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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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TBF, once he mentioned a drowning feeling I figured that's a whole different cup of tea from coughing like you just took a fat bong rip and figured it makes sense to go anyway.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Care can get kinda lax during the surges. I'm not sure where he's at, how old he is, what his medical history is, or what's going on, but before covid any new trouble breathing used to be worthy of an ER visit. They should at least have some oxygen for him and be able to do a basic workup. leaving people at home like that is a bad idea, and it wouldn't be happening if hospitals were overburdened. All kinds of shit can go wrong quick.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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Meh. I'm more of a stay in bed and ride it out kinda guy.

I took it too far once when I managed to split the bottom of my foot open and broke it in three places though.

I just hobbled home, drew the blinds, climbed into bed and figured 'it'll be alright in the morning'. My mum got home, took one look at it, and said in no uncertain terms that I'm going to hospital.

Couldn't say no at that point.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #27575197 -

"Fuck off" isn't a flame, it's an instruction. Why is this even debatable?

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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It's fucking aggressive is what it is.

Ain't seen them two words uttered together in all the COVID threads thus far.

Why is this even a problem? Methinks perhaps the projections upon me for it lie with those that have a problem with it. 'tis not cool to talk like that here, to ones brothers.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Drboomer]
    #27575376 -

Drboomer said:
I don't wanna go but I feel like I'm drowning and my doc won't let me go there. He thinks it's likely pneumonia, so I'd get sent there for x-rays anyway



Dr b, you almost certainly "have" some level of "pneumonia" if you have a symptomatic covid infection of any kind. If you are having shortness of breath while resting the way you would typically only expect to when walking a long way or jogging (depending on your fitness level), you should seek more emergent medical attention. even if you could "expect" to make it through the illness without dying, all of that oxygen deficiency (tissue hypoxia) is just creating damage for precisely as long as you are forcing it into using lactic acid for energy. This is not a big deal in tissues like skeletal muscle but in cardiac and pulmonary tissue this causes permanent damage.

Edited by morrowasted (12/10/21 01:07 AM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
    #27575409 -

He needs to get a relative or friend to get him a pulse oximeter at a drug store. That’s the best way to monitor your breathing


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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To be pendantic, pulse oximeters are the best nonivasive way to measure arterial oxygen delivery to whatever extremity is being measured. If you have peripheral artery disease then a pulse oximeter will give you a lower reading than you might expect regardless of how well your lungs expand or your alveolar capillaries exchange oxygen for carbon dioxide. These are all different processes that often overlap within the context of modern chronic diseases.


For the purpose of anyone not diagnosed with peripheral artery disease and or chronic uncontrolled diabetes, a pulse oximeter is a sufficient reflection of your ventilation and gas exchange status

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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Some pulse oximeter seem to be lower quality than others too. I tried one of those cheapo ones on a patient that read 94% when the nurse's read 99%. they're a good tool, but if the guy is having trouble breathing with pneumonia symptoms, then he's almost definitely saturating low. Personally, I'd want to be on some O2 for a while. You don' want your breathing muscles tuckered out from working too hard and end up on a vent. Steroids and that kind of thing might help a bit too.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #27575672 -

I've noticed mine drops lower the longer I keep it on. I don't think that's because of my oxygen levels dropping because of a thing on my finger.

Edited by Baby_Hitler (12/10/21 10:24 AM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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A description of typical Covid progression from an RT:


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Stage 1. You’ve had debilitating symptoms for a few days, but now it is so hard to breathe that you come to the emergency room. Your oxygen saturation level tells us you need help, a supplemental flow of 1 to 4 liters of oxygen per minute. We admit you and start you on antivirals, steroids, anticoagulants or monoclonal antibodies. You’ll spend several days in the hospital feeling run-down, but if we can wean you off the oxygen, you’ll get discharged. You survive.

Stage 2. It becomes harder and harder for you to breathe. “Like drowning,” many patients describe the feeling. The bronchodilator treatments we give you provide little relief. Your oxygen requirements increase significantly, from 4 liters to 15 liters to 40 liters per minute. Little things, like relieving yourself or sitting up in bed, become too difficult for you to do on your own. Your oxygen saturation rapidly declines when you move about. We transfer you to the intensive care unit.

Stage 3. You’re exhausted from hyperventilating to satisfy your body’s demand for air. We put you on noninvasive, “positive pressure” ventilation – a big, bulky face mask that must be Velcro’d tightly around your face so the machine can efficiently push pressure into your lungs to pop them open so you get enough of the oxygen it delivers.

Stage 4. Your breathing becomes even more labored. We can tell you’re severely fatigued. An arterial blood draw confirms that the oxygen content in your blood is critically low. We prepare to intubate you. If you’re able to and if there’s time, we will suggest that you call your loved ones. This might be the last time they’ll hear your voice.

We connect you to a ventilator. You are sedated and paralyzed, fed through a feeding tube, hooked to a Foley catheter and a rectal tube. We turn your limp body regularly, so you don’t develop pressure ulcers – bed sores. We bathe you and keep you clean. We flip you onto your stomach to allow for better oxygenation. We will try experimental therapeutics.

Stage 5. Some patients survive Stage 4. Unfortunately, your oxygen levels and overall condition have not improved after several days on the ventilator. Your COVID-infested lungs need assistance and time to heal, something that an ECMO machine, which bypasses your lungs and oxygenates your blood, can provide. But alas, our community hospital doesn’t have that capability.

If you’re stable enough, you will get transferred to another hospital for that therapy. Otherwise, we’ll continue treating you as best we can. We’re understaffed and overwhelmed, but we’ll always give you the best care we can.

Stage 6. The pressure required to open your lungs is so high that air can leak into your chest cavity, so we insert tubes to clear it out. Your kidneys fail to filter the byproducts from the drugs we continuously give you. Despite diuretics, your entire body swells from fluid retention, and you require dialysis to help with your renal function.

The long hospital stay and your depressed immune system make you susceptible to infections. A chest X-ray shows fluid accumulating in your lung sacs. A blood clot may show up, too. We can’t prevent these complications at this point; we treat them as they present.

If your blood pressure drops critically, we will administer vasopressors to bring it up, but your heart may stop anyway. After several rounds of CPR, we’ll get your pulse and circulation back. But soon, your family will need to make a difficult decision.

Stage 7: After several meetings with the palliative care team, your family decides to withdraw care. We extubate you, turning off the breathing machinery. We set up a final FaceTime call with your loved ones. As we work in your room, we hear crying and loving goodbyes. We cry, too, and we hold your hand until your last natural breath.

I’ve been at this for 17 months now. It doesn’t get easier. My pandemic stories rarely end well. When patients are vaccinated, their COVID-19 infections most likely end after Stage 1. If only that were the case for everyone.




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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers] * 1
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A description of typical Covid progression from an actual survivor

Stage 1: I gots the covids and felt like shit for 10 days. My joints and head ached and I felt tired. After a week I developed a bit of a cough

Stage 2: Feeling sorry for myself I stayed home from work for two weeks

Stage 3: I healed all by myself.


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A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Tripsurfer] * 3
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Stage 4: Fails to learn from mistakes, continues to engage in bad decision making, and repeatedly spreads misinformation across the internet in shameful attempts to validate poor insight

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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What misinformation has TS been spreading, GW?


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Tripsurfer]
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Tripsurfer said:
A description of typical Covid progression from an actual survivor

Stage 1: I gots the covids and felt like shit for 10 days. My joints and head ached and I felt tired. After a week I developed a bit of a cough

Stage 2: Feeling sorry for myself I stayed home from work for two weeks

Stage 3: I healed all by myself.




Thats not what the people I knew who died of it went through.

On the RT's books, this is Stage 0, illness mild enough not to require ER admission.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Tripsurfer]
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Tripsurfer said:
A description of typical Covid progression from an actual survivor

Stage 1: I gots the covids and felt like shit for 10 days. My joints and head ached and I felt tired. After a week I developed a bit of a cough

Stage 2: Feeling sorry for myself I stayed home from work for two weeks

Stage 3: I healed all by myself.



Wow, your immune system must be super weak if Covid gave you a cough and body ache. My 94 year old great aunt has kidney failure and COPD and breezed through it with basically no symptoms.

You may want to get vaccinated. Since your lungs are probably already damaged from the first round since Covid infested them enough to cause a cough and it took you so long to clear it, with that weak immune system of yours round 2 probably won't be pretty for you.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers]
    #27575790 -

Ill take my chances :shrug:


Cant win with you guys

Get infected with minor symptoms and your immune system didnt get triggered >> Better get the vax man, second infection is going to be brutal

Get infected with solid symptoms and your immune system is weak >> Better get the vax man, second infection is going to be brutal



Literally no one (and I mean no one) I know has suffered any serious consequences of getting infected



Been smoking concentrate for the last few days. My lungs are fine.

But even if they werent and Im slowly dying of long-covid. Its my choice. I may not last forever but for now I am free to make stupid choices regarding my health


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
Tripsurfer said:
A description of typical Covid progression from an actual survivor

Stage 1: I gots the covids and felt like shit for 10 days. My joints and head ached and I felt tired. After a week I developed a bit of a cough

Stage 2: Feeling sorry for myself I stayed home from work for two weeks

Stage 3: I healed all by myself.




Thats not what the people I knew who died of it went through.

On the RT's books, this is Stage 0, illness mild enough not to require ER admission.



Yeah I should have made it clear I posted that in response to Drboomer's situation, it's based on the typical progression when someone has moderate/severe symptoms and needs medical intervention

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Tripsurfer]
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Jokeshopbeard said:
What misinformation has TS been spreading, GW?



He's been posting garbage about vaccination and immunity since at least the start of this thread. I'm not going back through it for quotes, but it's in the thread and it's been responded to on multiple occasions if you feel the need to see it. It's not worth the time to go fishing IMO, but it's worth a mention and you can see it in the spirit of that last post. We're talking about a guy who's getting sicker after two of his family members have died, and all tripsurfer can do is try to mock some RT's recounting of IRL experience with the spectrum of disease.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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Once again, your response - like those of the other, pushier, pro-vaxxy people - just makes me feel less and less like I want to come anywhere over towards that side of things.

There's a certain underlying tone in your post; especially when TS has been not at all the typical anti-vax kinda guy (he's been pretty balanced in his reasoning and discussion IMO), that just seems really quite unnecessary. You say he mocks, I say you mock. Two wrongs 'n all.

It's funny to me; I have not seen ONE person who doesn't want the vaccine (for whatever reason) insinuate that people who do want it are bad, or that they shouldn't get it, but the pro-vax people just seem to constantly talk down to anyone who isn't on their side, frequently insinuating that one is some kind of scumbag POS for not getting it. It makes me laugh when I mention how I'm apparently the worst person ever now in the eyes of such types to friends.

That alone is enough for me to not want in on that camp, let alone my myriad of other reasons.



Also, FYI, one of my best friends called yesterday to say he's caught COVID. He's vaxxed, was asymptomatic, and only found out after getting tested as is required to board a flight to England (he now cannot do so).

So for all you lot telling unvaxxed people that they're the root cause of the problem, I say that's utter shite; he would have been walking around spreading it too, were it not for the fact process dictated he must test before flying. He's now doing the two week quarantine thing and has to miss a few major events, but he likely would have infected many, had he not had to fly in a couple of days.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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