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Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War!
    #3279831 - 10/26/04 04:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A62554-2004Oct25?language=printer
Increase in War Funding Sought
Bush to Request $70 Billion More

By Jonathan Weisman and Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, October 26, 2004; Page A01

The Bush administration intends to seek about $70 billion in emergency funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan early next year, pushing total war costs close to $225 billion since the invasion of Iraq early last year, Pentagon and congressional officials said yesterday.

White House budget office spokesman Chad Kolton emphasized that final decisions on the supplemental spending request will not be made until shortly before the request is sent to Congress. That may not happen until early February, when President Bush submits his budget for fiscal 2006, assuming he wins reelection.

But Pentagon and House Appropriations Committee aides said the Defense Department and military services are scrambling to get their final requests to the White House Office of Management and Budget by mid-November, shortly after the election. The new numbers underscore that the war is going to be far more costly and intense, and last longer, than the administration first suggested.

The Army is expected to request at least an additional $30 billion for combat activity in Iraq, with $6 billion more needed to begin refurbishing equipment that has been worn down or destroyed by unexpectedly intense combat, another Appropriations Committee aide said. The deferral of needed repairs over the past year has added to maintenance costs, which can no longer be delayed, a senior Pentagon official said.

The Army is expected to ask for as much as $10 billion more for its conversion to a swifter expeditionary force. The Marines will come in with a separate request, as will the Defense Logistics Agency and other components of the Department of Defense. The State Department will need considerably more money to finance construction and operations at the sprawling embassy complex in Baghdad. The Central Intelligence Agency's request would come on top of those.

"I don't have a number, and [administration officials] have not been forthcoming, but we expect it will be pretty large," said James Dyer, Republican chief of staff of the Appropriations Committee.

Bush has said for months that he would make an additional request for the war next year, but the new estimates are the first glimpse of its magnitude. A $70 billion request would be considerably larger than lawmakers had anticipated earlier this year. After the president unexpectedly submitted an $87 billion request for the Iraq and Afghanistan efforts last year, many Republicans angrily expressed sticker shock and implored the administration not to surprise them again.

This request would come on top of $25 billion in war spending allocated by Congress for the fiscal year that began Oct. 1. The two bills combined suggest the cost of combat is escalating from the $65 billion spent by the military in 2004 and the $62.4 billion allocated in 2003, as U.S. troops face insurgencies that have proven far more lethal than expected at this point.

"We're still evaluating what our commitments will be, and we will submit a request that fully supports those commitments," Kolton said.

The senior Pentagon official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said final figures may be shaped by the outcome of the presidential election and events in Iraq. But assuming force levels will remain constant in Iraq at about 130,000 troops, the final bill will be "roughly" $70 billion for the military alone, he said.

In making cost estimates for the supplemental budget request, Pentagon officials have distanced themselves from the Bush administration's public optimism about trends in Iraq. Instead, they make the fairly pessimistic assumption that about as many troops will be needed there next year as are currently on the ground.

The latest request comes on top of three earlier emergency spending bills approved by Congress in support of the war. In August, Congress approved $25 billion for the war as a bridge to the larger request the president promised for early 2005. Last October, lawmakers passed an $87.5 billion emergency spending measure that included $65 billion for combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. An additional $18.6 billion of that money went to Iraqi reconstruction.

Congress approved the first war spending measure in April 2003, a $78.5 billion measure that included $62.4 billion for combat and $7.5 billion for foreign assistance.

The White House has been careful to keep the war spending numbers "close to the vest," Dyer said. But Pentagon officials have been working on the request for two to three months, even as they put together their far larger budget request for fiscal 2006, the Pentagon official said.

The Iraq war has proven so costly because of the unexpectedly intense opposition from insurgents. That has led the Pentagon to keep far more troops in Iraq than it planned.

At the end of the invasion of Iraq in the spring of 2003, Pentagon officials expected to be able to radically trim the occupation force by the end of that year to perhaps 50,000 troops or less. Instead, they maintained a force of about 130,000 personnel there and have supplemented that force with about 20,000 civilian contractors.

On top of paying the wages of the all-volunteer force and the contractors, the military has paid for building dozens of bases and keeping a high-tech force equipped with computers, communications gear and expensive modern weaponry.

Yale University economist William D. Nordhaus estimated that in inflation-adjusted terms, World War I cost just under $200 billion for the United States. The Vietnam War cost about $500 billion from 1964 to 1972, Nordhaus said. The cost of the Iraq war could reach nearly half that number by next fall, 2 1/2 years after it began.

A Pentagon spokeswoman declined to comment. "We are going to let OMB talk for the administration on this issue," Marine Lt. Col. Rose-Ann Lynch said.


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Re: Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War! [Re: ekomstop]
    #3279867 - 10/26/04 04:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

guess who's not suprised...

War is his addiction

War funding is his heroin stash.

Please don't support the junkie folks.


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Re: Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War! [Re: ekomstop]
    #3279874 - 10/26/04 04:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War!

failed? you're getting ahead of yourself.


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Re: Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War! [Re: ]
    #3279895 - 10/26/04 04:30 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

mushmaster said:failed? you're getting ahead of yourself.




Right..I must have forgotten they did succeed in getting ye ole' pipeline put in..

Mission Accomplished  :thumbup:


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Re: Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War! [Re: ]
    #3279915 - 10/26/04 04:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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mushmaster said:
Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War!

failed? you're getting ahead of yourself.




It's hardly the "remarkable success" that Cheney thinks it is.


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Re: Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War! [Re: ekomstop]
    #3279916 - 10/26/04 04:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

We can see who you are rooting for by the title.

AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!

Just win baby.


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Re: Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War! [Re: JesusChrist]
    #3279938 - 10/26/04 04:38 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

even if it takes 5 years and a trillion dollars!

yeah!


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Re: Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War! [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #3279965 - 10/26/04 04:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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JonnyOnTheSpot said:
even if it takes 5 years and a trillion dollars!

yeah!




Maybe we should have gone to war for oil then! Lets just kill all of those sons of bitches and take the fields! Black Gold Baby!

We could make Dick Cheney the provost of the new colony, and we could name Haliburtonstan.


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Re: Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War! [Re: JesusChrist]
    #3280017 - 10/26/04 04:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Only if we bring back "the games"

We don't have to kill all the arabs, just put them in the games. Perhaps they can win their freedom. haha yeah right.


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Re: Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War! [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #3280042 - 10/26/04 05:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

With the advent of reality TV, I think you are on to something. Let "the games" begin! I think they already had some of those games at Abu Garib.


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Re: Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War! [Re: JesusChrist]
    #3280753 - 10/26/04 08:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The Iraqi people have tried for decades to overthrow Saddam. Every time, he has brutally crushed them. He has attempted the genocide of the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs. The will of the Iraqi people has always been to be free from his iron grip. Iraqis died at the rate of 40,000 per year under Saddam.

Are you prepared to go overseas and explain to them why their freedom should not have been granted to them? To explain to them why we should have left Saddam and power? How long should we have waited before taking action to stop their slaughter under Saddam?

We have had our freedom for sooooo long we take it for granted. Nobody in this forum was born early enough to know what its like to live in an oppressed country, yearning for independance (unless you're an immigrant, in which case you probably came here because the freedom and opportunity provided by the american system was more desireable than anything else you've experienced).

We are spoiled spoiled spoiled rotten, to the point of not even giving a damn about taking action to allow other people around the world to share what we've enjoyed our entire lives.

Yes, the war has been dirty, and has cost lives. But guess what? cutting military spending will only PROLONG the conflict, and cost more lvies on both sides. Give the government the resources it needs to get the job done right, to crush the terrorist opposition in the quickest, most efficient way possible.

Soldiers over ther are REFUSING TO DO THEIR JOBS because they lack the armor and weaponry to perform BASIC missions. How DARE you deny them body armor, weapons, equipment, and intelligence?

People who don't like the war need to support the financing of it because we won't leave until its done. Both presidential candidates have said so. We can be there for 10 years, or we can be there for two. Who here votes for 10?

We leave too soon, or don't do the job right, and the country melts into horrendous civil war, and America's standing in the world shrivels to nothingness.

Are you prepared for that consequence?


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Re: Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War! [Re: ekomstop]
    #3280835 - 10/26/04 08:25 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

While I was and still am against the war, I have to say I find it hard to call it a "failed" war when Saddam is no longer in power(which I believe was the primary objective).


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Re: Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War! [Re: MapleLeafRag]
    #3280956 - 10/26/04 08:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Nobody here thinks that Saddam should be in power.

The people who are against the war are against it because we believe that the price we will have to pay for the luxury of having Saddam out of power is far too much. And i'm not just talking about money.







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Re: Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War! [Re: Learyfan]
    #3280968 - 10/26/04 08:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

except CJay.


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Re: Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War! [Re: silversoul7]
    #3281619 - 10/26/04 10:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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While I was and still am against the war, I have to say I find it hard to call it a "failed" war when Saddam is no longer in power(which I believe was the primary objective).




Didn't this invasion of iraq stem from the idea that Saddam must have contributed to 9/11 somehow?  If the primary objective was to get Sadamn out of power, then how do they get the idea they need to continue pumping more money into expanding on what they already have there?  Surely the silent takeover of the natural resources could not have been among their ulterior motives for this supposed 'war on terror'..

:shrug:


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Re: Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War! [Re: ekomstop]
    #3281664 - 10/26/04 10:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War! [Re: ekomstop]
    #3281675 - 10/26/04 10:51 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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ekomstop said:
Didn't this invasion of iraq stem from the idea that Saddam must have contributed to 9/11 somehow?



Nope. While the Bush administration tried to link the two through inuendo, they never came out and actually said Saddam caused 9/11. It was based on the belief that Saddam had WMD's, which he might sell to terrorist organizations.

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If the primary objective was to get Sadamn out of power, then how do they get the idea they need to continue pumping more money into expanding on what they already have there?



It's called nation-building, and during the 2000 election, Bush said he was against it. I guess Kerry's not the only flip-flopper here.

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Surely the silent takeover of the natural resources could not have been among their ulterior motives for this supposed 'war on terror'..



I have no doubt that Halliburton may have had something to do with this, but that's not the point. The mission was to topple Saddam, and establish a representative government there, and we have been successful in this, despite the heavy casualties. I'm not saying this was the right thing to do, but that was the mission of the war, and it's been relatively successful so far.


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Re: Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War! [Re: silversoul7]
    #3281764 - 10/26/04 11:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, thousands of innocent, harmless Iraqi citizens slaughtered. Mission accomplished. What a great victory.


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Re: Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War! [Re: silversoul7]
    #3281780 - 10/26/04 11:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

don't forget the permanent military bases. Its just too juicy for them to pass up..now the US can pull out of Saudia arabia and turkey (huge source of American animosity in ME, I would guess 2nd to Israel) and continue a worldwide military presence with a big FU to anybody who doesn't like it, including Americans who don't want to pay for it.

So when is the US gonna start taking over other dictators who kill their population at that rate and even more? They'll bitch at the U.N. then. I mean who wants to set up a government in a couple African countries anyway? You can't run a car on elephants and bushmen ya know


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Re: Bush Wants Another $70 bn For Failed Iraq War! [Re: MapleLeafRag]
    #3282540 - 10/27/04 02:31 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

and America's standing in the world shrivels to nothingness.

Are you prepared for that consequence?


Yes, and I await it gleefully.


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