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utterly Heinous nightmare
    #2895870 - 07/16/04 03:42 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

This morning, I woke up at 11:00 AM, and I had a midterm exam review at noon. I figured I could catch some more Zzz's before I went to class.

In this one hour time period I had one of the most unnerving and realistic dreams of my life.

[start dream]

I find myself in some murderous rampage with my Beretta. I'm a neighborhood with a bunch of Asian people, and for some reason I start shooting at one particular Asian guy. I'm not sure if I have any animosity towards him. Anyways I end up killing him and shoot his girlfriend dead too. Then, there are these kids, must be under 14 years of age, with one young kid driving a red pickup truck away. They are trying to escape. I take my gun and keep shooting at the driver and as they just about manage to escape I shoot the driver in the head. I run to catch up with the pickup and I realize what I have done. I'm considering shooting myself at this point. Then I see the kids, and I'm also considering shooting them but I don't. I do not want any witnesses, and I figure if I'm going to kill myself might as well bring some others down with me. It doesn't matter after you're dead, right? I don't have the heart to do it though.

So I walk away and see this middle aged lady (all the people in my dream were Chinese by the way) and I'm about to shoot her, and she's very frightened, but instead I tell her: tell me about god.

She nervously sits down and says something about god and how he loves me but I say, not good enough. By this time I'm wishing I hadn't killed all those people. I'm thinking about shooting myself again. However, I have immediate thoughts of death, and the actual happenings of a bullet in one's head. I think that if I lodge a bullet in my head, I would become the equivalent of a vegetable. Capable of thinking and desiring, but incapable of expressing my thoughts. It reminds me of what Abe Lincoln may have gone through in his "final hours."

I wish I never woke up that morning.

[end dream]

I wake up at noon and my heart is beating fast. An inexplicable emotional catharsis comes over me. I am so glad that my dream was not reality (although during my dream I was almost certain it was). I decide not to go to class that morning. Please keep in mind that I am also Chinese, and I have no animosity towards my own race.

I believe that this may have been me in a past life, or in some parallel universe or dimension. Only, in that zone, I had the blind courage to commit such a malicious deed for whatever reason. In this world, I am not.

I think I know why I had such a horrible dream. It was because I missed my midterm review class, and the feelings of loss and hopelessness were paralleled and amplified in my dream. Please, share your thoughts.


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Re: utterly Heinous lucid nightmare [Re: daba]
    #2895884 - 07/16/04 03:51 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

damn that's intense
the most interesting part was the old lady
who you asked to tell you about god
did you shoot her? or no?
that probably has some kind of subconcious meaning that i can't figure out at four o clock in the morning


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Re: utterly Heinous lucid nightmare [Re: daba]
    #2896092 - 07/16/04 06:58 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Um where was the lucid part? generally in a lucid dream u have to atleast be aware that your actually dreaming if not actually able to take control of the dream to some degree.


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Re: utterly Heinous lucid nightmare [Re: ZenGecko]
    #2896355 - 07/16/04 10:51 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

When it comes to dreams, I find it's very common for people to confuse lucidity and extreme realism.. ironically, they are polar opposites.


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Re: utterly Heinous nightmare [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #2896641 - 07/16/04 12:52 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe I used the word incorrectly.

I'll edit that.


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Re: utterly Heinous nightmare [Re: daba]
    #2896725 - 07/16/04 01:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Dreams are often just emotional garbage. I've had dreams about killing people before...so what?


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Re: utterly Heinous nightmare [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2898160 - 07/16/04 09:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
Dreams are often just emotional garbage. I've had dreams about killing people before...so what?




So what for you, big deal for me.


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Re: utterly Heinous nightmare [Re: daba]
    #2898232 - 07/16/04 09:57 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Dreams are not just garbage, they have meaning. Daba, you are going to have to think deeply to yourself on what all this symbolism means to your own sub conscious.

I think in this dream, you killing people who are like you was your inner angry self looking to destroy the parts of yourself you are sensitive to. Those hienous images were probably rooted in Rambo or various television scenes of war against Asians that may have burned an impression of sensitivity toward the scene within you. Stories of women and children being unjustly destroyed are swimming in your head because you relate to thier helplessness. Basically, you killing those who you share a kinship with; they are at your mercy. And then when you see the most helpless scene of little girls, you feel horrible. Your rage against the self is portrayed here. Regrets of actions you can't take back.

When the lady told you God loved you, you didn't accept it because the God inside of you isn't always love. In fact, in your world God seems to hate and love at the same time causing regret. What you see is everything not framed with Love and love alone because these malicious, cold blooded, unloving realities exsist within you. People have great desires to snuff out thier own existance within themselves and can be completely unaware of it. The bullets that killed those people really were in your head because you were shooting them at yourself.

I think that's it. Does that help at all?


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Re: utterly Heinous nightmare [Re: MAGnum]
    #2898416 - 07/16/04 11:33 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Its not a big deal, i dream of killing folks all the time. Sometimes i do it when i'm lucid because i know i'm not really hurting anyone, sometimes not.
While fucked up dreams like this sometimes alarm me upon waking, i don't let them bother me because they are just subconcious plays.
They all have some deeper meaning, although trying to interperet them isn't all that easy. Especially trying to interperet dreams which arent your own.

try to practice dream recall. Record your dreams every night. Soon you can develop lucid dreaming techniques. I recomend Lucid Dreaming in 30 days. It has lots of great tecniques, and you really can master your dreams within a matter of weeks.
when your lucid you'll be to busy flying around, banging chicks, and shrooming to wana kill people.


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Re: utterly Heinous nightmare [Re: MAGnum]
    #2898627 - 07/17/04 01:18 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

MAGnum:

Thanks for your input. Although there may be underlying, deep meanings of this dream, I think the majority was rooted in the fact that I missed a very important exam review. The impact was simply aggrandized in the dream.

Considering the television influence you mentioned, I have not watched TV in a year, going on two.

Speaking of God, I am atheist. I do not have any resentment for other's God's or omniscent figures. Nonetheless, the thought of a God is very possible. Perhaps it is an unanswered question in my mind (isn't it in everyones?).

Thanks for your input, I appreciate it.


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Re: utterly Heinous nightmare [Re: daba]
    #2898801 - 07/17/04 02:19 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe internally on the deepest level you struggle with the question of god and or repercussions, on the bottom you feel that god or the universe or whatever you believe has no redemption... and as such you feel no need to keep yourself from doing such a thing. 

maybe this has to do with the fact that your asian family or identifier group places such a pressure on you, that you somehow knew in your dream that you were late... but you didnt care, because you have lost kinship with your family or those that are close... you take the anger out as skipping your class... heh, who knows, very itneresting experience i might say so myself :wink: .


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Re: utterly Heinous nightmare [Re: daba]
    #2898936 - 07/17/04 03:12 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

O.K. your dream was "different". Does that make you feel special? Everyone has B.S. dreams about stupid stuff like this...worry about the big dream...your life, and don't sweat the undecipherable signifigance of the small one.


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Re: utterly Heinous nightmare [Re: daba]
    #2899077 - 07/17/04 04:21 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Modern psychology is based on the analysis of dreams. I do not believe that the likes of Frued and Jung would waste thier lives studying something meaningless.

There IS meaning, but it isn't a meaning that can be spelled out as from a book. The message of dreams is much more subtle than that. The deciphering of dreams requires a good deal of a certain attribute that, over the course of thousands of years of disuse, has nearly become completely vistigual - our intuition. And the intuition that counts most in the deciphering of a dream is the dreamer's.


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Re: utterly Heinous nightmare [Re: Source]
    #2900052 - 07/17/04 05:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Freud and Jung have been basically discredited for years. Their main contributions is that they were pioneers. Freud devloped his ideas abotu the psyche by studying neuroitic upper class house wives.


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Re: utterly Heinous nightmare [Re: daba]
    #2900085 - 07/17/04 05:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Sell your Beretta.

I have known several relatively stable gun-owners who never intended to use them, finding themselves using them, not in a life-crisis situation, but in a moment of emotional angst followed by a lifetime of remorse.


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Re: utterly Heinous nightmare [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2900101 - 07/17/04 05:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It's true, Freud's theories had absolutely no basis in reality. They even came to him in a dream!

If you read up on it, it's complete shit, the lot of it. For example, apparently every child wants to have sex with their opposite-sex parent, and wants to kill their same-sex parent, until this complex is resolved through identifying with their same-sex parent.

It's ludicrous! The worst thing is that psychotherapists are far more numerous today than they were in Freud's day. The rate of remission for schizophrenics given psychotherapy is worse than those not given any therapy at all.

Whether dreams have significance, I don't know, but I DO know that shrinks can't tell you anything useful.


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Re: utterly Heinous nightmare [Re: deafpanda]
    #2900113 - 07/17/04 05:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

If you read up on it, it's complete shit, the lot of it. For example, apparently every child wants to have sex with their opposite-sex parent, and wants to kill their same-sex parent, until this complex is resolved through identifying with their same-sex parent.

Well, I was sent to juvi-hall when my Dad died mysteriously and my mom was quite the looker...


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Re: utterly Heinous nightmare [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2900129 - 07/17/04 05:27 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Freud and Jung have been basically discredited for years. Their main contributions is that they were pioneers.

Freud's real contribution was that of using cocaine as a cure-all for malaise and depression.


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Re: utterly Heinous nightmare [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2900453 - 07/17/04 07:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

To discredit Freud, does not mean to discredit dreams and their actual meaning to the dreamer and their present life.

daba: intense dream :smile: On the one side seems to be some clash of cultures, love (girlfriend), education-pressure (kids shoten, driving trucks :smile:), on the other side god and confidence ('wise woman', suicide).
Interesting mixture, which only you are totally capable of interpreting the right way. Yes, the exam-review could play a major role. But there surely are some minor supporting roles, too.
I love riddling about dreams :laugh:


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Re: utterly Heinous nightmare [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #2900761 - 07/17/04 10:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Dreams can have meanings...they can even be visions...but to discuss them in this fashion to receive an interpretation is ridiculous. When they have meaning it is so utterly subjective as to be indecipherable by all but the dreamer. Often they are just emotional residue. Dreams of violence are quite natural as we all have deep violent tendancies as part of being human.


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