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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Tulipslave]
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I guess you're right. Russians just doing Russian shit. :shrug:

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: koods] * 2
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koods said:
Stable Genius said:
Yes that's right because nobody took Russia's concerns seriously :shrug:

Now the Ukrainian people and Russian soldiers are paying for it.


If you want to be taken seriously, don’t lie about your intentions. The fact that they lied about their intent until literally the hour they sent troops across the border is all you need to know: it’s a land grab.


It doesn't matter what's posted you ignore whatever doesn't fit your blinkered view. Worry about your own bias then I'll take you seriously, which I haven't done for a long time.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: mycosis] * 1
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There's an unfortunate difference between being unscrupulous/immoral and lying.



But I don't know what was exactly said.  There's a darn decent chance Putin or the mouthpiece did in fact lie. It's all about the words you use and how you use them.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Tulipslave]
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Tulipslave said:
mycosis said:
:laugh2:



I've no dog in this fight. I'm just pointing out how language works.



same here. It's very clear.


I'm just pissed that American Basketball star tried to leave Russia with a bunch of Weed Oil :picard:


And now the president sleepy Joe is gonna give up some arms dealer for her?


Like what the fuck?

I predict they(Russia) deny the first trade( For basketball woman) and ask for more.




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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Stable Genius]
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Stable Genius said:
If you want a more in depth and balanced report you can read RT's article :shrug: yes I know that quoting RT pisses people off but THAT'S NOT MY PROBLEM.

https://www.rt.com/russia/541994-peace-plan-donbass-moscow/

[...]

Seeing as the western media REFUSE to do any decent reporting on this it's useful to also point out that with the U.S. blowing wind up Zelensky's arse his reply was

Quote:
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has refused to hold talks


Like, are you understanding any of the nuance here, or are you happy to tag along with koods and maintain the dumbed down 'but but Putin bad' line?


Talking of depth and balance...

Quote:
The Kremlin insists it is not a party to the conflict, however, and has urged Kiev to deal with the leaders of the two self-declared breakaway Lugansk and Donetsk republics. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has refused to hold talks, though, insisting the separatists are Russian-backed and calling for negotiations with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin instead.


There's a significant difference between refusing to talk at all, and refusing to talk with anyone but your political counterpart. Sure, there can be debate about whether or not Putin controls the Ukrainian separatists, but depth and balance comes through giving the full context and allowing that debate to occur - not by attempting to influence opinion through a selective offering.

I'm also not reading the two-sidedness in your Blinken quotes. The first is saying that both Russian and Ukrainian states believe the Minsk agreement should be implemented. The second is threatening the Russian state with consequences, if there is further aggression in Ukraine. Am I missing something here? What's the contradiction?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 2
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All this just goes to show that no country should ever give up any weapons of mass destruction they have if they want to avoid being cludged out.
Nothing good ever comes from dismantling or forfeiting your big bads.

Iraq, Libya, Ukraine

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: koods] * 1
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koods said:
Stable Genius said:
Yes that's right because nobody took Russia's concerns seriously :shrug:

Now the Ukrainian people and Russian soldiers are paying for it.


If you want to be taken seriously, don’t lie about your intentions. The fact that they lied about their intent until literally the hour they sent troops across the border is all you need to know: it’s a land grab.


Whats my intentions, tell us!

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Fiery]
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Fiery said:
I'm just pissed that American Basketball star tried to leave Russia with a bunch of Weed Oil :picard:


And now the president sleepy Joe is gonna give up some arms dealer for her?


Like what the fuck?

I predict they(Russia) deny the first trade( For basketball woman) and ask for more.







She lied .... does that make her a Russian American now?


What will happen during the prison exchange?


Will they use waterboarding like they did during the Afghanistan/Iraq war?

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 2
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shivas.wisdom said:
There's a significant difference between refusing to talk at all, and refusing to talk with anyone but your political counterpart.

I'm also not reading the two-sidedness in your Blinken quotes.


On the first point fair enough.

On the second point if you’re not seeing any two-sidedness no problem that’s your opinion. That’s not how I view his remarks.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Stable Genius]
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Stable Genius said:
koods said:
Stable Genius said:
Yes that's right because nobody took Russia's concerns seriously :shrug:

Now the Ukrainian people and Russian soldiers are paying for it.


If you want to be taken seriously, don’t lie about your intentions. The fact that they lied about their intent until literally the hour they sent troops across the border is all you need to know: it’s a land grab.


It doesn't matter what's posted you ignore whatever doesn't fit your blinkered view. Worry about your own bias then I'll take you seriously, which I haven't done for a long time.


If RUSSIA wants to be taken seriously, it shouldn’t lie about its intentions. Before February 24th, Russia repeatedly denied it was planning or intended to invade Ukraine. If Russia wanted to negotiate the terms it laid out, why didn’t it use the threat of invasion as pressure? It doesn’t make any sense.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (07/29/22 01:51 AM)

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Stable Genius]
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Stable Genius said:
On the first point fair enough.

On the second point if you’re not seeing any two-sidedness no problem that’s your opinion. That’s not how I view his remarks.


Ok so why not explain your thoughts? The quotes weren't self-explanatory.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 2
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Well, in the first quote Blinken said he’d be happy to see the Minsk agreement implemented as that would solve the problem in the Donbas region.
That fine I don’t have a problem with that statement, if only he had stopped there, it makes sense, it’s diplomatic, it’s not inflammatory.
But he just couldn’t help himself in the next quote warning Moscow if there was further aggression there’d be consequences. In my opinion that’s completely hypocritical as well as aggressive.
Who put the U.S. in charge?
Did he forget his government had been supplying weapons?
It’s absolutely not a genuine call for peace.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Stable Genius]
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https://news.yahoo.com/horrifying-footage-appears-to-show-russian-captors-castrating-a-ukrainian-prisoner-of-war-221414554.html

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The victim in the video wears Ukrainian-style camouflage fatigues and is shown gagged, his hands tied behind his back. He lies helpless on the floor as the man in a Russian uniform, which features a “Z” patch, uses a box cutter to cut off his clothes and then appears to castrate him while shouting degrading insults in Russian. At least two other men who appear to be Russian soldiers can be seen in the video.



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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: koods]
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Just Chechens doing Russian shit. :shrug:

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: mycosis]
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Nothing shouts out advanced capitalist economy quite like: we've made an agreement to buy aircraft parts from Iran because no other country in the world will sell them to us and we can't manufacture them ourselves (in 2022).

I checked out airline safety in Iran and it said they were generally OK, except that due to U.S. sanctions, some of their aircraft is too old, and they also have major issues with obtaining parts, so this can't be more than a partial solution for Russia.

Then there is the issue that Russia and Iran both sell gas for a living and are natural economic competitors, but they both don't like the U.S. so there's that. We'll have to see if or when the Russian commercial airline industry returns to pre-invasion levels.


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"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

Simulacrum
The truth which conceals that there is none

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: koods]
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I unfortunately watched the video yesterday and I'm still not quite right from it. Fucking horrible. Apparently another video was released of them stuffing his cut off penis and testicles in his mouth and dragging him behind a truck. Imagine the horrible stuff that's happening and not being filmed.

Fuck Russia. I hope after all of this they're knocked back 100 years and the world treats them the way we treated Germany and Japan after ww2


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The wolves howl, the sheep dwell, and the fool casts his whom.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: mycosis] * 2
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mycosis said:
All this just goes to show that no country should ever give up any weapons of mass destruction they have if they want to avoid being cludged out.
Nothing good ever comes from dismantling or forfeiting your big bads.

Iraq, Libya, Ukraine


Also illustrates why the notion that "NATO expansion" posed any invasion risk to Russia is nonsense. Nuclear weapons remain an effective deterrent to invasion.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: psi] * 1
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That much has been obvious from the start. Still,  It’s so damn easy to fall prey to that propaganda since it’s shoved in our faces by Russia and friends day and night.  Lord knows I’ve gone back and forth on it several times since they first invaded, but alas it is pure bullshit.  Pure and utter bullshit.

Ignoring all words and propaganda from everyone spouting it and simply looking at Russia and Ukraine and what’s going on between them as one might do when observing competing ants in nature paints a more honest picture.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: psi] * 1
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I agree. We will oppose Russian expansion, but hey have far too many warheads to ever invade Russia. I think what we are doing right now is the George Kennan cold war strategy of containment.


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"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

Simulacrum
The truth which conceals that there is none

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
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The Blind Ass said:
That much has been obvious from the start. Still,  It’s so damn easy to fall prey to that propaganda since it’s shoved in our faces by Russia and friends day and night.  Lord knows I’ve gone back and forth on it several times since they first invaded, but alas it is pure bullshit.  Pure and utter bullshit.

Ignoring all words and propaganda from everyone spouting it and simply looking at Russia and Ukraine and what’s going on between them as one might do when observing competing ants in nature paints a more honest picture.


Like on the one hand there do seem to be areas of Ukraine where a significant proportion of people feel more aligned with Russia than they do with Ukraine. You could debate whether such people being more concentrated in certain areas implies a right to carve off those parts of the country, but perhaps it would have saved everyone a lot of trouble if those people had just immigrated to Russia instead.

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