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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: EniQma]
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27201428

Stipe specifically mentions it here, where possible try to never mix the buckets you use for coir and grain.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: EniQma]
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EniQma said:
polyflakes said:
EniQma said:
polyflakes said:
So I had read a post were they advised someone not to prep coir in the same bucket you use to soak seed/grain as you will end up with nutrients in to and it will contam. Can anyone confirm this and/or explain why washing it wouldn't fix the issue ?


Soap and water is all you need.



Have you successfully used the same bucket for soaking grains and prepping coir?


Not soaking but storing dry oats



Not quite the same but thanks for the reply.  I may have to put this to the test for my own peace of mind lol just hard for me to think that a good wash a throughly wiping down with alcohol wouldn't clean it up enough đŸ€”


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: polyflakes] * 3
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I have like 7 buckets and each one has its own material and NOTHING else goes in them.

Yes, washing a bucket properly and switching its place in the workflow can be safe. Am I personally going to do it? No. Id replace a bucket before I did that.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 3
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Some of you folks need a good kick in the ass from an unknown vector or enmeshed mold to really understand why we suggest what we do.

Give ole rumfor or fiddle_head a call and ask them, I'm sure even smelly had this happen a while back.

Spending months and countless $ spawning 'clean spawn and wam, failure.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
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Smellyhobbit said:
I have like 7 buckets and each one has its own material and NOTHING else goes in them.

Yes, washing a bucket properly and switching its place in the workflow can be safe. Am I personally going to do it? No. Id replace a bucket before I did that.


Thank you nice to have TC input on the matter. And yeah just adds vectors for contams to enter the mix. Wanting to be lazy and not make another trip to home depot but that has to be the number one reason for failure.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: DERRAYLD] * 3
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I just don’t know what animal doesn’t have a stock pot for grain. Not to mention stews, soups and stocks. My grain has never seen a bucket.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: polyflakes] * 1
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Back when I was starting out I mixed containers, now everything is completely separated for a damn good reason.

You can mix containers if you wish, everyone learns in time.


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Smellyhobbit said:
"Wiping a needle with isopropyl after flame sterilization is like shitting after you wipe your ass."

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Wall.E]
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Wall.E said:
I just don’t know what animal doesn’t have a stock pot for grain. Not to mention stews, soups and stocks. My grain has never seen a bucket.


:cookiemonster:


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Smellyhobbit said:
"Wiping a needle with isopropyl after flame sterilization is like shitting after you wipe your ass."

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Wall.E]
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Ha, yeah. Pots only for me on grain prep side. Bucket is purely for bucket Tek here.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: QuantumZ00]
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I wash my oats with dish soap in the same stainless steel bowls that I prep my coir in, are you guys suggesting that the plastic absorbs nutrients?
I have two massive ones I use as catch alls for everything in the kitchen including dishes I’m cleaning.


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Edited by EniQma (10/24/24 10:55 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: EniQma]
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EniQma said:
I wash my oats with dish soap in the same stainless steel bowls that I prep my coir in, are you guys suggesting that the plastic absorbs nutrients?


There are small nutrient gremlins inside oats that crave the corporeal form of coir and haunt your buckets waiting for an opportunity


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: EniQma]
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I can't suggest anything like that because this was the first time I've ever heard not to mix buckets. I didn't realize that was a significant vector for contam. It's just a happy coincidence I don't use the same container bucket.

Smellyhobbit said:
There are small nutrient gremlins inside oats that crave the corporeal form of coir and haunt your buckets waiting for an opportunity


I thought the nutrient gremlins were burned alive when you poured boiling water onto your coir to pasteurize it?


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Edited by QuantumZ00 (10/24/24 10:57 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: QuantumZ00] * 1
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QuantumZ00 said:
I can't suggest anything like that because this was the first time I've ever heard not to mix buckets. I didn't realize that was a significant vector for contam. It's just a happy coincidence I don't use the same container bucket.

Smellyhobbit said:
There are small nutrient gremlins inside oats that crave the corporeal form of coir and haunt your buckets waiting for an opportunity


I thought the nutrient gremlins were burned alive when you poured boiling water onto your coir to pasteurize it?


That isn’t pasteurization. It just speeds up absorption. Coir doesn’t need pasteurized. That isn’t to say that boiling water isn’t setting back contams some


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Edited by EniQma (10/24/24 11:02 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: EniQma]
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Very informative back and forth. Thanks everyone for your input 👍


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: EniQma]
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What about the pot you use to boil water for bucket tek coir?  Do you have a dedicated pot you only boil water in for coir?  I had one but used it to cook when I took a break.  Wondering if I should go get another pot for water only.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: EniQma]
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Is this normal? The mushrooms that are maturing are still so small, yet their veil's are starting to open up? And this is happening on more than just this tub.



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: QuantumZ00] * 2
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QuantumZ00 said:
I can't suggest anything like that because this was the first time I've ever heard not to mix buckets. I didn't realize that was a significant vector for contam. It's just a happy coincidence I don't use the same container bucket.

Smellyhobbit said:
There are small nutrient gremlins inside oats that crave the corporeal form of coir and haunt your buckets waiting for an opportunity


I thought the nutrient gremlins were burned alive when you poured boiling water onto your coir to pasteurize it?


No, boiling doesn’t get rid of nutrients. When you pasteurize milk it still has calories. When you boil pasta, there’s still starch left behind in the pot.

We want coir in our coir buckets, not nutritive substrate hanging out in the top of your tub where ambient spores could land and proliferate.

This is really a “getting away with it” situation vs best practice.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: QuantumZ00]
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QuantumZ00 said:
I can't suggest anything like that because this was the first time I've ever heard not to mix buckets. I didn't realize that was a significant vector for contam. It's just a happy coincidence I don't use the same container bucket.

Smellyhobbit said:
There are small nutrient gremlins inside oats that crave the corporeal form of coir and haunt your buckets waiting for an opportunity


I thought the nutrient gremlins were burned alive when you poured boiling water onto your coir to pasteurize it?


Stipe talks about it in this video.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: TheGreatDellion]
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TheGreatDellion said:
What about the pot you use to boil water for bucket tek coir?  Do you have a dedicated pot you only boil water in for coir?  I had one but used it to cook when I took a break.  Wondering if I should go get another pot for water only.


My understanding of endospores is that they’re only hard to kill when they’re dry like inside grain that hasn’t been hydrated fully, I really don’t think that any residuals would survive boiling water very long


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: EniQma] * 1
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EniQma said:
TheGreatDellion said:
What about the pot you use to boil water for bucket tek coir?  Do you have a dedicated pot you only boil water in for coir?  I had one but used it to cook when I took a break.  Wondering if I should go get another pot for water only.


My understanding of endospores is that they’re only hard to kill when they’re dry like inside grain that hasn’t been hydrated fully, I really don’t think that any residuals would survive boiling water very long


Ya ever left grain water out for a few days post boil


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