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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot]
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Looks like someone is eagerly waiting for their chance to drop the VAERS bombshell

It’s like we’re back in January again

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers]
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But can you answer my question though


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot]
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JohnnyTripsAlot said:
koods said:
That is the most common question asked by idiots, practically on a daily basis.

Why does someone need to be sober when they drive, when sober people can still kill someone with their car?



Being sober puts no risk your own health.  Can you honestly tell me that there are zero cases of adverse reactions from the vaccine  because we go there too that's fine 🙂




1  i didn't see that you have any argument for any healthy person under age 50 have a 99.5 plus percent chance of survival.

2 we all know vaccinated ppl still spread the virus too, so why again does my vaccinated status help any of these at risk people?

3.  No matter how small of a health risk u might think this vaccine is, it's still a risk.  And if I can spread the virus regardless then why should I be subject to the risk?


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Edited by JohnnyTripsAlot (12/08/21 07:47 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot] * 1
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JohnnyTripsAlot said:
But can you answer my question though


You’re looking at it from a “me, me, me” perspective. Even from this perspective you misinterpret a low death rate for your age group as meaning the virus won’t harm you, which it very well can in ways I’m guessing you’re not fully aware of, and the risk is likely far higher than you’re aware of.

Getting vaccinated means you have a significantly lower chance of getting infected in the first place, and when infected will clear the virus and be an active spreader for a far shorter amount of time. Being unvaccinated on a personal level means putting everyone around you at greater risk unnecessarily, when those numbers get scaled up to a societal level it means hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.

It’s nothing new, nothing that hasn’t been taught in every Intro to- Public Health, Infectious Disease, Epidemiology etc. course for decades. Those who don’t understand it becoming anti vax is also nothing new.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers]
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I truly believe the you are the one who is misinformed. Remember they changed the definition of a vaccine.  I have had plenty of vaccines and do not oppose them, if you can't see why this "vaccine" in particular is not the same, then we are clearly on different planets.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods] * 1
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koods said:
trees said:
Koods and Feevers I can imagine them signing up to work for those camps. Koods definitely would be one of the more sinister quarantine enforcers there. Hed use special PCR Q-tip torture methods and threaten to lengthen peoples quarantine sentences if they resist anything


[MOD EDIT]: Enough with the flaming.


Lol @ removing koods’ posts for flaming but not the one where trees goes into detail about koods wanting torture people

Just a coincidence that you delete the post from the guy you disagree with, but you leave up the post from the guy you agree with JSB?

Hella freedom

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot]
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JohnnyTripsAlot said:
Remember they changed the definition of a vaccine.


How so man?


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers]
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feevers said:
Lol @ removing koods’ posts for flaming but not the one where trees goes into detail about koods wanting torture people


I take it you didn't see the unbridled vitriol in koods' post?

There's gotta be a line somewhere mate. There's plenty of shit being thrown around in this thread, but we've gotta maintain a modicum of respect; i.e a line.

trees, much like Guesswork at times, is maintaining an air of humour IMO (remember he and I both grew up in England so what accounts for humour might well be different in your eyes). Koods came out the gate on the post I edited with pure venom.

But feel free to call me biased, because I'm human, and aint a single one of those creatures that aint in some way, shape or form.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Jokeshopbeard said:
JohnnyTripsAlot said:
Remember they changed the definition of a vaccine.


How so man?



"Vaccine used to be defined as a substances that provides 'immunity' to a specific disease," reads the text of an Instagram post shared Nov. 4. "Now, Merriam Webster has literally changed the definition of 'vaccine' and removed the 'immunity' portion in order to possibly cover for the fact that the COVID 'vaccines' don't actually provide immunity from COVID."

Sounds like a great reason not to mandate an ineffective health risk.

And here's from another article referencing the cdc changes.

The term “vaccine” also got a makeover. The CDC’s definition changed from “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease” to the current “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”


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Edited by JohnnyTripsAlot (12/08/21 08:27 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot]
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It still doesn't seem too far off the mark IMO:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaccine


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers] * 1
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feevers said:
larry.fisherman said:
But y'know gimme some numbers. Gimme your idea of what should be done.


Quote:
larry.fisherman said:
he just hides behind numbers


:lol:

The amount of projection and just heaps of shit rolling out of peoples’s mouths in a desperate effort to be right about something they know nothing about is really pretty mind blowing.


I wasn't actually asking for those things ya genius. It's also pretty astounding when people purposefully take things out of context.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
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The definition had to be changed in order for this shot to even be considered a vaccine and you don't see the difference?

Guys I'm not trying to be that guy. I'm genuinely having a hard time believing that you all seriously think it makes sense to mandate these shots?


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
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Jokeshopbeard said:
feevers said:
Lol @ removing koods’ posts for flaming but not the one where trees goes into detail about koods wanting torture people


I take it you didn't see the unbridled vitriol in koods' post?

There's gotta be a line somewhere mate. There's plenty of shit being thrown around in this thread, but we've gotta maintain a modicum of respect; i.e a line.

trees, much like Guesswork at times, is maintaining an air of humour IMO (remember he and I both grew up in England so what accounts for humour might well be different in your eyes). Koods came out the gate on the post I edited with pure venom.

But feel free to call me biased, because I'm human, and aint a single one of those creatures that aint in some way, shape or form.


The line is pretty well drawn in the first post of the thread, it hasn’t been followed for awhile now as can be seen by the current hamhead trying to implicate Merriam Webster into the Illuminati’s secret campaign to save lives.

Is it possible that trees’ posts are only funny to you because you agree with them, and some people find koods’ posts funny?

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot]
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JohnnyTripsAlot said:
The definition had to be changed in order for this shot to even be considered a vaccine and you don't see the difference?



No

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: larry.fisherman]
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larry.fisherman said:
feevers said:
larry.fisherman said:
But y'know gimme some numbers. Gimme your idea of what should be done.


Quote:
larry.fisherman said:
he just hides behind numbers


:lol:

The amount of projection and just heaps of shit rolling out of peoples’s mouths in a desperate effort to be right about something they know nothing about is really pretty mind blowing.


I wasn't actually asking for those things ya genius. It's also pretty astounding when people purposefully take things out of context.


Silly me to assume reality based things like numbers actually meant something to you

You have your emotions and opinions, that’s what really matters here

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
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Crazy_Horse said:
JohnnyTripsAlot said:
The definition had to be changed in order for this shot to even be considered a vaccine and you don't see the difference?



No


Vaccine used to mean you were immune to something.  Couldn't catch it nor spread it.  This shot provides neither one of those.  What am I missing here?


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers]
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feevers said:
JohnnyTripsAlot said:
But can you answer my question though


It’s nothing new, nothing that hasn’t been taught in every Intro to- Public Health, Infectious Disease, Epidemiology etc. course for decades. Those who don’t understand it becoming anti vax is also nothing new.



I am not an epidemiologist, valid point.  But if you're going to reference their text books and use that as an argument, I think it's worth noting those books were written when a vaccine actually provided immunity. And again this does not.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot]
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They refined the definition to fit the way the word is commonly used. No conspiracy
to sneak in the Covid vax.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot] * 1
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JohnnyTripsAlot said:
feevers said:
JohnnyTripsAlot said:
But can you answer my question though


It’s nothing new, nothing that hasn’t been taught in every Intro to- Public Health, Infectious Disease, Epidemiology etc. course for decades. Those who don’t understand it becoming anti vax is also nothing new.



I am not an epidemiologist, valid point.  But if you're going to reference their text books and use that as an argument, I think it's worth noting those books were written when a vaccine actually provided immunity. And again this does not.


Lots of vaccines don’t provide sterilizing immunity, which is what you’re talking about.

If you’re actually concerned with truth, you should really actively seek out better sources for your information.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers] * 1
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From 2015

https://www.vaccinestoday.eu/stories/why-do-some-vaccinated-kids-still-get-sick/

WHY DO SOME VACCINATED KIDS STILL GET SICK?
Editorial Board
June 18th, 2015
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‘This is a question we come across a lot. The short answer is that no vaccine is 100% effective.’

Immunity is not like flicking a light switch; there is no simple on/off button. Sometimes an individual’s immune system just doesn’t respond to the vaccine. Or perhaps the vaccine has lost potency because it is out of date or has not been stored correctly. In the real world, these things can happen. And mild disease can occur despite successful vaccination.

But these are not reasons to skip vaccination. In fact, it makes it even more important that everyone – unless you are too young or too sick – is vaccinated.


The Robert Koch Institute offers the following example to illustrate this point:

“Imagine a measles epidemic occurs in a primary school. Half of the children are immunised, the other half not. Statistically, one can expect about 97 or 98 percent of the unprotected pupils to get sick – but only two to three percent of the vaccinated pupils.”

Vaccines can also help reduce the severity of disease. This means that even if you catch an infectious illness you are less likely to suffer serious complications.

‘But I heard that more vaccinated people got sick during an epidemic in my city.’

This can happen. When it does, it causes serious confusion until you look more closely.

vaccines

The History of Vaccines project at the University of Philadelphia explains this neatly:

“During an outbreak, the number of vaccinated individuals who get sick will often outnumber the unvaccinated people who get sick. This, however, is not because vaccines are ineffective, but because there are so few people who avoid vaccination in the first place. Look at the numbers for a hypothetical outbreak:

You have a group of 500 people who have been exposed to an outbreak of a rare disease. Of those 500 people, 490 have been vaccinated; 10 have not. Different vaccines provide different rates of protection, but in this case, let’s assume that 98 of every 100 people who are vaccinated will successfully develop immunity against the disease.

When exposed to the outbreak, all 10 of the unvaccinated individuals get the disease. What about the 490 who were vaccinated?

Based on the assumption of 98 of every 100 people developing successful immunity (leaving two of the 100 unprotected), about 10 of the 490 vaccinated individuals will get the disease—the same as the number of unvaccinated individuals who came down with the disease.

Those numbers, however, don’t take into account the percentage of vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals who got sick. Of those who fell ill, 10 had been vaccinated and 10 had not. But the 10 who had been vaccinated are only (10 / 490) = 2% of the individuals who had been vaccinated in the population of 500. The 10 who hadn’t been vaccinated are (10 / 10) = 100% of those who weren’t vaccinated. The final results of the outbreak, therefore, look like this:

Population size: 500
Vaccinated individuals: 490
Unvaccinated individuals: 10
Percentage of vaccinated individuals who fell ill: 2%
Percentage of unvaccinated individuals who fell ill: 100%”
So the risk of contracting the disease is many times higher in the unvaccinated group.

Edited by Crazy_Horse (12/08/21 09:18 PM)

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