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Re: Over Packing the Jars??????
    #27160 - 08/03/00 10:28 PM (23 years, 8 months ago)

BUT, psilocyber , the chance of not getting an uniform substrate in all jars is much greater if you mix each jar separetely. Think about it!

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Re: Over Packing the Jars?????? [Re: Anno]
    #27161 - 08/04/00 01:24 AM (23 years, 8 months ago)

0.5 inch of vermiculite at the top is enough.

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Re: Over Packing the Jars?????? [Re: Anno]
    #27162 - 08/04/00 01:31 AM (23 years, 8 months ago)

You?re not supposed to tamp down your substrate however. It should remain light and fluffy.

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Re: Over Packing the Jars?????? [Re: Anno]
    #27163 - 08/04/00 01:48 AM (23 years, 8 months ago)

But what i need to know is, is substrate made for 12 jars put into 11 gonna make a diff? does that seem like over packing or not??

after all it is just 1 half pint jar split into 11 parts???????



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Re: Over Packing the Jars?????? [Re: Anno]
    #27164 - 08/04/00 01:49 AM (23 years, 8 months ago)

No, it won?t.

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Re: Over Packing the Jars?????? [Re: Anno]
    #27167 - 08/03/00 10:31 PM (23 years, 8 months ago)

anno.. who says you need to have a uniform substrate.. a little difference in the substrate wont hurt.. if its easier to do the jars seperately..

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Re: Over Packing the Jars?????? [Re: Anno]
    #27168 - 08/03/00 10:58 PM (23 years, 8 months ago)

No,it?s not! It?s far more easy and faster to mix the substrate for 5 jars in a bowl and then fill the jars. You?ll have to measure each ingridient only once!

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Re: Over Packing the Jars?????? [Re: Anno]
    #27169 - 08/04/00 11:36 AM (23 years, 8 months ago)

I had a lot left over when I mixed for individual jars and the second time when I mixed for a batch of jars.
Don't sweat it. I feel the culprite is the vermiculite in the measuring cup. If we were using weight it would be more accurate. A more compacted vermiculite that fluffs up once the mixing begins will lead to an excess amount of mix in the end . . .
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the "key" ingredients the flour, for nutrient, and the water? The vermiculite is just a filler, right?

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Re: Over Packing the Jars?????? [Re: Anno]
    #27170 - 08/04/00 01:37 PM (23 years, 8 months ago)

thanx for replying,

I think I might have added a bit too much h20, that would account for the dampness, and it would make it more compact like, right??
will the excess h20 hurt my project?



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Re: Over Packing the Jars?????? [Re: Anno]
    #27172 - 08/05/00 12:36 AM (23 years, 8 months ago)

psilocyber: Let?s do an example:

Say, our recipe calls for 45 ml(=cubic centimets) water. I have a measure cup which holds 250 ml with 5 ml scaling. Now these lines are about 1 mm apart. It?s very hard to measure it very exact to the point. One milimeter up or down is possible, thus making me to measure either 40 or 50 ml or somwhere in between.
And it makes a BIG difference, if you put 40 or 50 ml of water per jar in your substrate.

If I do 5 jars at once, then I have to measure 225 ml water, thus I get either 220 or 230 ml or between, but as you can see, the relative mistake is much smaller(like 5 times smaller).

As I said before, I first mix vermiculite with water, and then add BRF.
This way I get individual kernels of vermiculite covered with a thin layer of BRF.
It gives a very uniforme substrate.

I tried it your way at the beginning, but I quickly switched to my, since it?s more convenient, faster and yield a more uniform substrate.

But if you do well with your technique(and you obviously do) then stick to it.

BTW, it?s not me, who first had the idea of mixing the substrate this way. I first saw it in the Fast Food of the Gods Teq, it says

Quote: ...The idea is to coat the wet vermiculite particles with the dry powder as you stir the mix with the spatula. This sounds trivial but it makes all the difference...

The teq itself didnt work for me, but the mixing of substrate is first class.


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Re: Over Packing the Jars?????? [Re: Anno]
    #27174 - 08/05/00 12:16 PM (23 years, 8 months ago)

With 1/2c vermiculite, less than 1/4c water, and 1/4c birdseed flour I find that when mixing 1 half-pint jar's worth there is always some left over. I don't tamp or pack it in AT ALL... just spoon it in light and fluffy-like.

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