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Re: The Slug of Philosophy.... [Re: TheHateCamel]
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What makes your question the real question?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Slug of Philosophy.... [Re: Icelander]
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The real question is how often we clean our bathrooms. Slugs are good creatures, BUT if you are over run with them you might have cleanliness issues.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: The Slug of Philosophy.... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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He only said one slug.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Slug of Philosophy.... [Re: Icelander]
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He should have had 50,000. Then he would have needed to request a salt truck.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: The Slug of Philosophy.... [Re: leery11]
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leery11 said:
not even close, the fact that you had the freedom to deliberate your actions means that you are above being bound by instinct.


That is hilarious! So, according to this... Because i have the capacity for philisophical/abstract thought and can create/understand things like ethics and morals, once i create/understand them, I am evil for not following these concepts?

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If you want to know about karma, aniamls are bound by ignorance and are slaves to their drives..... cats in this case can have "malicious" drives. Humans however have an "ego" which lets them mediate any destructive tendencies they have.


my above statement applies to this also.
Good and bad are learned. Destruction is a part of the cycle of existence. I am as much a product and a part of nature and this universe as the cat is and anything that I do, just IS.
If your cat pisses on your couch, you tell it that it is a bad cat, and after rubbing its nose in it, or reprimanding it however, you can condition it to "feel bad" if it "gets caught" doing it. Exactly like humans.

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The only reason you felt like salting the slug is because of social conditioning, there is nothing instinctual at all about creative murder...... to cater to your animal whims is to say "fine, I don't have free will, I'm going to let circumstances beyond my control dictate the way I live the rest of my life."


actually, the only thing that caused me to pause from salting the slug was social conditioning.
Wouldnt giving in to your socially conditioned responses be just as ridiculous as giving into your animalistic whims?
In fact! I would rather act upon an internally dictated behaviour, than an externally dictated behaviour such as social conditioning.

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Karma doesn't define anything, karma is just cause and effect. Being a stingy rich miser will probably lead to you being dependent upon the charity of others, but starving all the same because they don't give a fuck about you.


What exactly is the difference between this "alternate spiritualist" rhetoric and the fundamental christian rhetoric?
One says...you better do GOOD according to MY judgement of what is good, or some great force will exact revenge upon you.


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Being one of those assholes that likes to pick fights with people at bars might lead to you being beaten into a coma by a martial arts expert that hates those types of people that pick fights with others for no due reason.


That isnt karma, that is vigilantism. If karma were such an OBVIOUS force and so highly present then why did you need to use the word "Might" in your above statement?

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You chose to end a life. Don't think the slug is any less special than you, this is an error of judgement committed by all those who chose to end life, human or animal or insect likewise.. Imagine what it is like to be existing then to all of a sudden be put through an agonizing death, for no good fucking reason! What you should have contemplated was not how YOU fit in to this salting scenario, but also how the SLUG fits in.

The next time you're high or tripping I suggest you reflect upon the miseries of animal existence.... a little patience and compassion can go a long way.


So, if i hadnt killed the slug, yet a cat pawed and pawed at the slug for hours until its excruciating misery (on an invertebrae?) was ended, that would be a justified death?
Just because death doesnt come like april showers while you are fast asleep doesnt make it any more good or bad. Death just IS. As a member of this universe/existence anything that I do, IS a product/part of this universe/existence.

Maybe the next time you are tripping or high, you can ponder exactly what good and bad are, and how imaginary they are. While they are needed for the progression of society, atleast keep in mind that they are purely conditioned responses. Me killing a slug in my bathroom was not crucial nor detrimental to my role in human society, so i removed my personal judgement and acted.

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Re: The Slug of Philosophy.... [Re: SneezingPenis]
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"So, if i hadnt killed the slug, yet a cat pawed and pawed at the slug for hours"

Why don't you pour salt on the cat? 50 Lbs. should do it.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: The Slug of Philosophy.... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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What's with all this attraction to salt Hue? lol You're in a nutty mood tonight.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Slug of Philosophy.... [Re: Icelander]
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Forum11&Number=4886278&page=2&fpart=6


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: The Slug of Philosophy.... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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It won't show me that post.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Slug of Philosophy.... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
"So, if i hadnt killed the slug, yet a cat pawed and pawed at the slug for hours"

Why don't you pour salt on the cat? 50 Lbs. should do it.


Because they dont shrivel up as cool as a slug, as well as cats are more entertaining alive than they are dead IMO. That is one trait I cant apply to a slug.

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Re: The Slug of Philosophy.... [Re: Icelander]
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That sucks. Salvia rocks


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: The Slug of Philosophy.... [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Try an check out a slug when you're trippin real hard and maybe then you will see the entertainment value in them.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Slug of Philosophy.... [Re: Icelander]
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I like slugs. But religion is bullshit. Linoleum sandwiches are where it is at. I got to go to bed.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: The Slug of Philosophy.... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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ever seen a slug.... ON WEED!

in my experience all things increase as entertainment value at the same constant while tripping.
So while, yes, a live slug would be fascinating while tripping, pouring salt on a slug would be all consuming and incomprehensibly amazing.

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Re: The Slug of Philosophy.... [Re: SneezingPenis]
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It would. But I wouldn't want the fallout. That's not my path at this time.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Slug of Philosophy.... [Re: Icelander]
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It would. But I wouldn't want the fallout. That's not my path at this time.

Speaking of paths (roads, sidewalks, etc.) be careful where you bike, drive or walk.  It's not only slugs that are underfoot (and undertire). 

Here's another one.  Digging in the garden.  Worms may not like it even though we really didn't mean to cut them in two.  Still, if you do it cleanly, won't both halves live?  :smirk:


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Anxiety is what you make it.

Edited by LunarEclipse (11/14/05 07:46 AM)

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Re: The Slug of Philosophy.... [Re: LunarEclipse]
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The fallout is personal and has nothing to do with the slug itself. So I may bike in peace, as I do not see the slug.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Slug of Philosophy.... [Re: Icelander]
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There's a Banana Slug in my Cleat!
by Rick Floyd and Carla Ellis
We're in the Pacific Northwest for a year. This is giving us the opportunity to try new roads and trails. One of the trails starts about a quarter mile from our house. It has some, umm... characteristics that haven't appeared in trails we've ridden in North Carolina.[29KB JPG]

For example, there's the issue of on-bike sustenance. There's no need to carry gooey Power Bars or liquids. On the way out we can grab a few handfuls of blueberries from the bushes next to the house, and blackberries are available at several points along the trail. The blackberries are as much a trail hazard as a benefit, though. Some of the canes are up to 25 feet long, are covered with an impressive array of thorns, and lie in wait along the side of the trail for careless bikers. Also lying in wait (or so we imagine, riding at night) are the family of coyotes we can hear howling in the distance.

The trail runs through a spectacular cedar forest, with trees that would take three or four Tarwheelers to reach around. This, again, has both benefits and drawbacks. The forest is spectacular, and the large trees mean that the there is little underbrush to interfere with riding. On the other hand, you have to get used to loggers speculating on how many board feet there are in a tree. The counterpart to Cary-like growth in rural areas here is the seemingly inevitable logging. This area is scheduled for logging soon, so we're going to enjoy it while we can.

Cedars grow well in damp conditions, so they're the perfect tree for the Pacific NorthWet. Even in the driest conditions, the trail is at least a bit damp. That leads to two other complications. The first is the peat bogs forming down by the salmon stream at the far end of the trail. They take the concept of mud riding to new heights (or, rather, lows). The second is, well, the slugs. No one does slugs like the PNW does slugs. The slugs here, banana slugs, can be up to half a foot in length, and look like Chiquita Juniors (tm) left out for far too long. That leads us to the complication. Clipping in once you've inadvertently stepped on one of these things is an exercise in futility. The end of the last ride had Rick at the bottom of the biggest hill on the trail yelling "I can't clip in! I've got a banana slug in my cleat!" to the sound of derisive laughter from up the hill and further down the trail.[35KB JPG]

Back to other Tarwheels

Well, now. That was a cheery little story. Except for the poor slugs. Banana slugs in particular deserve better. They look good and have pretty colors and after all were just hanging out (sliming out?) in the woods where they belong.

Then some assholes on mountain bikes come barreling over them. Yeesh.


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Anxiety is what you make it.

Edited by LunarEclipse (11/14/05 09:34 AM)

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