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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Arkyhog]
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Hi everyone. Just getting started with everything.

I used this agar tek recipe:
1 tsp powdered agar
2 tsp potato flakes
1/2 cup water

Just now realized I forgot the drop of honey...

My question is: I ended up with instant potato consistency rather than a more liquid (what would cool to gelatin consistency).

Will this be an issue? Thanks!

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mustache Spinner]
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Jrey16 said:
Can I do a transfer from an agar plate and put it back in the fridge for later use?



Sure you can and you should everytime you send agar 2 grain, keep a backup if it turns out to be a good performance culture.

Mustache Spinner said:
My question is: I ended up with instant potato consistency rather than a more liquid (what would cool to gelatin consistency).

Will this be an issue? Thanks!



You can even thin slice the potato that the mycelium will not turn his face to the dish. Next time do more time in heat to dissolve it and use a french press to filter out the remaining potato flakes

was my first recipe and went back to it cuz it germinates so darn good:
for every 100ml water:
3gr mashed potato flakes
2gr Agar Agar
1gr Corn Syrup
some drops food colouring (optional)

40min PC


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Edited by 999999999 (09/15/24 08:58 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: QuantumZ00]
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Thanks mate, I guess at this stage I'm wondering if I did anything wrong or if it was just the genetics I started with? Impossible to know for sure I guess?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: venetian-cubes]
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venetian-cubes said:
Thanks mate, I guess at this stage I'm wondering if I did anything wrong or if it was just the genetics I started with? Impossible to know for sure I guess?



I don't see anything significantly wrong with your setup...maybe it could use a TINY bit more FAE (those tubs do seal off more air than the 6qt sterilite shoeboxes), but you're within the acceptible range for sure.

I would lean towards genetics being the major thing that you're battling, but since it wasn't verified clean on agar you could have a little bacteria or something else in there fighting with your mycelium.  That being said, I don't see anything that stands out as an issue in the growth.

Do you have any pics of spawn before it was used?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: PBJ710]
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Not sure if this helps


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Edited by venetian-cubes (09/15/24 09:41 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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Correct. It’s more of an ffu. I’ve had great luck with it and feel it’s super easy to work with stuff now. I hated my SAB.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LewDoja] * 2
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LewDoja said:
AspectOfTheCreator said:
Is it obvious when LC is contaminated? Ive never messed with LC before, but I recently poured some in a few freshly sterilized grain jars. It looked super clear and clean and is colonizing the grains well. Im assuming if there was a problem with the LC it would be evident at this point?

I know the official recommendation is to test it but to me it just seems the very act of testing it would open it up to contamination, thus making the test pointless. I got my LC in an agar media bottle




If you're worried about testing on agar FIRST... you can do it LAST.

Since it's already opened for grain inoculations, after the last one put it to agar that way you'll KNOW for sure if at any point (say half way thru) you accidentally contaminated it .

  Or if you really want to get technical.
agar first-->grain jars(×n)-->agar last.

So if the first plate is clean but the last isn't you'll  know it was your technique.

Plus there's the added bonus you get if you succeeded,
CLEAN AGAR PLATES for next time.




Hey thats a great idea. I had already tested the cultures as clean but yea I have no idea if that test may have contaminated them


I will go ahead and inoculate and aspirate the rest into separate syringe for later use (that way if theyre good theyre good and cannot be contaminated before use)


And after all inoculation and aspirating is done I will test again


Long term Im definitely leaning toward agar being a much better solution. LC just seemed appealing when I was starting

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: venetian-cubes]
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Quote:
You can even thin slice the potato that the mycelium will not turn his face to the dish. Next time do more time in heat to dissolve it and use a french press to filter out the remaining potato flakes



So, should I remake or reconstitute what I've made or will it work as is this time?

My thinking was that it seems like too much potato flake, it consumed all the water pretty much straight away (rather than it need cooking longer).

My assumption is that if it's got nutrients and isn't in a liquid state and pressure sterilized there won't be any problem but I'd rather just get it straight from the get-go.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: venetian-cubes]
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venetian-cubes said:
Not sure if this helps



It looks pretty healthy to me...that makes me think the genetics are likely the cause.  Be patient and maintain the surface conditions.  Some genetic pairings are just slower than others. 

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mustache Spinner]
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Based purely off of this comment. You do not need to completely dissolve your potato flakes in your agar.
It colonizes just fine. You do not need to push it through a French press.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mustache Spinner]
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Mustache Spinner said:
Quote:
You can even thin slice the potato that the mycelium will not turn his face to the dish. Next time do more time in heat to dissolve it and use a french press to filter out the remaining potato flakes



So, should I remake or reconstitute what I've made or will it work as is this time?

My thinking was that it seems like too much potato flake, it consumed all the water pretty much straight away (rather than it need cooking longer).

My assumption is that if it's got nutrients and isn't in a liquid state and pressure sterilized there won't be any problem but I'd rather just get it straight from the get-go.



I like boiling potato slices for 30 minutes. Strain the water and measure normally.

I haven't used flakes, but maybe use more water than you need at first and cook the flakes. Press that water out to get the amount you need.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mustache Spinner]
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:whathesaid:

Quote:
Potato infusion can be made by boiling 200 grams (7.1 oz) of sliced (washed but unpeeled) potatoes in ~ 1 litre (0.22 imp gal; 0.26 US gal) distilled water for 30 minutes and then decanting or straining the broth through cheesecloth. Distilled water is added such that the total volume of the suspension is 1 litre (0.22 imp gal; 0.26 US gal). 20 grams (0.71 oz) dextrose and 20 grams (0.71 oz) agar powder is then added and the medium is sterilized by autoclaving at 15 pounds per square inch (100 kPa) for 15 minutes.



- from the Wikipedia article on Potato dextrose agar

It's what I do to make my PDA plates. :smile:

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: PBJ710]
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PBJ710 said:
venetian-cubes said:
Not sure if this helps



It looks pretty healthy to me...that makes me think the genetics are likely the cause.  Be patient and maintain the surface conditions.  Some genetic pairings are just slower than others. 



OK thanks again. My next go I'm going to get a pressure cooker and clean up my culture on agar so hopefully if this doesn't work I'll be better off next time.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: mishro] * 1
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mishro said:
If you're worried about testing on agar FIRST... you can do it LAST.

Since it's already opened for grain inoculations, after the last one put it to agar that way you'll KNOW for sure if at any point (say half way thru) you accidentally contaminated it .

  Or if you really want to get technical.
agar first-->grain jars(×n)-->agar last.

So if the first plate is clean but the last isn't you'll  know it was your technique.

Plus there's the added bonus you get if you succeeded,
CLEAN AGAR PLATES for next time.





And after all inoculation and aspirating is done I will test again


Long term Im definitely leaning toward agar being a much better solution. LC just seemed appealing when I was starting



Reading this  was like a revelation for me. Just letting you know your words are appreciated🙌

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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Thanks very much for the clarification!

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Rufusybin] * 1
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Quote:
mushroom said
And after all inoculation and aspirating is done I will test again

Long term Im definitely leaning toward agar being a much better solution. LC just seemed appealing when I was starting



Agar suspension in distilled h20  i think is the better LONG TERM storage.

Also check out sslc. Lc but with 0.2% agar. Not necessarily for storage but supposedly beats just Lc.

Edited by LewDoja (09/15/24 01:12 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LewDoja]
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I wish I had bundled my questions in the first post.

I now am trying to find out what the minimum cooling time for agar plates sterilized in the PC needs to be before I chuck some spores on there. I have only seen 24 hours but if a handful of hours is acceptable I need to fire that thing up this moment.

Meanwhile, will continue reading some threads...

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mustache Spinner]
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Just wait until you can handle them


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The 7 Edicts of Mushroom Cultivation as Decreed by Smellyhobbit

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Anyone can get a canopy. But can you get what you want?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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How do you guys re-seal sterile swabs?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Cpt.Planet] * 1
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Little blue tape


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