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OfflineNorthernsoul
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*Philosophy* Can we control our urge to Control?
    #2900331 - 07/17/04 06:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

As human beings, we are driven to make sense of everything, this is built in us to help us survive.
Basicly, we think that the more we catagorise, seperate into subjects, "improve" and make sense of things, the more control we have, and the safer we will be. This in turn, should help us live longer, and thrive as a speices

But DO we actualy have MORE control the more we do this? Do we actualy improve anything at all?

We have "improved" our earth. The rivers, the forests, the oceans, our food supply, we have "improved" our surroundings SO MUCH, that we arent even sure that we are even going to survive as a race. Some of us are pretty sure, that our way of wanting to control everything, will cause us to wipe ourselves out!

All of us, including myself, cannot accept things for what they are, and how they are. This will eventualy be the death of us (As a race).

Less control is more.


(Please include your thaughts and opinions, or even include your own little spin on this thaught, or just disagree with it whatsoever! Just make sure you have something interesting to say)


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Re: *Philosophy* Can we control our urge to Control? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2900365 - 07/17/04 06:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I find that the more I try to control things, the more stuff goes wrong. So I try to just go with the flow. That's probably why I've never had a bad trip.


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Re: *Philosophy* Can we control our urge to Control? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2900384 - 07/17/04 06:38 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I find that the more I try to control things, the more stuff goes wrong.

I find that steering and braking my car works better than just letting it go.


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Re: *Philosophy* Can we control our urge to Control? [Re: Swami]
    #2900399 - 07/17/04 06:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Obviously there are extremes in both cases. I choose the middle way.


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Re: *Philosophy* Can we control our urge to Control? [Re: Swami]
    #2900407 - 07/17/04 06:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Haha...

Well, driving a car I guess is controling control, first we build a car so we can go somewhere faster, then we want to move it properly so that we dont die....but then people still die anyways, even with all the controls, switches and automatic everythings!


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Re: *Philosophy* Can we control our urge to Control? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2900410 - 07/17/04 06:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, the middle way.

At least someone knows what the underlying insinuation of this thread is:)
Very good!


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Re: *Philosophy* Can we control our urge to Control? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2900417 - 07/17/04 06:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

wait let me get this straight..

We should all live really balanced lives?

HOLY FUCK

never thought of that before  :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


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Re: *Philosophy* Can we control our urge to Control? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2900493 - 07/17/04 07:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

This is not how all people are, only misguided ones.


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Re: *Philosophy* Can we control our urge to Control? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2900529 - 07/17/04 07:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

it's all about going with the flow IMHO.

look at it this way, nature had already provided us with everything we needed, but we wanted more. Civilization prides itself on being able to "conquer" or "control" nature.

air conditioning allows us to control what temp we want to feel, but those spew out harmful checmicals into the atmosphere, and we tend to be kept inside our houses more.

cars allow us for easier transportation, but we had to litter the earth by building concrete over it, thus eliminating the usefulness of that land, not to mention sending many creatures away from their homes. cars pollute in many ways, including providing lots of noise so that one may never know what true silence could sound like. along with the roads we have street lights that blind us from the beautiful show the stars are giving every night. the crickets don't chirp as loudly (at least where I am at) the frogs all but driven away. not to mention we dont' exercise enough because we are driving around everywhere.

with our homes, we stay in one spot now, instead of moving around, we don't see the rest of the world, and that the rest of the poeple in it, as we should do.


for comfort, for control, we changed a beautiful world full of wonder, into a bland, concrete, mundane one.

if we go with the flow, instead of trying to conquer, we wouldn't have sacrificed as much.


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Re: *Philosophy* Can we control our urge to Control? [Re: kaiowas]
    #2900537 - 07/17/04 08:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

At least we can take comfort in knowing that eventually nature will prevail.


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Re: *Philosophy* Can we control our urge to Control? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2900610 - 07/17/04 08:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

We have "improved" our earth.

I don't know which Earth you're looking at...but it can't be this one :wink:

We have "improved" the general living conditions of a large portion of the human species...at the expense of the Earth and other species around us. A mass-extinction event started just as humans became a dominant species and continues to this day.


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Re: *Philosophy* Can we control our urge to Control? [Re: kaiowas]
    #2900707 - 07/17/04 09:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

with our homes, we stay in one spot now, instead of moving around, we don't see the rest of the world

You mean unlike the world-wandering peasants of a thousand years ago? *scratches head*


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Re: *Philosophy* Can we control our urge to Control? [Re: trendal]
    #2900713 - 07/17/04 09:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know which Earth you're looking at...but it can't be this one

Yeah, well who raked the leaves, mowed the lawns and trimmed the hedges before man arrived?


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Re: *Philosophy* Can we control our urge to Control? [Re: Swami]
    #2903031 - 07/18/04 06:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
with our homes, we stay in one spot now, instead of moving around, we don't see the rest of the world

You mean unlike the world-wandering peasants of a thousand years ago? *scratches head*




I think he means as opposed to valuing what he have by working for it, by going through greater means to obtain it.
You can just imagine the peasant thinking to himself: "Boy, I would be so much happier if I could just sit around in an air conditioned apartment, watching an electric box and never have to go anywhere or do anything to sustain life, THAT would make me happy"

So now that we have gotten that far, people STILL arent happy, theyre still complaining about something, and STILL we think that if only we had EVEN MORE, we can be happy forever!!

We just never learn, that going down that road is not the answer. Having all this will not make you happy.

Its like seing people in Africa, or in Russia where they have some stuff, but not what we have.
I saw one man say: "If our family didnt have to beg for food, prostite our daughters, and could express ourselves freely, had a fridge, had school books and a balanced diet, and if my son could have more than one pair of clothes, we would be so much happier"

Now....my point is WE , here in America, have ALL of this. Is having all of these things making us happier? No. Millions are still depressed and millions more arent very happy with thier life. And for us, we think that if only our bills werent so high, if we had a ferarri, a million dollars, fame and fortune....a huge house, all we can eat chocolate and free groceries forever, that we would be happier.....Ask any rich person, they feel the same as us!! We even start getting unhappy about the way we look, the way we are inside, hate ourselves!

So the question is, what makes us so unhappy!?!?!?

When will we realise that THIS is not the way?




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Re: *Philosophy* Can we control our urge to Control? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2903053 - 07/18/04 06:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

We just never learn, that going down that road is not the answer. Having all this will not make you happy.

Do you really want to take the "Swami Comfort Challenge"?

1. Come to Las Vegas and camp in the scorching desert, drinking mud water and living on cactus and snakes for a week.

2. Then stay at my air-conditioned house with the computer, fully-stocked refridgerator, cable TV and hot and cold running water.

If the second part doesn't make you "happier", I will pay $10,000 to your $5,000. For the final test there will be a polygraph to make sure that you are being honest.


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Re: *Philosophy* Can we control our urge to Control? [Re: Swami]
    #2903131 - 07/18/04 07:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
For the final test there will be a polygraph to make sure that you are being honest.




The all-knowing (and all-doubting) Swami trusts a polygraph test......... kinda makes ya wonder, huh?

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Re: *Philosophy* Can we control our urge to Control? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2904446 - 07/19/04 04:25 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Mixomatosis said:
wait let me get this straight..

We should all live really balanced lives?

HOLY FUCK

never thought of that before  :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


AWESOME POST!!!

VERY INSIGHTFULL!! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:



positive energy all around!!


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:




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Quote:

Swami said:
We just never learn, that going down that road is not the answer. Having all this will not make you happy.

Do you really want to take the "Swami Comfort Challenge"?

1. Come to Las Vegas and camp in the scorching desert, drinking mud water and living on cactus and snakes for a week.

2. Then stay at my air-conditioned house with the computer, fully-stocked refridgerator, cable TV and hot and cold running water.

If the second part doesn't make you "happier", I will pay $10,000 to your $5,000. For the final test there will be a polygraph to make sure that you are being honest.




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Re: *Philosophy* Can we control our urge to Control? [Re: Swami]
    #2909350 - 07/20/04 06:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
We just never learn, that going down that road is not the answer. Having all this will not make you happy.

Do you really want to take the "Swami Comfort Challenge"?

1. Come to Las Vegas and camp in the scorching desert, drinking mud water and living on cactus and snakes for a week.

2. Then stay at my air-conditioned house with the computer, fully-stocked refridgerator, cable TV and hot and cold running water.

If the second part doesn't make you "happier", I will pay $10,000 to your $5,000. For the final test there will be a polygraph to make sure that you are being honest.





I think most people would agree that they would never leave any of thier creature comforts for a place out in the middle of nowhere. Why would we?

This just proves my point even more, we WILL not give up what we have, even though we're still not truely happy with it, and always want more. So, we are SCREWED. We wont be happy going back to nothing, and lots of people arent happy with everything. Some people are happy, you'll find them leading the most simplist lives.

I think if you went to the desert for a week, when you get back, you would be alot happier with what you have! But only for a few days....like when you go camping for a week and come back home to hot water and air conditioning. You have to admit though, those who deprive themselves of everything by going camping, do it because it makes you relaxed, even though it means you have to do more to live, and without any hot water or starbucks around the block:) Strange hey?


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Re: *Philosophy* Can we control our urge to Control? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2909382 - 07/20/04 06:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I think most people would agree that they would never leave any of thier creature comforts for a place out in the middle of nowhere. Why would we?
They wouldn't because it would make them less happy.

This just proves my point even more, we WILL not give up what we have, even though we're still not truely happy with it
I don't know what "truly happy" means, but I do know degrees of comparison. If most everyone would choose modern comforts (including you!); they would do so because it makes them happier - which actually destroys your basic premise.


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Re: *Philosophy* Can we control our urge to Control? [Re: Swami]
    #2909453 - 07/20/04 07:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, now im going into something else, so back to control...

No matter what way you look at it, if we want what we have or not, it's not going to serve us any good in the long run, and theres almost no way to avoid that, and trying to just makes it even worse.
I understand that you know that theres nothing we can do, so why complain? ...I just like getting it out there, so we can get some different opinions, and yours was pretty refreshing. It (your replies) expressly articulated how us average joes are, which is what made me ask the type of question of where it will lead us in the first place.

Ah, the endless questions one can have hey? Its neverending:)


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