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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Stable Genius]
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Poroshenko was elected via the people to serve before the coup. He was pro US involvement the entire time, because that's what the people who elected him wanted.

It is well documented. I love this revisionist history.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: christopera]
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the argument seems to rely on no country having any agency because big bad US is always pulling the strings and nobody anywhere is free and russia is sticking up for the little guy.

its a real insult to other countries democratic systems but .... that appears to be the argument:shrug:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: koods] * 1
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koods said:
Putin is bad because he’s a fascist dictator. Are you down for fascist dictators? Has your hatred for the US corrupted your morality?

Come on say it “Putin is a bad guy”


Maybe one should judge "badness" by a leader's popularity ratings?  If a country likes its leader, why should we argue that they should get a leader that the majority of people disapprove, like we have in the US?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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high school rules eh?:derfase:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: mushboy] * 1
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mushboy said:
the attitude towards this nonsense is striking to me.

putin is to blame. hes the one who started beating ukraine like a husband who beats his wife because she 'deserves it'.

its sick to see people make excuses for that kind of behavior.


So if I fuck your wife (girlfriend?), you won't beat up on me then?

Because clearly whatever happened before the invasion is irrelevant, just as whatever happened before you beat up on me is irrelevant, correct?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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why would i do that? id seriously ask myself what behavior i displayed to drive my wife away.

and that question is a cheap maneuver imo:snub:

you could of used entirely different language to express the same idea btw but you choose aggressive wording. probably to bait me. or its just how your mind works:shrug:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
koods said:
Putin is bad because he’s a fascist dictator. Are you down for fascist dictators? Has your hatred for the US corrupted your morality?

Come on say it “Putin is a bad guy”


Maybe one should judge "badness" by a leader's popularity ratings?  If a country likes its leader, why should we argue that they should get a leader that the majority of people disapprove, like we have in the US?


We will never know his true popularity until he is out of power. That's how dictatorships work.  Generally, people would rather keep their criticisms to themselves when the alternative is polonium poisoning.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Enlil]
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Nothing says popular like being afraid to speak up.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: koods] * 1
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koods said:
Russian forces in Kherson are cut off after a bridge across the Dnipro was destroyed. Time to mop up some fascists.


CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Russia continues to make the most obvious tactical mistakes you could make. Instead of falling back to a hardened defensive line and allowing enough time to rebuild enough troops and equipment which they seem to have trouble mustering anyway they've chose to keep pressure on ukraine with smaller offensive forces that aren't overwhelming enough of a surge to enable decisive offensive action to make any serious gains in the war. They also seem to be failing to protect logistical supply lines to these forward troops. Also they failed to redeploy enough troops to squash the counter offensive in kherson. Again it seems like they don't even have enough troops to proper sure up the entire front. They don't understand the concept of death by 1000 cuts. :youseethisshit:


How's that Kherson offensive going?  The Duran summed it up nicely.



For those who don't have time to watch, the Kherson offensive hasn't happened, and Russia continues to roll in Donetsk.  The mainstream press is desperately trying to peddle fake news up through the midterms.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: christopera]
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If he’s so popular why does the table have to be so big? :strokebeard:

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: undersativaskies] * 1
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undersativaskies said:
I unfortunately watched the video yesterday and I'm still not quite right from it. Fucking horrible. Apparently another video was released of them stuffing his cut off penis and testicles in his mouth and dragging him behind a truck. Imagine the horrible stuff that's happening and not being filmed.

Fuck Russia. I hope after all of this they're knocked back 100 years and the world treats them the way we treated Germany and Japan after ww2


I say fuck the guy who did it.  I'm fairly confident "Russia" had nothing to do with it, as this is an isolated case.

Just like the Russian POWs who all had their kneecaps shot on film.  A horrible crime, but did the orders come from Ukraine, or did a handful of rogue soldiers do it?

I suspect if the guy gets caught, he'll serve jail time.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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but to buy Ukraine time to build up its military "to restore Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity in the internationally recognized borders" (to take Donbas and Crimea).


Sounds reasonable to me


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: psi] * 1
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psi said:
Also illustrates why the notion that "NATO expansion" posed any invasion risk to Russia is nonsense. Nuclear weapons remain an effective deterrent to invasion.


Should all countries be permitted to develop nuclear weapons then?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Ukraine already had nuclear weapons. They gave them up when Russia promised (in writing) that it would respect the agreed upon borders.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: psi] * 1
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psi said:
Like on the one hand there do seem to be areas of Ukraine where a significant proportion of people feel more aligned with Russia than they do with Ukraine. You could debate whether such people being more concentrated in certain areas implies a right to carve off those parts of the country...


For sure.  :thumbup:

psi said:
...but perhaps it would have saved everyone a lot of trouble if those people had just immigrated to Russia instead.


Easier said than done.  :shrug:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: mushboy]
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mushboy said:
Ya that’s gotta be satire that can’t be legit:lol:

Christianity
:borat:


As of 2012, 47.4% of the total Russian population identify as Christians.  Source


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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So maybe it is the Russian people who are evil and not just the government.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: christopera] * 1
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christopera said:
Poroshenko was elected via the people to serve before the coup. He was pro US involvement the entire time, because that's what the people who elected him wanted.

It is well documented. I love this revisionist history.


Can you provide the documentation then?  My search shows Yanukovych was ousted on 22 Feb 14, while Poroshenko was elected on 25 May 2014, AFTER the coup.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
psi said:
Also illustrates why the notion that "NATO expansion" posed any invasion risk to Russia is nonsense. Nuclear weapons remain an effective deterrent to invasion.


Should all countries be permitted to develop nuclear weapons then?


Countries and organizations try to limit access to the materials and science necessary to develop nuclear weapons, but there is no organization that ultimately can stop sovereign nations from developing nuclear weapons. If you can muster the material and knowhow, you can develop it. North Korea being a nice example. I know you like to present various organizations/nations as the big bad wolf, but if NK is proof of anything, it's that you can get pretty much anything done if you are willing to pay the price.

Do I want more nuclear weapons? No. But you are being dishonest again. psi was not indicating that all countries should develop nuclear weapons. He was saying that the invasion risk was nonexistent, you know that, but you decided to move the goal posts. Moreover, if the west wanted Ukraine to be a nuclear super power the west would have given them a few of their thousands of nuclear weapons. The US alone has like 3k. I'm sure we could spare a few. Ukraine wouldn't have to develop shit which is nice because they are the poorest nation in Europe.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
christopera said:
Poroshenko was elected via the people to serve before the coup. He was pro US involvement the entire time, because that's what the people who elected him wanted.

It is well documented. I love this revisionist history.


Can you provide the documentation then?  My search shows Yanukovych was ousted on 22 Feb 14, while Poroshenko was elected on 25 May 2014, AFTER the coup.


No, I'm not your mommy and I won't play your games anymore. Poroshenko was elected democratically to other positions well before that.


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