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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: MrJong]
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I’m a big fan of millet. Easy to prep, relatively clean, etc. but I’ve been playing around with oats recently and they’re running circles around the millet in terms of colonization speed.

Anyone else have this experience as well? I don’t like oats for the most part. They’re cheap but dirty as hell and I don’t like the prep and excessive drying time. I feel like I’m always rolling the dice when using oats but in my low temps, they’re cutting weeks off the colonization time compared to millet.

Oats just never seem fully colonized to me. The hulls are always a mix between fully white or partially fuzzy. I’ve been tossing jars recently that look funky and then I open them and they smell fine.

Should I just stop complaining and stick to tried and true millet with slow speed or grow a sack and spawn this questionable looking oat spawn?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers *DELETED* [Re: DERRAYLD]
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Post deleted by Mr Piggy

Reason for deletion: Nichrome has a point.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: riseupandfight] * 3
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riseupandfight said:
DERRAYLD said:
That's a pointless metric when you get down to it.

Grow more and stop worrying about micro changes thinking they will reduce your yield.

It's the new grower mindset, I have 10g what can I do to make sure I get 10g and not 9g.

Stop worrying about 10g and grow 1kg.


I'm not really worried about it, it's more of a curiosity I have. My goal isn't to grow a massive amount of mushrooms, just to learn as much as I can!

If this is the wrong place in the forum, please point me to a better place so I can make sure I'm not being a nuisance here. Thanks :wink:



This is never the wrong place to ask any questions. If people are irritated or annoyed with questions of any type they are in no way obligated to answer. Satisfying curiosity is a perfectly valid reason to ask any question here.

Nobody is obligated to answer any question here. Letting a question go unanswered is not going to cause any universal collapse.

Folks, if, and I'm not saying this is the case here, there is someone asking questions to intentionally derail, annoy, or otherwise disrupt the thread, just don't feed their trolling. Obsession goes both ways. I see folks also obsessed with answering every single question as if it is their personal duty. Some of whom I rarely ever see asking any questions of their own. All the ocd, insane, freudian shit happens everywhere. We are all humans and we obsess. It is ok and healthy to examine personal needs.

This is not a thread for only certain questions and in the OP it is laid out that questions asked in other venues, or questions asked multiple times are also welcome here. Second opinions are a good thing. Please do not abuse this clause and use it as a loophole for being annoying or antagonistic. Antagonism is not welcome in any form. Someone else's intentions are very hard to "prove" in any way so I ask that people be personally responsible and not come here to disrupt or antagonize.

Just don't feed trolls.

Thanks folks, carry on.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy] * 3
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Mr Piggy said:
DERRAYLD said:
You do this all the time, we've all tried to explain this multiple times to you but you keep asking random questions like this.

What was it in the cannabis thread the other day?


God damn I love the ignore feature.



I just ignore people the old fashioned way. I don't need a button. :laugh2:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome] * 1
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I'm really autistic and can get drawn in too easily.  Ignore circumvents my auto-loop feature :shrug:

To each their own.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
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I am epileptic and coming here at all is detrimental to my health in general. We all make sacrifices for the things we love.

The ignore button is a brilliant feature and I'm glad it is here and fully support it's use.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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Looking to do my first WBS jars. I unfortunately don't have the best lids for them and they won't arrive by this weekend (only free time for a while).

I'd like to pressure cook my WBS jars with foil on them and a hole for LC injection/air exchange. Can I just hole punch the lid, inject thru the foil after PC and slap a piece of micropore tape over the hole quickly after?

I'm sure this isn't ideal, but does that seem like it could work? What size hole is too big for FAE and will dry out my bird seed?


Thank you friends! :smile:

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: RasJeph] * 2
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That is not recommended. If you’re going to inject LC do it via SHIP or potentially free pour into the grain jar directly in your SAB or in front of your flow hood.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: RasJeph] * 1
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Micropore tape on it's own is not a suitable filter material and although some people use it in such a way, many of us have identified it as the causal factor in much contamination issue. Here is a picture of mp tape on a microscope slide wiped with cube spores. The gaps between the fibers are like a open barn door trying to keep a gang of mice out. The mice being the spores. The dark specks in the pic are the spores.



If mp tape is to be used, as some do, it is best at least 2 or 3 layers thick and applied before the PC cycle so it is also sterile. There is no point in covering a sterile hole with non sterile, sticky, porous, substance of any kind. This is general across the board. What you want to be sterile has to be PC'd ahead of time. DO not ever touch or apply non sterile material to sterile food sources.

Get some SFD's (synthetic filter discs) either in full size form or sticker form.

Jars of grain need to be inoculated in a SAB (still air box), or in front of a laminar flow hepa filter aka "flow hood" or "fan filter unit". There is no getting around this unless you are extremely innovative and design sterile heart models with ziplock bags or other sterile chambers like the great wizard Faht has displayed.

You want to just open the lids in a sterile environment like a SAB or in front of the flow and squirt some right in, or use a proper SHIP (self healing injection port) for the inoculation hole. Never ever fuck with your GE (gas exchange) hole or filter material.

A nail or a hole punch are sufficient for the hole in the lid.

With SFD's you do not need the foil. They do not get "wet" in any sketchy way. If you need a link to cheapest, quality SFD's hmu.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome] * 1
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Ah man you guys are the absolute best. I really appreciate you all.

I did simple cakes for years and years but recently did try uncle Ben's and had good success with that. Was hoping my micropore tape could get me by with these but I'll take a pause and wait for the good stuff to arrive.


Thanks again all!

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Scrimshaw]
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Scrimshaw said:
I’m a big fan of millet. Easy to prep, relatively clean, etc. but I’ve been playing around with oats recently and they’re running circles around the millet in terms of colonization speed.

Anyone else have this experience as well? I don’t like oats for the most part. They’re cheap but dirty as hell and I don’t like the prep and excessive drying time. I feel like I’m always rolling the dice when using oats but in my low temps, they’re cutting weeks off the colonization time compared to millet.

Oats just never seem fully colonized to me. The hulls are always a mix between fully white or partially fuzzy. I’ve been tossing jars recently that look funky and then I open them and they smell fine.

Should I just stop complaining and stick to tried and true millet with slow speed or grow a sack and spawn this questionable looking oat spawn?


I had the opposite experience. My oats took over a week more than my millet heavy wbs to colonize. Im alternating between wbs and oats right now. Trying to master using oats for spawn.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: MrJong]
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I agree. I'll just modify the front on my SAB with a new piece of plexiglass for now. Then I'll most likely try to find a cheap FFU or build one. So far buying a 24x24 H14 filter has given me a lot of trepidation. Even spending $400 for an FFU on amazon is worrying. Unless I can find a great price I'm stuck with the SAB.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Scrimshaw]
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Scrimshaw said:
I’m a big fan of millet. Easy to prep, relatively clean, etc. but I’ve been playing around with oats recently and they’re running circles around the millet in terms of colonization speed.

Anyone else have this experience as well? I don’t like oats for the most part. They’re cheap but dirty as hell and I don’t like the prep and excessive drying time. I feel like I’m always rolling the dice when using oats but in my low temps, they’re cutting weeks off the colonization time compared to millet.

Oats just never seem fully colonized to me. The hulls are always a mix between fully white or partially fuzzy. I’ve been tossing jars recently that look funky and then I open them and they smell fine.

Should I just stop complaining and stick to tried and true millet with slow speed or grow a sack and spawn this questionable looking oat spawn?



I bought a 40 pound bag of millet because my oats were almost gone, and I definitely think oats were faster for me, even though I thought millet would be faster


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: fnulnu]
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Nichrome said:
tree frog said:
Is that bisporus and cilantro?

I'm running some in our sunroom right now with wheatgrass. It looks like the mycelium has penetrated the wheatgrass layer and started to colonize the secondary casing.  But it could be mold, hard to tell today. I gave it an initial casing and then spread a bunch of germinated wheatgrass over the top of it.



It drains into an active vermicompost layer, which drains into an empty shoe box.  Some of the wheatgrass roots have managed to find their way into the vermicompost too.





It is indeed. The bisporus love rabbit shit and so does the cilantro. A match made in heaven. Good eye.

"Some of the wheatgrass roots have managed to find their way into the vermicompost too."

I bet. :super:



Hey sorry correction, That is Panaeolus cinctulus in the pot with the cilantro. Not Bisporus. Brain fart. Don't know why my lazy brain read bisporus and just went with it. Also that is a cheater pic. I said that was all clean spawn >> outdoor substrate but those cinctulus are wild and came up on their own on that pot. :laugh2:

Carry on.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome] * 1
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First grow ever. What's the sensible way to harvest this stuff? I have a bunch that seem to be just starting out, and I do believe that one in the middle is opening its cap.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: StophJS] * 2
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Those are nowhere near ready and should get much bigger. All of them.

Veils break early in a lot of cultures. There are cubes that break their veils whilst pins and continue to mature to 100+ fatties. Only time will tell about yours but they are not ready yet.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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Thanks for the response. I wasn't gearing up to pull em just yet, more like getting my strategy figured out. Happy to hear they should keep growing!

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: fnulnu] * 2
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Scrimshaw said:
I’m a big fan of millet. Easy to prep, relatively clean, etc. but I’ve been playing around with oats recently and they’re running circles around the millet in terms of colonization speed.

Anyone else have this experience as well? I don’t like oats for the most part. They’re cheap but dirty as hell and I don’t like the prep and excessive drying time. I feel like I’m always rolling the dice when using oats but in my low temps, they’re cutting weeks off the colonization time compared to millet.

Oats just never seem fully colonized to me. The hulls are always a mix between fully white or partially fuzzy. I’ve been tossing jars recently that look funky and then I open them and they smell fine.

Should I just stop complaining and stick to tried and true millet with slow speed or grow a sack and spawn this questionable looking oat spawn?


I agree with the suspiciousness of the oats.  I've had better results with barley. Just recently ran side by sides with different  preps each.

And the fastest and best looking colonization was the " low prep " barley.

after quick rinse (compared to oats not so quick of rinse),  added to pot of cold water slowly brought to slow boil, reduced heat and simmered.

Until NOT quite fully hydrated. Drained, rinsed with cold water thoroughly until no longer warm. Left to drain few minutes, loaded into jars and PC 2 hrs 17psi after 20 minute vent with 2 forced ventings (put weight on till 3 psi and remove weight till zero)

The trick is to find the best balance between not-fully-hydrated and  the amount of moisture left on the grains to bring them into full hydration without excess moisture in the jar.


But yeah millet over oats... even no prep millet, IMO/experience  has been better/faster than any oats. Maybe its just my source.

Shit have had 25% exploded no prep millet out pace everything else for some APE.
Maybe try different, grain preps, and you might find one better situated for you

If you've got it spawn it and see.  Just be mindfull or bury it outside .

Edited by LewDoja (04/25/24 07:09 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: StophJS]
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Pluck and snip, or just slice them off at the sub with a sharp knife. Either works fine.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome] * 2
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Lew said it well.

I have seen much variation in millet. For example the red millet I tried was super slow and often wouldn't colonize fully at all and fruited extremely poorly. Some white millet and some yellow millet I've tried were very fast, and productive as well. Most typical yellow/white millets for me are preferable to the general middle of the road oats available.


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