite of what you are hoping for . But ya , lol , this time is going to be different . lol .


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: feevers] * 1
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Without raising taxes, any effort to slim the government is meaningless.  You could delete the federal workforce, replace it with unpaid automatons that never break down or get tired or need sleep, and we would still run the same deficit.  Literally 6.6% of the budget is paying people.  People who then spend money, pay taxes, and in turn, fund the government.  But it makes the stupid retards happy, because they know nothing and are incapable of thought (hence why they are both stupid and retarded).


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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Ice Nine]
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What do you think the actual purpose of DOGE is?


 
      Do you have any idea how offended I would be if I were a billionaire that just wants to help you ?  Here I am , working for the govt I have 6 contracts with ,  for free , exposing fraud and corruption like a boss  And you act like you don't even appreciative it .  Why would I want to steal your money when I have billions of my own ? People with allot of money don't typical want more .


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Edited by Psilynut2 (02/16/25 11:44 AM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: feevers]
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In the short term I think we need to go into fasting mode, yea. Little snips isn't going to do it, we need massive changes.

The wealthy will benefit from the restructuring, but I think it's also true that they're also panicking to keep USA on top. In a world war, much of our manufacturing capability in Asia could be seized or destroyed in weeks. Just losing the semiconductor chip manufacturers would wipe out our tech industry. Even if we avoid war, the pressure of debt will inflate our economy to the point the companies can't afford to operate like they want, especially on the global stage. They could lose everything too, and cry in their mansions, but still. The ripple effect on the consumer level would be... catastrophic. In summary, doge is mutually beneficial. I would have preferred a Bernie-led socialist team doing the work, but either way this needs to be done.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Ice Nine]
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Ice9 said:
Without raising taxes, any effort to slim the government is meaningless.  You could delete the federal workforce, replace it with unpaid automatons that never break down or get tired or need sleep, and we would still run the same deficit.  Literally 6.6% of the budget is paying people.  People who then spend money, pay taxes, and in turn, fund the government.  But it makes the stupid retards happy, because they know nothing and are incapable of thought (hence why they are both stupid and retarded).


Hence the tariffs. The stupid don't think they're getting taxed, but they certainly are.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
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Psilynut2 said:
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What do you think the actual purpose of DOGE is?


 
      Do you have any idea how offended I would be if I were a billionaire that just wants to help you ?  Here I am , working for the govt I have 6 contracts with ,  for free , exposing fraud and corruption like a boss  And you act like you don't even appreciative it .  Why would I want to steal your money when I have billions of my own ? People with allot of money don't typical want more .


They didn't accumulate billions in wealth by not wanting more 🤣


Elon threw a fit when he didn't get his second 50b bonus package from Tesla approved last year. 50b is more than Tesla has ever even generated in profit in its lifetime. And this would've been the second 50b package.

Elon's businesses have received billions in subsidies last I checked, and his position in government is likely to get him more. Idk what you're on about.

Every business Elon has is under investigation because he does nothing to keep his businesses in line.

Your comment makes no sense.

Of course somebody should investigate government waste, but Elon is not the guy 🤣


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Icon]
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The tariffs on Mexico and Canada at a flat 25% across the board are projected to generate 1.3 Trillion over 10 years.  That doesn't even pay for extending Trump's tax cuts.


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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Ice Nine]
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I'm not gonna deny they're padding their pockets at the same time. But if they don't actually figure out the debt, the amount of digits in their accounts would become meaningless in a new way.

Now we could get into the conspiracy that it's all meant to happen this way - to stage Trump, the bankruptcy king, in position during the restructuring. Same as any business. Just repaint, rename, erase its debt, run it again under new ownership.

I'm watching this video currently that speaks to that conspiracy. "Is Trump riding the trojan horse, or is he the trojan horse?"


One thing the video pointed out that I did not realize is the debt is actually much larger than we think. The 36 trillion on paper doesn't account for the 99 trillion deficit they're running on Medicare B, 22 trillion deficit on Medicare D, 77 trillion deficit on Social Security. We're actually over 200 trillion in debt...

Also talking a lot about how banks, which hold most of the gold investments, are planning to re-price gold. Basically de-valuing the dollar's buying power in relation to physical assets.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Ice Nine]
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Wouldn't it make more sense to tax exports rather than imports, if you want to sell produce to Canada, make Canada pay a tax on that produce, rather then charge your citizens a tax on importing

Like exports tax would bring new money into the country, import tax just takes the money from within the country and puts it on top, like a game of jenga


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: gopher]
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Tariffs can actually make sense in many instances.  To protect vital domestic industries is a big one.  They aren't particularly useful increasing governmental tax receipts, because they can weigh on other areas of spending.  The funny thing that makes me chuckle fairly often, in the US, tariffs used to be a democrat thing, in the 80s before Clinton and NAFTA, and republicans were all free trade.  I enjoy the hypocrisy of democrats decrying all tariffs now, and republicans assumption of a progressive, protectionist stance. 

All that said, the way tariffs are being used right now has some fairly high risks of stagnating the US economy.  Add in reducing the federal workforce, persistent inflation, and we run a very real risk of stagflation.  That will be ugly for the whole world if that happens, and will likely tip several countries in recessions and possibly depressions for those countries already in recession.  That is how impactful the US economy is world-wide.


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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
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Psilynut2 said:
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What do you think the actual purpose of DOGE is?


 
      Do you have any idea how offended I would be if I were a billionaire that just wants to help you ?  Here I am , working for the govt I have 6 contracts with ,  for free , exposing fraud and corruption like a boss  And you act like you don't even appreciative it .  Why would I want to steal your money when I have billions of my own ? People with allot of money don't typical want more .


This post is satire, right? Imagine thinking the richest people in the world are anything but greedy exploiters of the working class. 'Ethical billionaire' is an oxymoron.


"if I were a billionaire that just wants to help you"
Big if. You don't become a billionaire through selfless altruism.


"People with allot of money don't typical want more"
If that were true, they wouldn't be billionaires - they would have stopped at one million, or one hundred million, or one billion.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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self - less altruism.


To the very best of my interpretation, some philosophies would equate sense of self with god consciousness.

I mean, technically, someone selfless would have poor executive function.

You have outsourced the dirty work of warfighting, policing, and legislating and don't organize to provide for your elemental living needs, in-person.

There used to be a bare minimum level of responsibility, required of anyone who was eligible to participate in the political process.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: durian_2008]
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Someone selfless would be great as a leader.
You lack comprehension skills so you can’t comprehend that.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
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Selfless?  "Not a complete asshole" would already be great these days!

Edited by H3inz (02/16/25 02:33 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: durian_2008] * 1
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durian_2008 said:
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self - less altruism.


To the very best of my interpretation, some philosophies would equate sense of self with god consciousness.


What philosophies are you referring to? In this instance, selfless means 'the opposite of selfish'.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Any real world examples of heads of government that embodies altruism? 

How much of the population within all segments resembles altruism? The vast majority are self interested; any good stuff comes after one needs are satisfied.I will admit that I am, and I think most people are as well.


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot]
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"Needs are satisfied" sounds hilarious af coming from an american
Your needs were satisfied by being born here. What else do you need or want in anyones attempt to be altruistic than that?
Everything else you are speeking of is greedy capitalism.
Anybody with intelligence (5-10% of pop) understands the whole is greater then the individual.
Yes 95% of people are selfish ignorant fools willing to die for nothing so will be swayed by anything


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hmm...

"I'm naked and fearless... And my fear is naked."

"life isn't worth living without the threat of death"

"I got my plans in a ziploc bag, let's see how unproductive we can be"

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ashfiken]
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The US holds individual rights paramount. Greedy capitalism has benefits. That post you just typed, what was the brand name of your device? Your internet provider?  I bet you are paying some rich shareholder, CEO, indirectly. Thats not a pipedream

People can post whatever the fuck about pie in the sky shit. I guess it makes them feel better and puts them in a state of denial about their own "greedy" lives.

I embrace it.


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

Edited by SirTripAlot (02/16/25 03:39 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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GenesisCorrupted said:
Someone selfless would be great as a leader.
You lack comprehension skills so you can’t comprehend that.


Can this selfless person be anonymous? Does (s)he have any nameable traits, or is it like a potato head doll without any of the accessories?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
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SirTripAlot said:
Any real world examples of heads of government that embodies altruism?


Where did I make this claim? I'm an anarchist, ofc I don't believe the structure of the state is conducive to altruism. My post was in response to tng claim that billionaires 'just want to help you' and 'don't want more money'.

On the personal level though, I'm well experienced with altruism both in myself and those I choose to surround myself with. It's easy to say that the "vast majority are self interested", but I think that's just a cope to justify and excuse your own admitted tendency.

Humans are neither selfish nor selfless by some unavoidable nature. It's a choice that everyone makes.


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